| Refereeing News 16:02 - Jan 18 with 3506 views | PinnerPaul |
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"Breaking news. At the FIFA World Club Championship IFAB have agreed that the referees will wear microphones and be audible to the crowd. and TV audience so that decisions can be explained.
Also, the World Cup strict timekeeping leading to much more added time is to be adopted in all football going forward."
Discuss!
1) Will last about a month if widely adopted
2) Difficult for Howard Webb/PL/EFL/FA to ignore if it does indeed become an official edict from IFAB. |  | | |  |
| Refereeing News on 16:03 - Jan 18 with 3002 views | Northernr |
Anything that increases the creep of VAR is bad.
Anything that actually tackles the gamesmanship and clock running is good. |  | | |
| Refereeing News on 16:08 - Jan 18 with 2960 views | PinnerPaul |
| Refereeing News on 16:03 - Jan 18 by Northernr |
Anything that increases the creep of VAR is bad.
Anything that actually tackles the gamesmanship and clock running is good. |
Totally agree, but as we both know 'real life' will get in the way here and confusion and chaos will ensue!
Like those innocent souls who thought VAR would remove all arguments, there are those who think their blood pressure will be eased and they will come to love referees if they can hear what they say - hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Will be interesting to see if the communication is "open" - ie everything is audible or if someone - Referee?, 4th?, VAR?, Broadcaster? decides who can hear what! | | | |
| Refereeing News on 16:27 - Jan 18 with 2882 views | Juzzie |
I think with VAR many, myself included, thought it was going to be an automated unit much like goal-line technology. Once it became apparent (which took a while) that it was actually just a bunch of people looking at TV screens all with a set of different opinions, it was realised it doesn't work.
Not sure how explaining anything will help, more likely will just be a tool to justify continuation of VAR and the ref will be the one everyone will boo at when something is explained that won't be to the liking of whichever side it goes against.
I always thought that technology would take the pressure off the ref for once but it's come full circle and I think it's going to put even more pressure on them than before.
The World Cup style of timekeeping is a good thing but yes, could cause complications for people getting home. Arsenal fans will effectively be leaving the Emirates 20 mins before the final whistle.
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| Refereeing News on 16:30 - Jan 18 with 2855 views | PinnerPaul |
| Refereeing News on 16:27 - Jan 18 by Juzzie |
I think with VAR many, myself included, thought it was going to be an automated unit much like goal-line technology. Once it became apparent (which took a while) that it was actually just a bunch of people looking at TV screens all with a set of different opinions, it was realised it doesn't work.
Not sure how explaining anything will help, more likely will just be a tool to justify continuation of VAR and the ref will be the one everyone will boo at when something is explained that won't be to the liking of whichever side it goes against.
I always thought that technology would take the pressure off the ref for once but it's come full circle and I think it's going to put even more pressure on them than before.
The World Cup style of timekeeping is a good thing but yes, could cause complications for people getting home. Arsenal fans will effectively be leaving the Emirates 20 mins before the final whistle.
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Thanks Juzzie - very well put on the VAR side of things. | | | |
| Refereeing News on 16:37 - Jan 18 with 2825 views | QPRSteve |
I can just imagine all the effing and blinding it will pick up from the players! | | | |
| Refereeing News on 16:39 - Jan 18 with 2821 views | PinnerPaul |
| Refereeing News on 16:37 - Jan 18 by QPRSteve |
I can just imagine all the effing and blinding it will pick up from the players! |
Quite right Steve.
"Why wasn't he sent off for that?" etc etc etc - it'll never catch on/work! | | | |
| Refereeing News on 09:13 - Jan 19 with 2458 views | PinnerPaul |
For Clive and the few other nerds on here 
The full press release on possible "improvements" to the laws next season and beyond
https://www.theifab.com/news/ifab-annual-business-meeting-supports-recommendatio
Interesting observation from a fellow referee. When he went to Twickenham and the audio was available for VAR discussions, he could only listen if he rented the appropriate ear piece! That idea will go down a storm here if introduced! | | | |
| Refereeing News on 09:39 - Jan 19 with 2414 views | DavieQPR |
Even now the refs are taking lessons from station announcers. |  | | |
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| Refereeing News on 09:56 - Jan 19 with 2367 views | WokingR |
1) Will last about a month if widely adopted
The same as every other instruction they pass down.
Couple of years ago they were going to clamp down on kicking the ball away and it was made an automatic yellow card. Now they just throw the ball away or walk off carrying it instead with no punishment.
