| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 08:32 - Apr 7 with 2425 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 21:29 - Apr 6 by Fireboy2 |
Perhaps it's because we have a poor squad, since we lost paterson we don't have a midfielder who can unlock defences.
Hopefully this swede melder is that player. |
Yes, we may have a better squad next season and he may well work it out anyway.
I’m just saying the warning signs are there. For me, I can get behind it for Leeds away, we should be trying to impose ourselves on teams like Derby, not letting them dictate the way we play.
We got away with it Saturday, but the way to play teams that come to stifle shouldn’t be playing them at their own game surely? |  | |  |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 08:37 - Apr 7 with 2424 views | RichardO |
Rode our luck on Saturday but held firm, thought Fulton reverted to Grimes mode and didn't take the opportunity to show for the ball in the midfield when we got the ball down the wings resulting in very little penetration though the middle, add the lack of height up top to supply to players in the middle trying to come onto the ball,Ronald was our main target for long balls up top but that resulted often in the head tennis. Their target for long balls was Key and he did better than expected but it did result in them gaining position for the long throws into the box which we dealt with.
Against Plymouth do we revert to O'Brien in the middle resting Fulton and bringing Vipotnik in or rest Cullen for Vipotnik instead or do we start with Allen and Vipotnik resting both Cullen and Fulton which for me may be the best option as it maintains height in the team while giving the midfield more fluidity with better ball players with O'Brien, Allen and Franco, horses for courses hope Sheehan has done his homework looked as if he got it right against Derby.
We will see if Sheehan can adapt the team to exploit Plymouth's weaknesses while keeping us defensively strong. Did he get the tactics right against Derby the result would suggest yes, wonder what the mood in the ground would have been against Plymouth if we had lost the first game out of the two games we needed and would be expected to get points out of. Now we could get 6 where it did look as if the most could have been 4 but if we had tried to over commit against Derby and lost we could have looking at Plymouth as a must win game making the crowd very apprehensive, we are now not in that position the preferred scenario but still looking to get the better of Plymouth. | | | |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 08:43 - Apr 7 with 2391 views | Dr_Winston |
I think Fulton had a very specific job on Saturday. He was almost there as a fourth CB. Sit deep, keep it simple, lots of short passes, and be ready to deal with the aerial bombardment that we had to have known was coming. He did it well IMO.
He wasn't going to be driving through midfield. One of Franco or O'Brien ideally would have got forward more, but we got dragged down to their level a bit with the head tennis. |  |
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| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 09:10 - Apr 7 with 2323 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 08:43 - Apr 7 by Dr_Winston |
I think Fulton had a very specific job on Saturday. He was almost there as a fourth CB. Sit deep, keep it simple, lots of short passes, and be ready to deal with the aerial bombardment that we had to have known was coming. He did it well IMO.
He wasn't going to be driving through midfield. One of Franco or O'Brien ideally would have got forward more, but we got dragged down to their level a bit with the head tennis. |
Exactly as I saw it, Fulton seemed very structured in what he was doing as you say often dropping in between Cabango and Darling.
On a separate point although the players seemed happy with the win, when they came over to clap the crowd I thought they seemed quite subdued, not the normal euphoria after a win. |  | | |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 09:19 - Apr 7 with 2312 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 08:43 - Apr 7 by Dr_Winston |
I think Fulton had a very specific job on Saturday. He was almost there as a fourth CB. Sit deep, keep it simple, lots of short passes, and be ready to deal with the aerial bombardment that we had to have known was coming. He did it well IMO.
He wasn't going to be driving through midfield. One of Franco or O'Brien ideally would have got forward more, but we got dragged down to their level a bit with the head tennis. |
I agree he was given a role to do and wouldn't want or expect him or anyone to carry the ball for too long though the middle, it was just when we had the ball on the floor we struggled to make any significant headway down the wings as those routes were blocked off or crosses became mostly ineffective as we gave them time to organise their defence.
It became similar to William's and Martin's reigns where there was time to play the quick ball into the middle if that holding midfielder stopped sitting behind the opposition player and use the fact he was on their blind side to make himself available at times to come onto the ball with a view of what is forward of him to progress us up the pitch quicker even if it was with only one touch through ball into space in behind and turning their defence, it would also mean he could still hold his defensive shape in the midfield. [Post edited 7 Apr 9:33]
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| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 09:33 - Apr 7 with 2286 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 08:32 - Apr 7 by jack247 |
Yes, we may have a better squad next season and he may well work it out anyway.
