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Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? 13:41 - May 23 with 932 views

Some other threads have touched on this, but would to dig deeper, apologies if done so already (couldn't find one)

I've read about the club putting in place a common system from youth to adult teams. Makes sense, especially an ethos and way of playing. But does it also lock us into playing 4-2-3-1 all the time?

Putting aside my personal hatred of a single person upfront and no wingers, there's 3 reasons I think this is nuts...

1) You're reliant on a position you can't afford. A striker who is big, holds it up, has pace, can finish. There are none, and if there are we can't afford them. Look at the problems Man U are having.

2) It's predictable - makes it easy for the opposition. Whereas if you mix it up you can surprise them, as I think we did vs Sunderland last game

3) You don't maximise the players you have at that time. As WWC said we have no fullbacks so maybe look at 3-5-2

3)

Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? on 14:56 - May 23 with 879 views

Boston

2 4 6 8

We're not telling you our pre season dates.

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Thank God The Seaons Over.

Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? on 15:02 - May 23 with 862 views

daveB

I think/hope the club are locked in on a style of play rather than what tactics we have to play. Any manager/coach is going to want to switch things if needed

A lot of the talk from clubs about philosophy etc is all a load of old clap trap really just soundbites and they'd change it all in a second if they thought it would bring sucsess

Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? on 15:29 - May 23 with 823 views

Tonto

Thanks for posting this as I was thinking something similar. Especially after listening to the patreon review.

It does feel like several.of our players are square pegs being played in round holes. Celar is the most obvious. If we want one up top, that isnt him. Or Kelman's, or Kollis or Lloyds and only partially Frey's best postion either. So why did we buy Celar?

If we wanted 4 at the back, why did we only have 1 left back. Where does Harvey Vale fit into this? Or Harrison Ashby?

If the recruitment is on a backroom team, does the back room team set the formation? In which case shouldnt our recruitment reflect that?

Or was this Marti being pragmatic and just seeking not to concede first to keep us in The game?

I also wonder whether with our personnel whether a 3, 4, 2, 1 (or 1,2) would be a better fit? Have wing backs as the width. Kolli and chair buzzing around Celar/Kelman or Frey (assuming we dont buy anyone btter of course) would be better?

[Post edited 23 May 15:31]

	Why stop now, just when I'm hating it
Poll:	How do we feel.about Marti post Plymouth?

Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? on 16:21 - May 23 with 724 views

wombat

Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? on 15:02 - May 23 by daveB
I think/hope the club are locked in on a style of play rather than what tactics we have to play. Any manager/coach is going to want to switch things if needed A lot of the talk from clubs about philosophy etc is all a load of old clap trap really just soundbites and they'd change it all in a second if they thought it would bring sucsess

funnily enough was talking about this to somebody recently , who actually come up with this masterplan ? nourry marti ? hoos ? ruben ?

it seems mad that a style of play has been decided at board level by somebody im sirry to says never been involved in running a football club before , maybe that tyle of play works for him on fifa and he just likes it ?

Poll:

which is your favouite foot

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Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? on 17:01 - May 23 with 691 views

Wilkinswatercarrier

Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? on 15:29 - May 23 by Tonto

[Post edited 23 May 15:31]

In fairness to Celar, or any of our strikers will struggle if the midfield is unable to pass a ball bloody forward.

Personally all the talk of formations and tactics is a bit of a smokescreen to distract from the uncomfortable truth that we don't have a creative central midfield.
Fix that and goals will follow.

Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? on 17:42 - May 23 with 637 views

ed_83

Except if you play three at the back and two up top, where do Chair / Dembele / any of our other midget 10s go? We've clearly been better playing 433 than 4231 recently, but we never stick with it because it doesn't suit our creative players.

Whatever formation we choose, we'll keep running into trouble because there isn't any setup which suits all of our players: either because they haven't been recruited with a shared approach in mind, or because they're just not very good, so we have to shift everyone else around to compensate for their flaws.

Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? on 18:39 - May 23 with 532 views

DavieQPR

If you watch Frey is almost midfield at times. He receives the ball from the DMs and plays the ball out wide. Then turns to get in the box usually not alone. The system is a very flexible 4-2-3-1.

Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? on 11:17 - May 24 with 346 views

SimplyNico

This is what the no coaching badges Director of Football stated:

"Back in October before I officially started [as chief executive] we identified the fact that we needed to play some form of 4-3-3, possession-based, mid-block/high press football,” Nourry explained.

We did that by looking at the last 10 years of the Championship and what won you points and what allowed you sustainability to bring in 16 to 24-year-old players who could play well in the system, develop and be the best players they could possibly be."

Per https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/qpr-chief-executive-nourry-we-will-stick-wi

So, decided based on data and without regard to squad, opposition, league place or whether we have a fitness team working credibly with the players.

What could possibly go wrong?

Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? on 11:30 - May 24 with 330 views

wombat

Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? on 11:17 - May 24 by SimplyNico

so as i said earlier decied via running football manager for a while and see what it come up with . and some people say hes the right man for the job

Poll:

which is your favouite foot

Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? on 14:53 - May 24 with 201 views

DavieQPR

Why don’t we scrap this forum and turn it into a have a dig at Noury one instead. After all that’s what almost every thread has been turned into. We are not dumb you don’t have to endlessly repeat your views on the man.

Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? on 22:23 - May 24 with 45 views

wombat

Is the club locked into playing 4-2-3-1? on 14:53 - May 24 by DavieQPR
Why don’t we scrap this forum and turn it into a have a dig at Noury one instead. After all that’s what almost every thread has been turned into. We are not dumb you don’t have to endlessly repeat your views on the man.

Is it called having a dig ? Think it’s making a comment on somebody else post, which I weirdly belive that’s the main purpose of this message board , some of us haven’t fallen for his emperors new clothes funnily enough

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which is your favouite foot

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