| Ricky Jones on 15:00 - Aug 15 with 1475 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Ricky Jones on 14:49 - Aug 15 by AnotherJohn |
I seem to remember some posters saying that although Mr Jones had been released on bail, he would not in reality have an easier ride as his crown court trial would see justice delivered. I suppose there is no accounting for jury verdicts, but to me Jones' crime was more clear cut than Connolly's X post. |
The UK ha s always been very tough on rioting.Thia is seen throughout our Welsh history. Rioting leads to very rough sentencing.
Incitement to riot is also a crime and with social media people can cause other people a lot of problems. Lucy is the unlucky one. She was made an example of. It serves the purpose to warn other not to inflame dynamic situations.
This fellow seems as if he has been lucky and spoke about riots as I understand it. Bob Vylan who had a number of reasonable mitigations for his intolerant speech..
The law earlier this year were instructed to give lower sentences to BAME criminals to mitigate a perception that this community was discriminated against in general. [Post edited 15 Aug 15:10]
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| Ricky Jones on 16:21 - Aug 15 with 1410 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Ricky Jones on 14:49 - Aug 15 by AnotherJohn |
I seem to remember some posters saying that although Mr Jones had been released on bail, he would not in reality have an easier ride as his crown court trial would see justice delivered. I suppose there is no accounting for jury verdicts, but to me Jones' crime was more clear cut than Connolly's X post. |
Which leads me to question who the hell advised her to plead guilty? And why?
I know they were told on a not guilty plea they would then be held in remand until the trial which could be a long time. Would this have influenced them all to plead guilty? |  |
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| Ricky Jones on 17:29 - Aug 15 with 1364 views | Dr_Winston |
| Ricky Jones on 16:21 - Aug 15 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Which leads me to question who the hell advised her to plead guilty? And why?
I know they were told on a not guilty plea they would then be held in remand until the trial which could be a long time. Would this have influenced them all to plead guilty? |
Generally a guilty plea results in a more lenient sentence. Connolly was obviously not expecting a politically motivated judge handing down the dictat of a vengeful Government.
Ricky Jones played the system and got what he wanted. Obviously he's guilty as sin but that's the country we have at the moment. |  |
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| Ricky Jones on 17:59 - Aug 15 with 1329 views | Boundy |
| Ricky Jones on 17:29 - Aug 15 by Dr_Winston |
Generally a guilty plea results in a more lenient sentence. Connolly was obviously not expecting a politically motivated judge handing down the dictat of a vengeful Government.
Ricky Jones played the system and got what he wanted. Obviously he's guilty as sin but that's the country we have at the moment. |
You have to wonder how much more the people are going to accept , not allowed to protest,afraid to have a verbal opinion which doesn't align with the police/government, the absolute urine being extracted from the taxpayer and to cap it the money being spent on the illegals who seem to have carte blanch to do what they want ably assisted by the very people in charge who swore an oath to protect this country. |  |
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| Ricky Jones on 18:11 - Aug 15 with 1316 views | shingle |
| Ricky Jones on 00:52 - Sep 7 by majorraglan |
If you took the time to understand how the criminal justice system works you’d see that there aren’t double standards at play here. There’s a glaring difference between this case and the other cases where people have been imprisoned for their part in the disorder.
Everyone who’s been sent down has pleaded guilty to the offence with which they were charged, doing so enables them to get the biggest discount on the sentence because of their Guilty plea. Ricky Jones is contesting the allegation and has pleaded not guilty - you can’t sentence someone if they haven’t pleaded guilty or been found guilty.