I’m just saying the warning signs are there. For me, I can get behind it for Leeds away, we should be trying to impose ourselves on teams like Derby, not letting them dictate the way we play.
We got away with it Saturday, but the way to play teams that come to stifle shouldn’t be playing them at their own game surely? |
Sheehan set us up in the only way that we could match derby, they are a big side who rely on bullying teams, remember they were on a run of 4 straight wins so our performance was alot better when you look at it like that.
Eustace has shown what a great coach he is, he played decent football with a skilful Blackburn side but since he has taken over derby he has changed tactics as derby are a team of lumpers, sheehan has shown similar qualities for our squad, that's why I think he's the man for the job. [Post edited 7 Apr 10:14]
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| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 09:33 - Apr 7 with 2284 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 09:19 - Apr 7 by RichardO |
I agree he was given a role to do and wouldn't want or expect him or anyone to carry the ball for too long though the middle, it was just when we had the ball on the floor we struggled to make any significant headway down the wings as those routes were blocked off or crosses became mostly ineffective as we gave them time to organise their defence.
It became similar to William's and Martin's reigns where there was time to play the quick ball into the middle if that holding midfielder stopped sitting behind the opposition player and use the fact he was on their blind side to make himself available at times to come onto the ball with a view of what is forward of him to progress us up the pitch quicker even if it was with only one touch through ball into space in behind and turning their defence, it would also mean he could still hold his defensive shape in the midfield. [Post edited 7 Apr 9:33]
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I've not seen such detailed analysis , anywhere
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| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 09:40 - Apr 7 with 2281 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 09:19 - Apr 7 by RichardO |
I agree he was given a role to do and wouldn't want or expect him or anyone to carry the ball for too long though the middle, it was just when we had the ball on the floor we struggled to make any significant headway down the wings as those routes were blocked off or crosses became mostly ineffective as we gave them time to organise their defence.
It became similar to William's and Martin's reigns where there was time to play the quick ball into the middle if that holding midfielder stopped sitting behind the opposition player and use the fact he was on their blind side to make himself available at times to come onto the ball with a view of what is forward of him to progress us up the pitch quicker even if it was with only one touch through ball into space in behind and turning their defence, it would also mean he could still hold his defensive shape in the midfield. [Post edited 7 Apr 9:33]
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We didn't make any headway down the wings because Ronald had a stinker and Tymon isn't really a winger.
Fundamentally our issues there come down to a lack of genuine pace throughout the side. Pace individually in the players themselves, and in the speed with which we move the ball. It's the reason I find it hard to understand why Bianchini has only played about an hour of football since Sheehan took over.
I don't disagree that our midfield didn't function as it probably could have, but that's more on Franco and LoB who should have been able to roam rather than Fulton who appeared under clear orders not to. [Post edited 7 Apr 10:05]
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| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 10:07 - Apr 7 with 2242 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 09:40 - Apr 7 by Dr_Winston |
We didn't make any headway down the wings because Ronald had a stinker and Tymon isn't really a winger.
Fundamentally our issues there come down to a lack of genuine pace throughout the side. Pace individually in the players themselves, and in the speed with which we move the ball. It's the reason I find it hard to understand why Bianchini has only played about an hour of football since Sheehan took over.
I don't disagree that our midfield didn't function as it probably could have, but that's more on Franco and LoB who should have been able to roam rather than Fulton who appeared under clear orders not to. [Post edited 7 Apr 10:05]
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Not sure about the lack of pace in the team more inclined to look at the inability to change the point of attack quickly, we try to do it across the back but especially against defensively well organised teams it is ineffectual the correctly functioning midfield is paramount all for keeping a defensive shape in the midfield but once the ball is quickly got to feet in our possession the midfield need to be able to exploit gaps wherever they appear, yes safe guards need to be in place but we have seen playing to orders can stifle forward momentum and end up with us playing long ball to often. Balance of knowing when the opposition is vulnerable to attack, Millwall waited and picked us off late in the game, did we do the same against Derby. | | | |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 11:03 - Apr 7 with 2202 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 10:07 - Apr 7 by RichardO |
Not sure about the lack of pace in the team more inclined to look at the inability to change the point of attack quickly, we try to do it across the back but especially against defensively well organised teams it is ineffectual the correctly functioning midfield is paramount all for keeping a defensive shape in the midfield but once the ball is quickly got to feet in our possession the midfield need to be able to exploit gaps wherever they appear, yes safe guards need to be in place but we have seen playing to orders can stifle forward momentum and end up with us playing long ball to often. Balance of knowing when the opposition is vulnerable to attack, Millwall waited and picked us off late in the game, did we do the same against Derby. |
We are certainly slow to watch
It starts with goalie rolling the ball under her feet, something Gary Neville referred to
It's excruciating and kills passion in fansatvyhecend of the day, most excitement and all meaningful action takes place in opponents box
Sideways passing drives people away , as we are seeing
Not all fans are quasi expert analysts
They want the ball in the back of the net more often than opoonent then go home happy
Simple when you think of it , really | |
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| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 14:21 - Apr 7 with 2074 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 08:43 - Apr 7 by Dr_Winston |
I think Fulton had a very specific job on Saturday. He was almost there as a fourth CB. Sit deep, keep it simple, lots of short passes, and be ready to deal with the aerial bombardment that we had to have known was coming. He did it well IMO.
