| Burnley 18:28 - Mar 12 with 2664 views | STID2017 |
Just 14 points from promotion
In fairness the outstanding side this season |  |
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| Burnley on 18:32 - Mar 12 with 2244 views | builthjack |
Connor Roberts in line for player of the season for them.
£2.6 million. Scandalous. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Burnley on 18:32 - Mar 12 with 2239 views | max936 |
I'll return your in fairness, with most of the squad played in the premier league with Burnley. |  |
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| Burnley on 19:00 - Mar 12 with 2210 views | builthjack |
| Burnley on 18:32 - Mar 12 by max936 |
I'll return your in fairness, with most of the squad played in the premier league with Burnley. |
People forget that we sold all our Premier league players, and anyone that came good since. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 21:12]
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| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Burnley on 19:01 - Mar 12 with 2209 views | STID2017 |
| Burnley on 18:32 - Mar 12 by max936 |
I'll return your in fairness, with most of the squad played in the premier league with Burnley. |
True.
Lots of sides have come down with strong squads and not bounced back in such style though | |
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| Burnley on 19:07 - Mar 12 with 2192 views | onehunglow |
| Burnley on 18:32 - Mar 12 by builthjack |
Connor Roberts in line for player of the season for them.
£2.6 million. Scandalous. |
Fair point.
Great pro we nowhere near replaced .
It’s rather sick to see those that play where he did though not as he did |  |
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| Burnley on 19:09 - Mar 12 with 2200 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Burnley on 18:32 - Mar 12 by builthjack |
Connor Roberts in line for player of the season for them.
£2.6 million. Scandalous. |
Post Covid the market for players like Connor collapsed. Swansea got Obafemi for £1.5m (not withstanding his discipline issues) who is a very talented footballer. Moore ad Jamal Lowe fall into this bracket £2- £3m. CR17 is better to them but is proving it on a monthly basis and had to fight for his place.
Rodon and Downes were excellent business but the collapse of this market is a very serious
problem for Marsh . Silverstein and Levien as heir business model has trading under cotract players as a key feature. They wanted rock solid no lose bargains in January and could not find any. Fisher and Darling have struggled and not justified their £2m combined fee.
CR was roundly criticised on here for barking aggressively at his colleagues. You do not see that with this Swansea team.
The new Swansea model might have to limit all signings to under 18 year old's (Dan James Mcburnie) or talented players struggling to get any game time and opportunity (Goykeres). I suggested the three Cardiff players in this bracket. Harris Davies and Colwill. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 19:13]
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| Burnley on 19:14 - Mar 12 with 2178 views | magicdaps10 |
| Burnley on 19:09 - Mar 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Post Covid the market for players like Connor collapsed. Swansea got Obafemi for £1.5m (not withstanding his discipline issues) who is a very talented footballer. Moore ad Jamal Lowe fall into this bracket £2- £3m. CR17 is better to them but is proving it on a monthly basis and had to fight for his place.
Rodon and Downes were excellent business but the collapse of this market is a very serious
problem for Marsh . Silverstein and Levien as heir business model has trading under cotract players as a key feature. They wanted rock solid no lose bargains in January and could not find any. Fisher and Darling have struggled and not justified their £2m combined fee.
CR was roundly criticised on here for barking aggressively at his colleagues. You do not see that with this Swansea team.
The new Swansea model might have to limit all signings to under 18 year old's (Dan James Mcburnie) or talented players struggling to get any game time and opportunity (Goykeres). I suggested the three Cardiff players in this bracket. Harris Davies and Colwill. [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 19:13]
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If we have any true hope on getting things back on track, we need to be looking at the foreign market, obviously the one within our budget as Burnley have done very successful......we need to be keen as mustard on the free agent scene.
We also need to be looking at young potential within this country and again free agent ones.
Our whole recruitment since the Americans have taken over has been mainly very poor and on times more a case of desperation rather than being well planned out. |  |
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| Burnley on 19:30 - Mar 12 with 2155 views | vetchonian |
| Burnley on 19:14 - Mar 12 by magicdaps10 |
If we have any true hope on getting things back on track, we need to be looking at the foreign market, obviously the one within our budget as Burnley have done very successful......we need to be keen as mustard on the free agent scene.
We also need to be looking at young potential within this country and again free agent ones.
