| Chagos Islands 22:42 - Oct 3 with 13966 views | Kilkennyjack |
Great news.
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| Chagos Islands on 17:00 - Jan 15 with 2211 views | Flashberryjack |
They are pulling Starmer's pants down. |  |
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| Chagos Islands on 17:22 - Jan 15 with 2186 views | Dr_Winston |
| Chagos Islands on 17:00 - Jan 15 by Flashberryjack |
They are pulling Starmer's pants down. |
Lammy is the Foreign Secretary and a known moron. Probably doesn't help that the chief legal adviser to Mauritius on the deal is an old friend of Starmer's either. |  |
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| Chagos Islands on 18:37 - Jan 15 with 2138 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Chagos Islands on 17:00 - Jan 15 by Flashberryjack |
They are pulling Starmer's pants down. |
Liz Truss cost us 30 billion pounds in a single budget, talking of pants. | |
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| Chagos Islands on 18:59 - Jan 15 with 2127 views | Flashberryjack |
| Chagos Islands on 18:37 - Jan 15 by Kilkennyjack |
Liz Truss cost us 30 billion pounds in a single budget, talking of pants. |
Rachel Reeves is doing a lot better. | |
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| Chagos Islands on 04:00 - Jan 17 with 2047 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Chagos Islands on 18:59 - Jan 15 by Flashberryjack |
Rachel Reeves is doing a lot better. |
Rachel from Accounts is at least a grown up.
Takes advice and will get job done.
Idiot decision on pensioner heating though. | |
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| Chagos Islands on 08:53 - Jan 17 with 2001 views | AnotherJohn |
| Chagos Islands on 04:00 - Jan 17 by Kilkennyjack |
Rachel from Accounts is at least a grown up.
Takes advice and will get job done.
Idiot decision on pensioner heating though. |
We did hear a lot a few months ago about the grown ups now being in the room.... not so much now. |  | | |
| Chagos Islands on 18:03 - Jan 17 with 1920 views | majorraglan |
This whole process was started over 2 years ago by Cleverly at Truss’s behest, the consultation should have started at that point and, given the potential importance of Diego Garcia continued at regular intervals during discussions.
We’ll never know what’s really taken place as it’ll be expert from FOI and wrapped up in secrecy for many years, but I think it’s another example of our governments coming up short again. | | | |
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| Chagos Islands on 13:49 - Jan 19 with 1808 views | Kilkennyjack |
Boris Johnson needs investigating if anyone. | |
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| Chagos Islands on 16:10 - Feb 12 with 1567 views | AnotherJohn |
The argument over the proposed Chagos Islands deal seems to be hotting up.
Today, The Times published an article containing interview quotes from the minister for overseas territories, Stephen Doughty, setting out a rationale for the deal on national security grounds. His main new claim was that no deal would allow China to open a base in the Chagos region by doing its own deal with Mauritius.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/chagos-islands-deal-mauritius-steph
This was rubbished by Lord Dannatt, former chief of the army general staff, on Times Radio later this morning. Elsewhere, a former Attorney General suggested that Government reasoning was so irrational that ministers risked a judicial review action to halt the transfer of sovereignty.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/02/12/starmers-chagos-islands-deal-cou
Others pointed out that the comparatively obscure UN maritime law tribunal that offered the majority advisory judgement included an opinion from a Chinese judge who is a former communist party official and previously voted against an ICJ ruling that Russia should pause its "special military operation”.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/international-judge-who-ruled-against-brita
Probably it will be the Donald who has the final say. Some observers are puzzled about why he has stayed silent as long as he has. | | | |
| Chagos Islands on 19:24 - Feb 14 with 1486 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Chagos Islands on 13:49 - Jan 19 by Kilkennyjack |
Boris Johnson needs investigating if anyone. |
Surely ALL corruption needs investigating.
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| Chagos Islands on 21:20 - May 22 with 875 views | Kilkennyjack |
Deal done.