Wasn't shirt pulling made an automatic yellow card too ? You still get the free kick but it seems 50/50 whether the yellow card comes with it. |  | | |
| Refereeing News on 10:38 - Jan 19 with 2310 views | PinnerPaul |
| Refereeing News on 09:56 - Jan 19 by WokingR |
1) Will last about a month if widely adopted
The same as every other instruction they pass down.
Couple of years ago they were going to clamp down on kicking the ball away and it was made an automatic yellow card. Now they just throw the ball away or walk off carrying it instead with no punishment.
Wasn't shirt pulling made an automatic yellow card too ? You still get the free kick but it seems 50/50 whether the yellow card comes with it. |
Point with all these 'clamp downs' is that the laws are already in place to deal with the issues.
Doesn't have to be an "automatic" yellow card edict, just apply the laws.
Problem is, as I keep saying, FIFA, FA and most competitions, ie the clubs, don't want players sent off. We saw it at the "excellently refereed" world Cup - yellow card offences and some reds routinely ignored.
In a way its understandable, the ref who gave out all the cards in the Neth/Arg SF widely condemned for being "card happy" and "losing control" | | | |
| Refereeing News on 11:09 - Jan 19 with 2267 views | EastR |
| Refereeing News on 16:30 - Jan 18 by PinnerPaul |
Thanks Juzzie - very well put on the VAR side of things. |
If they're going to persevere with VAR they need to put a time limit on the review.
It's supposed to be for 'clear and obvious' infringements/decisions, they don't need to be poured over relentlessly | |
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| Refereeing News on 11:23 - Jan 19 with 2245 views | swisscottage |
My understanding is there are the same rules for Women's football.
And yet when watching the Women's Euros it is a stark contrast to men's football,. Any whiff of dissent - booking, any whiff of shousery, clamped down on, shirt pulling straight booking, preventing free kicks booking. Because it's consistent and the players know they can't get away with stuff, they just don't do it. It made the game flow so much better, so I can't understand why the referees in the men's game are so scared of reffing in that fashion. | | | |
| Refereeing News on 12:16 - Jan 19 with 2190 views | GloryHunter |
This has the potential to be very entertaining, with pantomime-style exchanges between the crowd and the ref.
Ref: Offside.
Crowd: Oh no he wasn't.
Ref: Oh yes he was.
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| Refereeing News on 12:42 - Jan 19 with 2122 views | WokingR |
| Refereeing News on 10:38 - Jan 19 by PinnerPaul |
Point with all these 'clamp downs' is that the laws are already in place to deal with the issues.
Doesn't have to be an "automatic" yellow card edict, just apply the laws.
Problem is, as I keep saying, FIFA, FA and most competitions, ie the clubs, don't want players sent off. We saw it at the "excellently refereed" world Cup - yellow card offences and some reds routinely ignored.
In a way its understandable, the ref who gave out all the cards in the Neth/Arg SF widely condemned for being "card happy" and "losing control" |
But if they insist on calling them 'Laws' then they are there to be applied.
It's not up to any referee to decide if he/she thinks they should be applied in any given circumstance. If the law says a certain offence is a yellow or red card then it should be given. This is why fans get so frustrated with the lack of consistency. | | | |
| Refereeing News on 13:02 - Jan 19 with 2074 views | ngbqpr |
I hate it when the rugby tvvats go on about their alleged superiority with all this stuff - but was just wondering, Pinner, if you know if the "only the captain can talk to the ref" thing had ever been considered?
The 'deliberately standing in front of the ball to stop a free kick being taken and getting away with it (unless you're Peter Crouch at Crewe playing in a relegation six pointer for QPR)' is one that really does my head in too. |  |
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| Refereeing News on 13:13 - Jan 19 with 2052 views | stowmarketrange |
| Refereeing News on 11:23 - Jan 19 by swisscottage |
My understanding is there are the same rules for Women's football.
And yet when watching the Women's Euros it is a stark contrast to men's football,. Any whiff of dissent - booking, any whiff of shousery, clamped down on, shirt pulling straight booking, preventing free kicks booking. Because it's consistent and the players know they can't get away with stuff, they just don't do it. It made the game flow so much better, so I can't understand why the referees in the men's game are so scared of reffing in that fashion. |
Normally I’d agree with you,but England spent the last 5 mins of the final against Germany trying to waste time by the corner flag.Not that I was complying much,but that is the only time I’d witnessed it happening in women’s football,so far.
A slightly funny incident occurred last Sunday during my daughter’s Suffolk county cup match while I was linesman.The opposition were 5-0 up with a few minutes to go when one of their players went down with an injury.The trainer picks up her kit bag and ambles onto the pitch to treat her.”Slow down” says their manager a few feet away from me.I told that he didn’t really need to waste time as we wouldn’t score 1 goal,let alone 5.”No” he says,”She’s pregnant and shouldn’t be running.”