Our whole recruitment since the Americans have taken over has been mainly very poor and on times more a case of desperation rather than being well planned out. |
Why balme the Americans for recruitment we have had "recruitment" teams in place
Andy Scott
Then Allen but it seems ok to balme the ownership......did they select Fisher, Sorinola, Paterson or Darling? | |
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| Burnley on 19:56 - Mar 12 with 2136 views | magicdaps10 |
| Burnley on 19:30 - Mar 12 by vetchonian |
Why balme the Americans for recruitment we have had "recruitment" teams in place
Andy Scott
Then Allen but it seems ok to balme the ownership......did they select Fisher, Sorinola, Paterson or Darling? |
Did they select Clucas, Asoro and so on! No they didn't! but they are the guys who are at the top and recruit these people who deserve part of the blame.
It's been a recurring theme since they took over in 2016, recruitment has been poor with whomever was in the recruitment side or manager since 2016.
We call for learning, we call on learning from our mistakes........you can see why these mistakes are happening when it's been happening from the top since 2016.
4 players is a small percentage in the grand scheme of things that has led us to where we are today. | |
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| Burnley on 20:34 - Mar 12 with 2101 views | Whiterockin |
| Burnley on 19:30 - Mar 12 by vetchonian |
Why balme the Americans for recruitment we have had "recruitment" teams in place
Andy Scott
Then Allen but it seems ok to balme the ownership......did they select Fisher, Sorinola, Paterson or Darling? |
In any organisation the blame and responsibility goes all the way to the top. They employed the person who employed, the person who employed and so on. The blame may go down the line but the buck stops at the top. |  | | |
| Burnley on 22:20 - Mar 12 with 2037 views | max936 |
| Burnley on 20:34 - Mar 12 by Whiterockin |
In any organisation the blame and responsibility goes all the way to the top. They employed the person who employed, the person who employed and so on. The blame may go down the line but the buck stops at the top. |
This, all day everyday and twice on Sunday. | |
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| Burnley on 22:27 - Mar 12 with 2028 views | builthjack |
| Burnley on 20:34 - Mar 12 by Whiterockin |
In any organisation the blame and responsibility goes all the way to the top. They employed the person who employed, the person who employed and so on. The blame may go down the line but the buck stops at the top. |
Correct. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Burnley on 22:36 - Mar 12 with 2023 views | magicdaps10 |
| Burnley on 20:34 - Mar 12 by Whiterockin |
In any organisation the blame and responsibility goes all the way to the top. They employed the person who employed, the person who employed and so on. The blame may go down the line but the buck stops at the top. |
Of course it is.
I think this is the reason why Martin is not having as much stick as he should be, it's because most know the yanks are a crock pot of shiit and ultimately we will still likely be in the same mess after Martin goes.
Wait until the end of the season, spend a few weeks of uncertainty and silly games, Martin eventually goes with no plan in place, spend a few weeks looking at managers and scrambling for one, lose out on numerous players and then play catch up during pre season and the lead up to the transfer window.
Yep, let's wait for the end of the season because we have time on our side ðŸ‘
We were writing his papers up in October but now it's logical to wait until the end of the season to get rid. Trying to be clever really isn't a good look at all. | |
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| Burnley on 03:05 - Mar 13 with 1983 views | STID2017 |
| Burnley on 22:36 - Mar 12 by magicdaps10 |
Of course it is.
I think this is the reason why Martin is not having as much stick as he should be, it's because most know the yanks are a crock pot of shiit and ultimately we will still likely be in the same mess after Martin goes.
Wait until the end of the season, spend a few weeks of uncertainty and silly games, Martin eventually goes with no plan in place, spend a few weeks looking at managers and scrambling for one, lose out on numerous players and then play catch up during pre season and the lead up to the transfer window.
Yep, let's wait for the end of the season because we have time on our side ðŸ‘
We were writing his papers up in October but now it's logical to wait until the end of the season to get rid. Trying to be clever really isn't a good look at all. |
I thought apparently according to one clever sage on here, the appointment of a competent manager was going to see us flying up the league.
Yet the same clever sage agrees with the owners stance ( who by the way have invested heavily apparently) to do nothing until the end of the season
Whether Martin stays or goes, next season will be a worrying one under these owners | |
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| Burnley on 06:53 - Mar 13 with 1966 views | pete |
| Burnley on 19:30 - Mar 12 by vetchonian |
Why balme the Americans for recruitment we have had "recruitment" teams in place
Andy Scott
Then Allen but it seems ok to balme the ownership......did they select Fisher, Sorinola, Paterson or Darling? |
Because its them who pulled the plug on deals made by those people you have named along with others, they are the ones who get involved with who is bought and sold there is no question they are to blame , even the Q E O they brought in is not the guy he should be what has HE said about it all ? NOTHING,
In all honesty they, the hedge fund people they are do not give a rats a---se for the club, nor supporters their record proves it am sorry to say | | | |
| Burnley on 09:12 - Mar 13 with 1927 views | vetchonian |
| Burnley on 03:05 - Mar 13 by STID2017 |
I thought apparently according to one clever sage on here, the appointment of a competent manager was going to see us flying up the league.