UK military very happy. | |
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| Chagos Islands on 00:17 - May 23 with 811 views | majorraglan |
| Chagos Islands on 21:20 - May 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Deal done.
UK military very happy. |
Trump has seemingly rubber stamped, so the question is is the deal as bad as some sections of the media are claiming it to be? | | | |
| Chagos Islands on 09:12 - May 23 with 731 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Chagos Islands on 00:17 - May 23 by majorraglan |
Trump has seemingly rubber stamped, so the question is is the deal as bad as some sections of the media are claiming it to be? |
Sign over the deeds of your house to me and I’ll let you carry on living in it as long as you pay me £100k a year? |  |
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| Chagos Islands on 09:40 - May 23 with 707 views | AnotherJohn |
| Chagos Islands on 09:12 - May 23 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Sign over the deeds of your house to me and I’ll let you carry on living in it as long as you pay me £100k a year? |
Some are saying that at £101m per year (reportedly with inflation proofing added) is going to cost around £30 billion in total. I think David Lammy has exaggerated the likelihood that an advisory judgement would quickly be translated into a binding injunction, but leave that aside for now. The thing that struck me yesterday was how the messages put out by the negotiating team change over time.
Just after taking over as lead negotiator, Blair's old mate Jonathan Powell said: “These are very tiny islands in the middle of the Indian Ocean where no one actually goes. So I don’t think we should be too worried about losing that bit of territory. We’re probably losing more to tidal erosion in the East Coast than that.”
https://order-order.com/2024/10/04/uk-chagos-negotiator-we-shouldnt-be-worried-a
Now today in the Times, Lammy (who has been working closely with Powell on the deal) writes: "This remote outpost in the Indian Ocean is one of the UK’s most prized strategic assets: enabling counterterrorism, monitoring hostile states and allowing rapid joint deployments of British and US forces. While we can’t detail every operation, Diego Garcia has played a crucial role in missions against high-value Islamic State targets in recent years. It is the UK’s most important contribution to the UK-US security relationship and a pillar of global stability."
https://www.thetimes.com/article/b5c9d06a-f998-4976-92bd-2bf8541b8bed
What an absolute shower they are. [Post edited 23 May 10:10]
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| Chagos Islands on 09:42 - May 23 with 705 views | controversial_jack |
If we hadn't signed it over, Mauritius would have taken us to court and won | | | |
| Chagos Islands on 10:28 - May 23 with 676 views | AnotherJohn |
| Chagos Islands on 09:42 - May 23 by controversial_jack |
If we hadn't signed it over, Mauritius would have taken us to court and won |
It is complicated because, as I have said many times on the forum, international law is a fragile construction. The court you have in mind is presumably the ICJ, which Mauritius has tried to use to get the Chagos Islands on multiple occasions since the 1970s. The UK is the only permanent member of the UN Security Council that recognises the jurisdiction of the ICJ, but subject to certain conditions. These mean the UK does not accept the ICJ's jurisdiction over disputes between the UK and Mauritius (a member of the Commonwealth see (ii) below). Nations agree to be bound by the ICJ through a Declaration, which specifies when court jurisdiction will not apply, so this caveat does not break any treaty.
Below is online.
