| Chagos Islands 22:42 - Oct 3 with 11558 views | Kilkennyjack |
Great news.
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| Chagos Islands on 10:55 - May 24 with 659 views | Gwyn737 |
It seems that China, Russia and Iran are against the deal while Canada, the US and Europe are for it.
Seeing as it’s about security that sounds about right? |  | | |
| Chagos Islands on 10:56 - May 24 with 659 views | Dr_Winston |
| Chagos Islands on 18:50 - May 23 by howenjack |
I am no expert on this but I read somewhere that we are closer to St Petersburg than Mauritius is to the Chagos islands .What claim do Mauritius have? the islanders themselves are a mix of different races and nationalities . |
It would appear that the majority of the Islanders themselves aren't hugely fond of Mauritius and would have preferred for the status quo to remain, which if true means that this deal flies in the face of the UN Right to Self Determination.
If this is the case then we've paid tens of Billions to give away then lease back something that we already had, and violated a fundamental principle of the UN charter in the process. It's an embarassing, abject toadying piece of surrender by the Government. |  |
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| Chagos Islands on 12:03 - May 24 with 601 views | Flashberryjack |
| Chagos Islands on 10:56 - May 24 by Dr_Winston |
It would appear that the majority of the Islanders themselves aren't hugely fond of Mauritius and would have preferred for the status quo to remain, which if true means that this deal flies in the face of the UN Right to Self Determination.
If this is the case then we've paid tens of Billions to give away then lease back something that we already had, and violated a fundamental principle of the UN charter in the process. It's an embarassing, abject toadying piece of surrender by the Government. |
Starmer and Lammy will one day pay for their treachery,
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| Chagos Islands on 12:57 - May 24 with 580 views | AnotherJohn |
| Chagos Islands on 10:55 - May 24 by Gwyn737 |
It seems that China, Russia and Iran are against the deal while Canada, the US and Europe are for it.
Seeing as it’s about security that sounds about right? |
Interesting if true, but I haven't seen the evidence of this nasty trio being against the handover of sovereignty. In both the 2019 ICJ case leading to the advisory decision and a 2022 International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea determination which rejected the idea that there was a Chagos Islands marine protection area, the Chinese and Russian judges voted for decisions that advanced Mauritian sovereignty claims.
The other interesting point relates to what Dr Winston said about self-determination. The principle that got all the publicity in the 2019 ICJ case was that when a colonial power gives independence to a former colony it should not divide that territory into separate jurisdictions (UN Resolution 1514 prohibits the breakup of colonies before independence). That always seems a stretch to me as the Chagos Archipelago is nearly as close to India as it is to Mauritius and the two were only brought together by the British colonial authorities at the time the UK took over Mauritius from the French as a matter of administrative convenience. Although classed as a Mauritian "dependency" the islands have never been economically dependent on Mauritius. There was no significant movement of population between the two and the language and cultures were different. I'd say the ICJ case was a deeply political one, bound up with an ideological commitment favouring de-colonisation and pushback against former colonial powers like the UK.
Most of the Chagossians up to the 1970s were contract workers from Africa and South Asia, who since the French colonial days had worked under contract on coconut plantations. The UK did treat the Chagossians badly, not least by forcibly relocating them away from the islands to meet a US requirement that the planned military base should be on an uninhabited island. The majority went to Mauritius, which treated them very much as 2nd class citizens, despite some money from the UK to support resettlement. The UK finally did the noble thing in 2022 by giving Chagossians who wished to apply the right to UK citizenship or British Overseas Citizenship (Nationality and Borders Act, 2022), and quite a large number live here now. In my view we'd have done better to give those Chagossians who wanted it, work at the military base rather than bringing in Filipino workers, but this would have been complicated. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Chagossians pursuing legal cases against Mauritius in the future to challenge its sovereignty, although the UN would have to do a sharp about turn if that was to get any support. | | | |
| Chagos Islands on 14:26 - May 24 with 554 views | max936 |
Yep, he's treating his friends/associates with the tab being picked up by the Tax Payer, yet again, he's a proper shyster fairplay  |  |
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| Chagos Islands on 16:18 - May 24 with 493 views | Boundy |
| Chagos Islands on 14:26 - May 24 by max936 |
Yep, he's treating his friends/associates with the tab being picked up by the Tax Payer, yet again, he's a proper shyster fairplay |
And the opening comment on this thread " great news" 🤔 | |
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| Chagos Islands on 20:27 - May 24 with 435 views | Dr_Winston |
| Chagos Islands on 12:03 - May 24 by Flashberryjack |
Starmer and Lammy will one day pay for their treachery,
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Much as I'd like to think so, they probably won't. The reward for political incompetence these days is a seat in the House of Lords and even less accountability.