Yet the same clever sage agrees with the owners stance ( who by the way have invested heavily apparently) to do nothing until the end of the season
Whether Martin stays or goes, next season will be a worrying one under these owners |
SO a change of manager cannot change the fortunes of a club?
Look at Forest struggling sat the foot of the table then a new manager took them on to win the play off final and into the Premier league all without a preseason or input into players
This season Middlesborough the team who beat us Saturday again were languishing at the foot of the table before a rookie manager came in and look at where they are now.
Stop this crap Martin is a failure many of us pointed this out long ago now those who clung to him are doing all they can to deflect and attack again those who called it right
The owners we have are not perfect.but they are what we have they have got much wrong they have put monies into the club to keep us afloat and supported MArtin in the transfer market
Downes,Paterson, Ethan Laird, Cyrus Chrisite, Wolf,Fisher,Wood,Darling , Sorinola plus the other loanees..
Prior to MArtin we finished 10th, then 6th then 4th in th league under these owners .
The reason some think it is right to o nothing until the close season is down to funds sackong MArtin et al will have a financial burden it will be less come the summer also who will take over...we have no one these days like a Tate ( forced out by Russy) Curt or similar to take the reins in the interim and so it maybe best to wait until more choice is available come the summer maybe Luke WIlliams could be persauded to return should Notts County not get promoted...
Why should next season be any more worrying than thise prior to MArtins arrival under these owners [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 9:16]
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| Burnley on 10:42 - Mar 13 with 1884 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Burnley on 09:12 - Mar 13 by vetchonian |
SO a change of manager cannot change the fortunes of a club?
Look at Forest struggling sat the foot of the table then a new manager took them on to win the play off final and into the Premier league all without a preseason or input into players
This season Middlesborough the team who beat us Saturday again were languishing at the foot of the table before a rookie manager came in and look at where they are now.
Stop this crap Martin is a failure many of us pointed this out long ago now those who clung to him are doing all they can to deflect and attack again those who called it right
The owners we have are not perfect.but they are what we have they have got much wrong they have put monies into the club to keep us afloat and supported MArtin in the transfer market
Downes,Paterson, Ethan Laird, Cyrus Chrisite, Wolf,Fisher,Wood,Darling , Sorinola plus the other loanees..
Prior to MArtin we finished 10th, then 6th then 4th in th league under these owners .
The reason some think it is right to o nothing until the close season is down to funds sackong MArtin et al will have a financial burden it will be less come the summer also who will take over...we have no one these days like a Tate ( forced out by Russy) Curt or similar to take the reins in the interim and so it maybe best to wait until more choice is available come the summer maybe Luke WIlliams could be persauded to return should Notts County not get promoted...
Why should next season be any more worrying than thise prior to MArtins arrival under these owners [Post edited 13 Mar 2023 9:16]
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| Burnley on 11:37 - Mar 13 with 1869 views | Badlands |
| Burnley on 19:14 - Mar 12 by magicdaps10 |
If we have any true hope on getting things back on track, we need to be looking at the foreign market, obviously the one within our budget as Burnley have done very successful......we need to be keen as mustard on the free agent scene.
We also need to be looking at young potential within this country and again free agent ones.
Our whole recruitment since the Americans have taken over has been mainly very poor and on times more a case of desperation rather than being well planned out. |
We've overpaid for players since Bayram became persona non grata. One of the reasons for the sale was the shareholders realised we were heading for financial meltdown and we had to sell players when we were relegated was because the CEO had lost control of the finances.
Burnley, while spending c£80 million in two seasons also came close to bankruptcy and are currently in the EFL bad books.
We might have afforded better players had we matched Burnley' season ticket prices …
Burnley popular stand £590
Swansea popular stand £322
Allowing for variations on pricing (senior, youth etc) their income would have been close to £3,000,000 more than ours. |  |
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| Burnley on 14:24 - Mar 13 with 1802 views | vetchonian |
| Burnley on 11:37 - Mar 13 by Badlands |
We've overpaid for players since Bayram became persona non grata. One of the reasons for the sale was the shareholders realised we were heading for financial meltdown and we had to sell players when we were relegated was because the CEO had lost control of the finances.