Declarations recognizing the jurisdiction of the Court as compulsory
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
22 February 2017
1. The Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland accepts as compulsory ipso facto and without special convention, on condition of reciprocity, the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice, ln conformity with paragraph 2 of Article 36 of the Statute of the Court, until such time as notice may be given to terminate the acceptance, over all disputes arising after 1 January 1987, with regard to situations or facts subsequent to the same date, other than:
(i) any dispute which the United Kingdom has agreed with the other Party or Parties thereto to settle by some other method of peaceful settlement;
(ii) any dispute with the government of any other country which is or has been a Member of the Commonwealth;
(iii) any dispute in respect of which any other Party to the dispute has accepted the compulsory jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice only in relation to or for the purpose of the dispute; or where the acceptance of the Court's compulsory jurisdiction on behalf of any other Party to the dispute was deposited or ratified less than twelve months prior to the filing of the application bringing the dispute before the Court;
iv) any claim or dispute which is substantially the same as a claim or dispute previously submitted to the Court by the same or another Party;
v) any claim or dispute in respect of which the claim or dispute in question has not been notified to the United Kingdom by the State or States concerned in writing, including of an Intention to submit the claim or dispute to the Court failing an amicable settlement, at least six months in advance of the submission of the claim or dispute to the Court;
vi) any claim or dispute that arises from or is connected with or related to nuclear disarmament and/or nuclear weapons, unless all of the other nuclear-weapon States Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons have also consented to the jurisdiction of the Court and are party to the proceedings in question. | | | |
| Chagos Islands on 13:51 - May 23 with 589 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Chagos Islands on 09:12 - May 23 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Sign over the deeds of your house to me and I’ll let you carry on living in it as long as you pay me £100k a year? |
First question is who actually owns the deeds of the house ?
There is that. | |
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| Chagos Islands on 14:16 - May 23 with 568 views | majorraglan |
| Chagos Islands on 09:40 - May 23 by AnotherJohn |
Some are saying that at £101m per year (reportedly with inflation proofing added) is going to cost around £30 billion in total. I think David Lammy has exaggerated the likelihood that an advisory judgement would quickly be translated into a binding injunction, but leave that aside for now. The thing that struck me yesterday was how the messages put out by the negotiating team change over time.
Just after taking over as lead negotiator, Blair's old mate Jonathan Powell said: “These are very tiny islands in the middle of the Indian Ocean where no one actually goes. So I don’t think we should be too worried about losing that bit of territory. We’re probably losing more to tidal erosion in the East Coast than that.”
https://order-order.com/2024/10/04/uk-chagos-negotiator-we-shouldnt-be-worried-a
Now today in the Times, Lammy (who has been working closely with Powell on the deal) writes: "This remote outpost in the Indian Ocean is one of the UK’s most prized strategic assets: enabling counterterrorism, monitoring hostile states and allowing rapid joint deployments of British and US forces. While we can’t detail every operation, Diego Garcia has played a crucial role in missions against high-value Islamic State targets in recent years. It is the UK’s most important contribution to the UK-US security relationship and a pillar of global stability."
https://www.thetimes.com/article/b5c9d06a-f998-4976-92bd-2bf8541b8bed
What an absolute shower they are. [Post edited 23 May 10:10]
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The £30bn figure is being bandied around by The Telegraph, Express and the Conservative Party hardly an impartial cohort. It was the Conservatives under Truss who initially started the whole transfer saga in the first place.
Powell is right that the Chagos Islands are small islands where nobody goes, but they definitely have a strategic significance which anyone with half a brain will realise. Maybe he was downplaying the island’s significance as a negotiating strategy to minimise the financial outlay etc, he’d be pretty stupid to trot out the lines Lammy uttered at the outset of his negotiations because it would show his hand to the Mauritians. Then again, he maybe as dull as dishwater but I doubt it.
We’ve seen Trump use all sorts of approaches in his negotiations, some have paid off and others haven’t. | | | |
| Chagos Islands on 16:58 - May 23 with 522 views | Boundy |
| Chagos Islands on 13:49 - Jan 19 by Kilkennyjack |
Boris Johnson needs investigating if anyone. |
What about ,what about | |
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| Chagos Islands on 18:50 - May 23 with 471 views | howenjack |
I am no expert on this but I read somewhere that we are closer to St Petersburg than Mauritius is to the Chagos islands .What claim do Mauritius have? the islanders themselves are a mix of different races and nationalities . | | | |
| Chagos Islands on 19:26 - May 23 with 449 views | max936 |
| Chagos Islands on 10:26 - Oct 4 by KeithHaynes |
Well, let’s see how they get on without UK support. |
Well Starmer is paying them 101 million a year for the military base, so they not doing to bad on the deal. |  |
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