All their subs fell about laughing as I tried to shuffle away quietly. |  | | |
| Refereeing News on 13:39 - Jan 19 with 2000 views | Juzzie |
Clubs don't want players sent off as it costs them so much money while they are suspended. Felix getting sent off will cost Chelsea (ha ha!) £1.2m. | | | |
| Refereeing News on 14:02 - Jan 19 with 1936 views | CamberleyR |
| Refereeing News on 16:37 - Jan 18 by QPRSteve |
I can just imagine all the effing and blinding it will pick up from the players! |
Yeah, the Sky commentators every couple of minutes will be saying 'apologies if you heard any bad language' like they do now when something is picked up from the crowd. |  |
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| Refereeing News on 15:20 - Jan 19 with 1869 views | kensalriser |
| Refereeing News on 13:02 - Jan 19 by ngbqpr |
I hate it when the rugby tvvats go on about their alleged superiority with all this stuff - but was just wondering, Pinner, if you know if the "only the captain can talk to the ref" thing had ever been considered?
The 'deliberately standing in front of the ball to stop a free kick being taken and getting away with it (unless you're Peter Crouch at Crewe playing in a relegation six pointer for QPR)' is one that really does my head in too. |
Actually I thought the second was obligatory, especially if you've picked up the ball. |  |
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| Refereeing News on 17:30 - Jan 19 with 1773 views | PinnerPaul |
| Refereeing News on 12:42 - Jan 19 by WokingR |
But if they insist on calling them 'Laws' then they are there to be applied.
It's not up to any referee to decide if he/she thinks they should be applied in any given circumstance. If the law says a certain offence is a yellow or red card then it should be given. This is why fans get so frustrated with the lack of consistency. |
You tell the clubs that! | | | |
| Refereeing News on 17:32 - Jan 19 with 1752 views | PinnerPaul |
| Refereeing News on 13:02 - Jan 19 by ngbqpr |
I hate it when the rugby tvvats go on about their alleged superiority with all this stuff - but was just wondering, Pinner, if you know if the "only the captain can talk to the ref" thing had ever been considered?
The 'deliberately standing in front of the ball to stop a free kick being taken and getting away with it (unless you're Peter Crouch at Crewe playing in a relegation six pointer for QPR)' is one that really does my head in too. |
Its sort of unofficially adopted at lower levels.
Pre match, refs will often say to captains, "Work with me" etc
As I said above if "football" wanted it, then dissent is punishable now, but no one does - certainly not at the top. | | | |
| Refereeing News on 17:42 - Jan 19 with 1724 views | stowmarketrange |
| Refereeing News on 17:32 - Jan 19 by PinnerPaul |
Its sort of unofficially adopted at lower levels.
Pre match, refs will often say to captains, "Work with me" etc
As I said above if "football" wanted it, then dissent is punishable now, but no one does - certainly not at the top. |
Has the law about moving free kicks forward for dissent been abolished PP? | | | |
| Refereeing News on 18:42 - Jan 19 with 1678 views | stevenagehoop |
| Refereeing News on 17:32 - Jan 19 by PinnerPaul |
Its sort of unofficially adopted at lower levels.
Pre match, refs will often say to captains, "Work with me" etc
As I said above if "football" wanted it, then dissent is punishable now, but no one does - certainly not at the top. |
Dissent. Notwithstanding the laws refs are human and as such have different tolerance levels - what may be acceptable to one may not be to another - some can rule by mouth others have to rely on the card system both can leave them open to criticism from those watching on.bWhat is important is a consistent approach during the game.
Industrial language is now more acceptable in workforce places whether you agree with its use or not - society in general allows its use where in the past it was not so.
As you have said before there has always been sanctions that deal with the issues it’s just how they are enforced consistently that matters. [Post edited 19 Jan 2023 20:22]
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| Refereeing News on 09:07 - Jan 20 with 1535 views | WokingR |
| Refereeing News on 17:30 - Jan 19 by PinnerPaul |
You tell the clubs that! |
Isn't that the point though ?
All the while they think they can get away with it, they will continue to do so.
It will only take a couple of weeks of cracking down, cards being properly issued and suspensions to kick in before they stopped. | | | |
| Refereeing News on 09:55 - Jan 20 with 1482 views | terryb |
| Refereeing News on 17:42 - Jan 19 by stowmarketrange |
Has the law about moving free kicks forward for dissent been abolished PP? |
I think that ended after one or two seasons Stow.
Personally, I'd prefer that referees issued cautions to the players that stand in front of the ball rather than bring it back.
Delaying the free kick isn't even so relevent now that nearly every one ends up with a five yard square or backward pass! | | | |
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