In a functional democracy both would probably face jail time. | |
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| Chagos Islands on 03:05 - May 25 with 360 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Chagos Islands on 20:27 - May 24 by Dr_Winston |
Much as I'd like to think so, they probably won't. The reward for political incompetence these days is a seat in the House of Lords and even less accountability.
In a functional democracy both would probably face jail time. |
Straight after Farage, Mogg and Johnson obviously. | |
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| Chagos Islands on 03:22 - May 25 with 354 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Chagos Islands on 16:18 - May 24 by Boundy |
And the opening comment on this thread " great news" 🤔 |
UK military think its a great outcome.
‘From a military standpoint, the UK Ministry of Defence has emphasized the strategic importance of the Diego Garcia base. Minister for the Armed Forces James Heappey noted that without a legally binding agreement, the base's future operation could be compromised, potentially benefiting adversaries. He stated, "Without legal certainty, the base simply cannot operate effectively. Continued uncertainty would be a gift to our adversaries."
Yes great news, unless you are taking a different view from the uk military top brass. | |
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| Chagos Islands on 07:20 - May 25 with 331 views | AnotherJohn |
The alleged compromising of the base concerns the theory that Phillipe Sands floated in 2022 about interference with military communications (see link above), rather than the likelihood of a binding court judgement on the wider sovereignty issue. Sands suggested that the International Telecommunication Union, a UN agency, could rule UK-US telecommunications on the islands illegal. However, plenty of other military experts say this is hogwash. As the US does not even recognise the jurisdiction of the ICJ (a UN body), it simply wouldn't let any UN agency stick its nose in to that extent. It is also worth recalling that the UK's agreement to ICJ jurisdiction excludes any matter affecting the operation of nuclear weapons, which would be a fig-leaf to resist any action by any UN agency that interfered with military operations. | | | |
| Chagos Islands on 15:45 - May 27 with 200 views | Boundy |
| Chagos Islands on 03:22 - May 25 by Kilkennyjack |
UK military think its a great outcome.
‘From a military standpoint, the UK Ministry of Defence has emphasized the strategic importance of the Diego Garcia base. Minister for the Armed Forces James Heappey noted that without a legally binding agreement, the base's future operation could be compromised, potentially benefiting adversaries. He stated, "Without legal certainty, the base simply cannot operate effectively. Continued uncertainty would be a gift to our adversaries."
Yes great news, unless you are taking a different view from the uk military top brass. |
I am , is that a crime ? | |
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| Chagos Islands on 21:44 - May 27 with 140 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Chagos Islands on 15:45 - May 27 by Boundy |
I am , is that a crime ? |
No - I like it, but as an ex-Forces man your independent thinking surprised me a little …. | |
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| Chagos Islands on 10:29 - May 28 with 99 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Chagos Islands on 03:22 - May 25 by Kilkennyjack |
UK military think its a great outcome.
‘From a military standpoint, the UK Ministry of Defence has emphasized the strategic importance of the Diego Garcia base. Minister for the Armed Forces James Heappey noted that without a legally binding agreement, the base's future operation could be compromised, potentially benefiting adversaries. He stated, "Without legal certainty, the base simply cannot operate effectively. Continued uncertainty would be a gift to our adversaries."
Yes great news, unless you are taking a different view from the uk military top brass. |
That is a Government minister quoted ! [Post edited 28 May 10:44]
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| Chagos Islands on 11:38 - May 28 with 62 views | Boundy |
| Chagos Islands on 21:44 - May 27 by Kilkennyjack |
No - I like it, but as an ex-Forces man your independent thinking surprised me a little …. |
Not sure why you would be surprised , you don't know me, only think you do. | |
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