He wasn't going to be driving through midfield. One of Franco or O'Brien ideally would have got forward more, but we got dragged down to their level a bit with the head tennis. |
This is what concerns me. He set up to contain Derby at home.
I’m normally quite positive and can’t remember last time I was negative after a win, but that’s a very submissive mindset.
Fulton did his job well, but we shouldn’t be letting the worst teams in the division, winning run or not, come here and dictate how the game is played. We showed very little attacking intent and the goal came out of nowhere. I can’t really say against the run of play, because there wasn’t a run of play. We allowed them to play the type of game that suits them and doesn’t suit us.
People have said we’ll be more positive on Wednesday. I sincerely hope that’s true and that he saves those type of tactics for games when we’re up against much better sides. | | | |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 15:35 - Apr 7 with 1990 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 14:21 - Apr 7 by jack247 |
This is what concerns me. He set up to contain Derby at home.
I’m normally quite positive and can’t remember last time I was negative after a win, but that’s a very submissive mindset.
Fulton did his job well, but we shouldn’t be letting the worst teams in the division, winning run or not, come here and dictate how the game is played. We showed very little attacking intent and the goal came out of nowhere. I can’t really say against the run of play, because there wasn’t a run of play. We allowed them to play the type of game that suits them and doesn’t suit us.
People have said we’ll be more positive on Wednesday. I sincerely hope that’s true and that he saves those type of tactics for games when we’re up against much better sides. |
I don't disagree. Setting up to contain lesser sides is the main thing that pissed me off about Paul Clement and something no manager should be doing. Having said that, they had just won four on the bounce so weren't perhaps total mugs.
I can accept employing Fulton as an extra physical presence if we offset that with a bit more imagination on the front foot and we didn't really get it. We just got Ronald for the full game despite being a bit crap on the day. I'm not sure that he'll do an awful lot different on Wed. | |
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| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread UPDATED ** on 17:25 - Apr 7 with 1920 views | Swans9 |
Sat was the biggest win of the season. At this stage win ugly against a team on a five timer is better than to play well and lose.I want to win on wed but would take a draw to stop Plymouth gaining any ground. I think Derby and Cardiff will struggle to win their next game and Luton. Gap should look wider then so we can have a free hit away to Sunderland. | | | |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread UPDATED ** on 17:52 - Apr 7 with 1869 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread UPDATED ** on 17:25 - Apr 7 by Swans9 |
Sat was the biggest win of the season. At this stage win ugly against a team on a five timer is better than to play well and lose.I want to win on wed but would take a draw to stop Plymouth gaining any ground. I think Derby and Cardiff will struggle to win their next game and Luton. Gap should look wider then so we can have a free hit away to Sunderland. |
Said perfectly.
Ugly win rather than a beautiful loss.
I cant believe some people, we lose playing well, they moan, we win ugly and people moan.
If we had lost on Saturday we would have been 3 pts closer to the relegation places, now that would have got people moaning 😂😂😂 | | | |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 17:54 - Apr 7 with 1859 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 14:21 - Apr 7 by jack247 |
This is what concerns me. He set up to contain Derby at home.
I’m normally quite positive and can’t remember last time I was negative after a win, but that’s a very submissive mindset.
Fulton did his job well, but we shouldn’t be letting the worst teams in the division, winning run or not, come here and dictate how the game is played. We showed very little attacking intent and the goal came out of nowhere. I can’t really say against the run of play, because there wasn’t a run of play. We allowed them to play the type of game that suits them and doesn’t suit us.
People have said we’ll be more positive on Wednesday. I sincerely hope that’s true and that he saves those type of tactics for games when we’re up against much better sides. |
He set up to contain a team on a roll and it worked.