He was Charged, appeared at Magistrates Court where he was remanded in Custody until today. He appeared in Court today, pleaded Not Guilty and was remanded back in Court story pending trial. If convicted this guy will get more porridge than the others because he won’t get the discount for an early guilty plea. |
Yep a simple case of his lawyers giving him proper advice on how to plea and the likes of Lucy Connelly having Lawyers who are not very good at what they do hence giving her the wrong advice if she had her case dealt with by a jury then she would have proberbly been found not guilty as well | | | |
| Ricky Jones on 18:17 - Aug 15 with 1307 views | Dr_Winston |
| Ricky Jones on 17:59 - Aug 15 by Boundy |
You have to wonder how much more the people are going to accept , not allowed to protest,afraid to have a verbal opinion which doesn't align with the police/government, the absolute urine being extracted from the taxpayer and to cap it the money being spent on the illegals who seem to have carte blanch to do what they want ably assisted by the very people in charge who swore an oath to protect this country. |
I think the predictions of civil war are a bit overblown but I wouldn't be remotely surprised by a consistent low level of acts of domestic terrorism, targeted assassinations, stuff like that. [Post edited 15 Aug 18:34]
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| Ricky Jones on 19:08 - Aug 15 with 1282 views | Boundy |
| Ricky Jones on 18:17 - Aug 15 by Dr_Winston |
I think the predictions of civil war are a bit overblown but I wouldn't be remotely surprised by a consistent low level of acts of domestic terrorism, targeted assassinations, stuff like that. [Post edited 15 Aug 18:34]
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God forbid a civil war but you can only push people so far so maybe your right in thinking that civil disobedience in other forms could take place I suppose.
Acts like Labour run Birmingham council are removing union flags from lamp posts ,put up by the public but then adorn the council offices with a light show in Pakistani colours to celebrate their independence from India, some thing is so very wrong if the powers to be think that's acceptable . | |
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| Ricky Jones on 19:16 - Aug 15 with 1278 views | Scotia |
| Ricky Jones on 17:59 - Aug 15 by Boundy |
You have to wonder how much more the people are going to accept , not allowed to protest,afraid to have a verbal opinion which doesn't align with the police/government, the absolute urine being extracted from the taxpayer and to cap it the money being spent on the illegals who seem to have carte blanch to do what they want ably assisted by the very people in charge who swore an oath to protect this country. |
The people found him not guilty. | | | |
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| Ricky Jones on 21:29 - Aug 15 with 1236 views | Boundy |
| Ricky Jones on 19:16 - Aug 15 by Scotia |
The people found him not guilty. |
I know ,I can read.Maybe questions should be asked about the selection process for this trial. | |
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| Ricky Jones on 21:42 - Aug 15 with 1227 views | controversial_jack |
| Ricky Jones on 21:29 - Aug 15 by Boundy |
I know ,I can read.Maybe questions should be asked about the selection process for this trial. |
Jurors are selected randomly by computer from the electoral roll. Yes, some can be objected to, but the system is foolproof | | | |
| Ricky Jones (n/t) on 22:07 - Aug 15 with 1205 views | howenjack |
| Ricky Jones on 19:08 - Aug 15 by Boundy |
God forbid a civil war but you can only push people so far so maybe your right in thinking that civil disobedience in other forms could take place I suppose.
Acts like Labour run Birmingham council are removing union flags from lamp posts ,put up by the public but then adorn the council offices with a light show in Pakistani colours to celebrate their independence from India, some thing is so very wrong if the powers to be think that's acceptable . |
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15003113/Fury-Labour-run-council-tears- [Post edited 15 Aug 22:09]
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| Ricky Jones on 22:14 - Aug 15 with 1184 views | Scotia |
| Ricky Jones on 21:29 - Aug 15 by Boundy |
I know ,I can read.Maybe questions should be asked about the selection process for this trial. |
Why this trial? | | | |
| Ricky Jones on 22:19 - Aug 15 with 1180 views | Dr_Winston |
| Ricky Jones on 19:08 - Aug 15 by Boundy |
God forbid a civil war but you can only push people so far so maybe your right in thinking that civil disobedience in other forms could take place I suppose.