Burnley, while spending c£80 million in two seasons also came close to bankruptcy and are currently in the EFL bad books.
We might have afforded better players had we matched Burnley' season ticket prices …
Burnley popular stand £590
Swansea popular stand £322
Allowing for variations on pricing (senior, youth etc) their income would have been close to £3,000,000 more than ours. |
With the poll indicating over 60% of current season ticket holders will not be renewing things will only get worse on the recruitment front with even less monies coming into the club....and thats before we have lower prices than our competitors so they are all in a better place to offer players more!
But aits all down to tightwads of owners | |
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| Burnley on 14:54 - Mar 13 with 1763 views | pencoedjack |
| Burnley on 14:24 - Mar 13 by vetchonian |
With the poll indicating over 60% of current season ticket holders will not be renewing things will only get worse on the recruitment front with even less monies coming into the club....and thats before we have lower prices than our competitors so they are all in a better place to offer players more!
But aits all down to tightwads of owners |
I have seen far tighter owners than this lot over the years & I'm not renewing, my reasons are entirely down to the manager.
He hasn't even used the loan market well.
Back to Burnley, Kompany has done an excellent job as has Carrick at Boro.
Jones/Edwards at Luton, Rowett at Millwall, Tommasson at Blackburn have all done well at their respective clubs with small budgets (probably smaller than ours).
Martin is a stick of rock with a bell on top anyone who thinks otherwise knows very little about football.
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| Burnley on 15:04 - Mar 13 with 1747 views | vetchonian |
| Burnley on 14:54 - Mar 13 by pencoedjack |
I have seen far tighter owners than this lot over the years & I'm not renewing, my reasons are entirely down to the manager.
He hasn't even used the loan market well.
Back to Burnley, Kompany has done an excellent job as has Carrick at Boro.
Jones/Edwards at Luton, Rowett at Millwall, Tommasson at Blackburn have all done well at their respective clubs with small budgets (probably smaller than ours).
Martin is a stick of rock with a bell on top anyone who thinks otherwise knows very little about football.
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I've said the same for over a year but many on here shouted me down, understand your frustration with Martin and I thought long and hard before renewing....the issue without monies it makes it harder for the owners as "crap" as they are made out to be....
I suspect its finances that are delaying the sacking of Martin the man who is killing our club | |
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| Burnley on 15:29 - Mar 13 with 1726 views | Badlands |
| Burnley on 14:24 - Mar 13 by vetchonian |
With the poll indicating over 60% of current season ticket holders will not be renewing things will only get worse on the recruitment front with even less monies coming into the club....and thats before we have lower prices than our competitors so they are all in a better place to offer players more!
But aits all down to tightwads of owners |
So a group that has lost c£30 million on the share purchase and put in £16,000,000 (one way or another) are tightwads but it's ok than 60% of ST holders will not pay £30 less than a National League side and almost £300 less than QPR to renew and support Swansea City!
With supporters like than we deserve to be in the lower leagues. | |
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| Burnley on 15:38 - Mar 13 with 1722 views | vetchonian |
| Burnley on 15:29 - Mar 13 by Badlands |
So a group that has lost c£30 million on the share purchase and put in £16,000,000 (one way or another) are tightwads but it's ok than 60% of ST holders will not pay £30 less than a National League side and almost £300 less than QPR to renew and support Swansea City!
With supporters like than we deserve to be in the lower leagues. |
You need to read my post properly and take it in context with others I have posted about the owners
I do not believe the owners are tightwads my comment was to those who keep calling the owners as such blaming them for Martin's shortcomings
I agree ST holders not renewing given the terrific value of the price of our ticket..but do understand the rationale behind some of our fans not wishing to renew whilst we are served up the garbage from Martin and no signs of his dismissal | |
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| Burnley on 15:48 - Mar 13 with 1705 views | pencoedjack |
| Burnley on 15:29 - Mar 13 by Badlands |
So a group that has lost c£30 million on the share purchase and put in £16,000,000 (one way or another) are tightwads but it's ok than 60% of ST holders will not pay £30 less than a National League side and almost £300 less than QPR to renew and support Swansea City!
With supporters like than we deserve to be in the lower leagues. |
I have followed the Swans for around 40 years (30 years a ST holder) done over 60 different away grounds, until this season I could count on 1 hand the home games I missed.
If that is the type supporters you talk of then you should be a bit worried. | | | |
| Burnley on 12:34 - Mar 14 with 1513 views | theloneranger |
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