I'd rather that than trying to play football, losing and being closer to the relegation places. | | | |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 18:00 - Apr 7 with 1843 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 17:54 - Apr 7 by Fireboy2 |
He set up to contain a team on a roll and it worked.
I'd rather that than trying to play football, losing and being closer to the relegation places. |
Sometimes the end justifys the means, as it did on Saturday. At least Sheehan has the gumption to vary the tactics to suit the opposition. Under previous managers we would probably have lost. | | | |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 20:28 - Apr 7 with 1730 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 17:54 - Apr 7 by Fireboy2 |
He set up to contain a team on a roll and it worked.
I'd rather that than trying to play football, losing and being closer to the relegation places. |
So would I.
Playing football doesn’t mean you’re going to lose though.
There was nothing to Derby, they were just organised and physical. They weren’t even the type of team you need to contain, they had no attacking flair at all. The type of team that play to stifle the game and hope to nick a goal.
If he’s here next season, I hope he has the imagination and confidence to attack teams like that, there are plenty of them. | | | |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 20:39 - Apr 7 with 1691 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 20:28 - Apr 7 by jack247 |
So would I.
Playing football doesn’t mean you’re going to lose though.
There was nothing to Derby, they were just organised and physical. They weren’t even the type of team you need to contain, they had no attacking flair at all. The type of team that play to stifle the game and hope to nick a goal.
If he’s here next season, I hope he has the imagination and confidence to attack teams like that, there are plenty of them. |
He will if we have bigger more physical players. | | | |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 20:53 - Apr 7 with 1659 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 20:39 - Apr 7 by Fireboy2 |
He will if we have bigger more physical players. |
Not having those bigger, physical players is less of a reason to take Derby on at their own game.
Hopefully it was just a case of getting us over the line and we don’t play like that again. | | | |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 21:06 - Apr 7 with 1630 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 20:53 - Apr 7 by jack247 |
Not having those bigger, physical players is less of a reason to take Derby on at their own game.
Hopefully it was just a case of getting us over the line and we don’t play like that again. |
It was a case of getting us over the line.
It was all about stopping them playing their way, the way that got them 12pts in 4 games.
We stopped them with the little we had, if we had tried to play football with a different formation they would have carried on their winning run.
It will be different on weds but equally as difficult, Plymouth will be battling for every ball but I'm hoping, seeing me and the eldest are down for the game, that we will be equal and that sheehan and his coaching team will have something up their sleeves. [Post edited 7 Apr 21:15]
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| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 21:20 - Apr 7 with 1593 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 21:06 - Apr 7 by Fireboy2 |
It was a case of getting us over the line.
It was all about stopping them playing their way, the way that got them 12pts in 4 games.
We stopped them with the little we had, if we had tried to play football with a different formation they would have carried on their winning run.
It will be different on weds but equally as difficult, Plymouth will be battling for every ball but I'm hoping, seeing me and the eldest are down for the game, that we will be equal and that sheehan and his coaching team will have something up their sleeves. [Post edited 7 Apr 21:15]
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We didn’t stop them playing their way, we just mirrored it. We got lucky and scored with our only shot on target.
They’ve won twice away all season.
Completely agree with your last sentence. Hopefully they’ve got something up their sleeve and you and your boy enjoy the game. | | | |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 22:03 - Apr 7 with 1552 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread on 21:20 - Apr 7 by jack247 |
We didn’t stop them playing their way, we just mirrored it. We got lucky and scored with our only shot on target.
They’ve won twice away all season.
Completely agree with your last sentence. Hopefully they’ve got something up their sleeve and you and your boy enjoy the game. |
Cheers mate 👍 | | | |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread UPDATED ** on 15:27 - Apr 8 with 1141 views | heatwave |
I can see us setting up similar again tonight. With the mindset again of not losing.
I can accept that at this stage of the season.
Another point to our tally after beating derby IMO is acceptable. |  | | |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread UPDATED ** on 17:01 - Apr 8 with 1053 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread UPDATED ** on 15:27 - Apr 8 by heatwave |
I can see us setting up similar again tonight. With the mindset again of not losing.
I can accept that at this stage of the season.
Another point to our tally after beating derby IMO is acceptable. |
If we pick up a point tonight I'll be absolutely amazed. | | | |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread UPDATED ** on 17:07 - Apr 8 with 1026 views | ncswan |
| Swansea City v Plymouth Argyle : Match day thread UPDATED ** on 17:01 - Apr 8 by Whiterockin |
If we pick up a point tonight I'll be absolutely amazed. |
HW, maybe tomorrow night but not tonight! I'm optimistic that 3 points for Swans tomorrow night. | | | |
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