Acts like Labour run Birmingham council are removing union flags from lamp posts ,put up by the public but then adorn the council offices with a light show in Pakistani colours to celebrate their independence from India, some thing is so very wrong if the powers to be think that's acceptable . |
It's hard to decide if it's stupidity or arrogance.
In the current climate you'd think that most large organisations would give serious thought towards whether or not to celebrate Pakistan. That Birmingham Council went ahead and did so either means that they're too stupid to realise the potential consequences, or arrogant enough to think that they can do what they want and there won't be any.
Neither possibility is particularly encouraging. | |
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| Ricky Jones on 23:21 - Aug 15 with 1149 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Ricky Jones on 19:08 - Aug 15 by Boundy |
God forbid a civil war but you can only push people so far so maybe your right in thinking that civil disobedience in other forms could take place I suppose.
Acts like Labour run Birmingham council are removing union flags from lamp posts ,put up by the public but then adorn the council offices with a light show in Pakistani colours to celebrate their independence from India, some thing is so very wrong if the powers to be think that's acceptable . |
"Push the people so far". ??. It is a well known fact that ethnic minorities statistically are much more likely to go to jail than white people. This is what the statistics tell us. The two tier argument is the wrong way around. White people ars less likely to be sent to jail.
These two particular cases paints a different picture but it is only w two cases which in either case are different. Connolly s post had ethnic overtones and this is not understood on this forum and secondly she pleaded guilty and removed her defence on front of a jury.
Agitators agitate and political people like Jenrick sees an opportunity to make a name for himself. Migrants have flooded Europe for 20 years but accommodated them under left wing Governments. Now they are on the move as Euro sentiment turns. This is the Brexit dividend.
British people opposed the RAF camps in Tenby and hotels. The only other option is dispersal. [Post edited 15 Aug 23:24]
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| Ricky Jones on 23:42 - Aug 15 with 1133 views | Boundy |
| Ricky Jones on 22:14 - Aug 15 by Scotia |
Why this trial? |
Because in case you have been stuck in the toilets for the past year the defendant was seen, recorded both verbally and visually mothing threats of violence so how was he found not guilty of the charges against him. Please don't try and play games and insinuating that its due to his colour but I'm sure you're not that sort of snake . | |
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| Ricky Jones on 07:46 - Aug 16 with 1040 views | Scotia |
| Ricky Jones on 23:42 - Aug 15 by Boundy |
Because in case you have been stuck in the toilets for the past year the defendant was seen, recorded both verbally and visually mothing threats of violence so how was he found not guilty of the charges against him. Please don't try and play games and insinuating that its due to his colour but I'm sure you're not that sort of snake . |
I suspect it's more to do with the jury seeing and hearing all of the evidence, rather than just snippets on social media, and him having a good barrister than a rigged jury. | | | |
| Ricky Jones on 15:33 - Aug 16 with 921 views | Gwyn737 |
| Ricky Jones on 07:46 - Aug 16 by Scotia |
I suspect it's more to do with the jury seeing and hearing all of the evidence, rather than just snippets on social media, and him having a good barrister than a rigged jury. |
I think that last bit is right - sadly there is two tier justice where money is involved. | | | |
| Ricky Jones on 19:51 - Aug 16 with 849 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Ricky Jones on 23:21 - Aug 15 by ReslovenSwan1 |
"Push the people so far". ??. It is a well known fact that ethnic minorities statistically are much more likely to go to jail than white people. This is what the statistics tell us. The two tier argument is the wrong way around. White people ars less likely to be sent to jail.
These two particular cases paints a different picture but it is only w two cases which in either case are different. Connolly s post had ethnic overtones and this is not understood on this forum and secondly she pleaded guilty and removed her defence on front of a jury.
Agitators agitate and political people like Jenrick sees an opportunity to make a name for himself. Migrants have flooded Europe for 20 years but accommodated them under left wing Governments. Now they are on the move as Euro sentiment turns. This is the Brexit dividend.
British people opposed the RAF camps in Tenby and hotels. The only other option is dispersal. [Post edited 15 Aug 23:24]
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The post she was charged for didn’t have “ethnic overtones”. She called for mass deportations and for the hotels to be set on fire. | |
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| Ricky Jones on 22:27 - Aug 16 with 795 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Ricky Jones on 19:51 - Aug 16 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The post she was charged for didn’t have “ethnic overtones”. She called for mass deportations and for the hotels to be set on fire. |
This is from the BBC
"In October she was jailed after admitting inciting racial hatred".
She herself admitted it. She perhaps did not realise the "racial"element was bad news for her.
Ricky did not quote "white" activists. | |
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| Ricky Jones on 15:08 - Aug 17 with 647 views | majorraglan |
We’ve seen a lot of claims about two tier justice this week, most of them coming from politicians who’re are using the case for their own ends.
The Secret Barrister has published an article concerning the Ricky Jones trial and what is likely to have taken place. It’s a lengthy read, but it looks like one of the aspects of case against Ricky Jones was proving Jones state of mind, specifically that
The person believed that violent disorder would be committed,
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The person believed that his act would encourage the commission of violent disorder.
We’ve all seen what happened, but if the Prosecution were unable to prove Jones's beliefs and his state of mind about his acts encouraging the commission of violent disorder the case is not proven. It didn’t take the jury long to acquit Jones, so they must have been pretty unanimous in their decision making. There also a useful comparison with the Lucy Connolly case.
In my opinion, Jones has got away with it due to defence strategy.
Unlike the US where there’s a huge amount of prosecution and defence scrutiny around jury selection, in the UK it’s a random selection.
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2025/08/16/why-did-the-jury-acquit-ricky-jones/
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| Ricky Jones on 09:47 - Aug 18 with 535 views | controversial_jack |
| Ricky Jones on 15:08 - Aug 17 by majorraglan |
We’ve seen a lot of claims about two tier justice this week, most of them coming from politicians who’re are using the case for their own ends.
The Secret Barrister has published an article concerning the Ricky Jones trial and what is likely to have taken place. It’s a lengthy read, but it looks like one of the aspects of case against Ricky Jones was proving Jones state of mind, specifically that
The person believed that violent disorder would be committed,
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The person believed that his act would encourage the commission of violent disorder.
We’ve all seen what happened, but if the Prosecution were unable to prove Jones's beliefs and his state of mind about his acts encouraging the commission of violent disorder the case is not proven. It didn’t take the jury long to acquit Jones, so they must have been pretty unanimous in their decision making. There also a useful comparison with the Lucy Connolly case.
In my opinion, Jones has got away with it due to defence strategy.
Unlike the US where there’s a huge amount of prosecution and defence scrutiny around jury selection, in the UK it’s a random selection.
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2025/08/16/why-did-the-jury-acquit-ricky-jones/
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Judges in the US are also appointed politically, not like that here | | | |
| Ricky Jones on 15:34 - Aug 18 with 459 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
What we are seeing is white people "playing the race card" based on two contradictory court cases. Has both been by jury both would be free irrespective of skin colour.
"Is it cos I is white" ? [Post edited 18 Aug 16:01]
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| Ricky Jones on 19:27 - Aug 18 with 400 views | majorraglan |
| Ricky Jones on 15:34 - Aug 18 by ReslovenSwan1 |
What we are seeing is white people "playing the race card" based on two contradictory court cases. Has both been by jury both would be free irrespective of skin colour.
"Is it cos I is white" ? [Post edited 18 Aug 16:01]
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I agree with your point that some people (including a number of politicians) are seeking to make political capital out of this case. I disagree with your comment about both being free had this proceeded to trial by jury. Connolly was Charged with an offence with us easier to prove and did not require the prosecution to prove intent. See Part B below. She was banged to rights hence the early guilty plea to maximise the sentencing discount.
Jones “got away with it” because the prosecution most likely failed to prove the necessary intent. As I’ve said previously, he’s a lucky guy and owes his liberty to his barrister. IMHO he’s not fit to hold public office and should be booted out.
Connolly was Charged with the below.
Publishing or distributing written material.
(1)A person who publishes or distributes written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting is guilty of an offence if—
(a)he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, OR
(b)having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Lucy-Connolly-v-The-King.pdf [Post edited 18 Aug 20:07]
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| Ricky Jones on 07:37 - Aug 19 with 303 views | AnotherJohn |
| Ricky Jones on 19:27 - Aug 18 by majorraglan |
I agree with your point that some people (including a number of politicians) are seeking to make political capital out of this case. I disagree with your comment about both being free had this proceeded to trial by jury. Connolly was Charged with an offence with us easier to prove and did not require the prosecution to prove intent. See Part B below. She was banged to rights hence the early guilty plea to maximise the sentencing discount.
Jones “got away with it” because the prosecution most likely failed to prove the necessary intent. As I’ve said previously, he’s a lucky guy and owes his liberty to his barrister. IMHO he’s not fit to hold public office and should be booted out.
Connolly was Charged with the below.
Publishing or distributing written material.
(1)A person who publishes or distributes written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting is guilty of an offence if—
(a)he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, OR
(b)having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Lucy-Connolly-v-The-King.pdf [Post edited 18 Aug 20:07]
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That little word "or" may have worked to Connolly's disadvantage. What strikes me about the two cases is the issue of how the process of causation would work and the proximity of hate speech to an unlawful outcome.
I think one reason why some Americans criticise the sentence in the Connolly case is that US legal doctrine is different from that of the UK. The First Amendment right to free speech only ceases to apply in certain circumstances where a direct link between hate speech and an unlawful outcome can be established.
To quote a recent article: "The line of demarcation lies in the Supreme Court’s “imminent lawless action” test from Brandenburg v. Ohio.[22] In this case, the Court held that the government is not permitted to forbid speech advocating for “the use of force or law violation,” except when this speech is directed to incite or produce “imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.”[23] The test the Court established in Brandenburg focuses on imminence and likelihood elements.[24] What causes speech to lose First Amendment protections and transform into incitement subjected to regulation is when the ideas in the speech become overt acts.[25] To cross the line of protected speech, courts must find “evidence or rational inference from the import of the language, that his words were intended to produce, and likely to produce, imminent disorder….”
https://jolt.richmond.edu/2023/11/28/can-the-government-restrict-incitement-cont
Now it seems to me that shouting an instruction to kill political opponents to an angry crowd in a face-to-face situation would rank higher on the imminence and likelihood scales than a middle-age woman making an angry (and unpleasant) post on X with the caveat "for all I care" added. This may be why the Americans are surprised when they see how our system works. [Post edited 19 Aug 7:38]
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| Ricky Jones on 08:21 - Aug 19 with 266 views | Demitrius |
If these cases have highlighted one thing it's that our judiciary are politically compromised.
The liberal leftards scream that central government have no influence over sentencing yet we have Doughty Street Chambers bum chums Starmer and Hermer as PM and Attorney General inflicting their UN led human rights filth over everything...
I only wish such public scrutiny had been applied to the 3 Ukrainian rent boys that torched a car and property earlier this year but no......media silence.
Then there is the Nick Brown affair which stinks to high heaven and most definitely IS in the public interest....
When you sum it up these ghouls can get away with murder - literal mass murder in Blair's case still advising Starmer on policy - and we all blindly accept it.
Rotten to the core is the UK and only a revolution will bring these political thugs to justice and hopefully the scaffold...
We should never have surrendered our weapons after Hungerford and Dunblane - the right to bear arms in the US is far more Magna Carta than our piss weak constitution - a government should fear the wrath of its electorate if it's corrupt. We gave that up sadly in misplaced trust.... |  | | |
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