| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? 22:46 - May 25 with 4034 views | oldmeadoniansR |
Who is it?
Got to be over 20 goals.
My guess is Clive Allen. My left field is John Spencer.
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| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 01:03 - May 27 with 884 views | SydneyRs |
| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 09:42 - May 26 by Hastings_Hoops |
Don’t be putting Devon white in that bracket. |
Fair comment. Withdrawn. | | | |
| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 10:20 - May 27 with 728 views | hoops_legend |
I asked chatgpt to help... and it came out as following (i asked it specifically tio include Gallen, taarabt, bradley allen etc
QPR Top 10 Goals-to-Games Ratios (All Competitions)
Rank Player Goals Appearances Goals per Game
1 George Goddard 186 243 0.77
2 Rodney Marsh 106 211 0.50
3 Les Ferdinand 90 183 0.49
4 John Spencer 22 48 0.46
5 Charlie Austin 58 137 0.42
6 Bradley Allen 27 81 0.33
7 Kevin Gallen 90 365 0.25
8 Adel Taarabt 34 164 0.21
9 Clive Allen 83 157 0.53
10 Stan Bowles 97 315 0.31 |  |
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| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 10:37 - May 27 with 702 views | Lancashirehoop |
| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 10:20 - May 27 by hoops_legend |
I asked chatgpt to help... and it came out as following (i asked it specifically tio include Gallen, taarabt, bradley allen etc
QPR Top 10 Goals-to-Games Ratios (All Competitions)
Rank Player Goals Appearances Goals per Game
1 George Goddard 186 243 0.77
2 Rodney Marsh 106 211 0.50
3 Les Ferdinand 90 183 0.49
4 John Spencer 22 48 0.46
5 Charlie Austin 58 137 0.42
6 Bradley Allen 27 81 0.33
7 Kevin Gallen 90 365 0.25
8 Adel Taarabt 34 164 0.21
9 Clive Allen 83 157 0.53
10 Stan Bowles 97 315 0.31 |
Surprised Brian Bedford doesn't feature in this list. |  |
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| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 10:40 - May 27 with 698 views | daveB |
I've added goals per game to this
https://www.qprhistory.co.uk/players/all-time-goals
If you are going with players who have played more than 20 games
Best is William Heathote with a goal every 0.86 games
Then George Goddard with a goal every 0.72 games
If you want to go post 1967 then it's
Rodney Marsh a goal every 0.55 games
Clive Allen a goal evert 0.53 games
Les Ferdinand a goal every 0.49 games
John Spencer a goal every 0.44 games
Barry Bridges. Loic Remy & Charlie Austin a goal every 0.43 games
Gary Bannister a goal every 0.42 games
Andy Thomson a goal every 0.40 games
Roy Wegerle, Don Givens, Dijbril Cisse a goal every 0.34 games
Devon White, Andrt Gray, Nahki Wells and JET a goal every 0.33 games
Paul Furlong, FranK Clarke, Paul Wright, Tommy Langlry & Jay Simpson, a goal every 0.32 games
Some other big names
Stan Bowles 0.30
Kevin Gallen & John Byrne 0.24
Dexter Blackstock 0.27
Peter Crouch 0.26 |  | | |
| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 12:29 - May 27 with 602 views | ed_83 |
| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 13:59 - May 26 by stainrods_elbow |
it's funny, isn't it? For years, in fact decades, we developed or brought in (often for little money - Les cost us £15,000 from Hayes if memory serves) a fantastic succession of gifted goalscoring strikers, while in recent years our forward line has been varying shades of dismal. It's why I think, a big part of our plug-circling has been as much down to (i) the abject uselessness of our 'development' coaches and (ii) our dismal scouting, as our benign but bungling owners. Either that, or some kind of perverse determination not to solve our own problems must behind behind it, if not that gypsy's curse!
To put that in statistical context, no fewer than SIXTEEN players in the Champ last season managed 12+ goals, with another 12 hitting double figures. That's an awful lot of players and clubs, many with similar and possibly lesser budgets to ours, who've managed to field at least one competent forward. Michael Frey is 36th in that list, people, with his paltry 8 goals, and yet there are still some here who seem to tout him as if he were John Hartson or tell us we can expect no better with our finances!
Arguably, and you know who you are, those supporters part of the problem. Some of us aspire higher, which is the main role of fans, by the way. We're enthusiasts, not accountants. In the words of The Waterboys, dream harder! [Post edited 26 May 14:03]
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Right, but how many of those sixteen players are centre forwards who would have been available on our budget, and been interested in coming here? A quick check on transfermarkt suggests that only Emil Riis, and maybe Josh Maja fit that criteria. Norwich spent 11 million quid on Andre Crnac, who ended up scoring one goal less than Frey did.
Dream all you like, but the financial realities are what they are: the market for Championship goalscorers has exploded, and we don't have enough money to compete, so we've had to buy cheap and hope we get lucky. You can criticise how we've approached that (Washington and Bonne, for example) or other clubs beating us to emerging talent. But when the market is stacked against you, you're inevitably going to end up with more misses than hits.
I also think you're applying a pretty rosy filter to the past: Les was a generational talent, but around the same time we also spent decent money on Mark Falco (£500k, 12 goals in his first season, no more than 5 subsequently), plus obvious dross like Mark Hateley and Mike Sheron. The idea that, Les aside, we used to have a conveyor belt of amazing strikers is pretty tenuous. Even if it was accurate, it's clear that the game's changed beyond all recognition since then. [Post edited 27 May 12:31]
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| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 14:18 - May 27 with 526 views | strikerace |
| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 10:40 - May 27 by daveB |
I've added goals per game to this
https://www.qprhistory.co.uk/players/all-time-goals
If you are going with players who have played more than 20 games
Best is William Heathote with a goal every 0.86 games
Then George Goddard with a goal every 0.72 games
If you want to go post 1967 then it's
Rodney Marsh a goal every 0.55 games
Clive Allen a goal evert 0.53 games
Les Ferdinand a goal every 0.49 games
John Spencer a goal every 0.44 games
Barry Bridges. Loic Remy & Charlie Austin a goal every 0.43 games
Gary Bannister a goal every 0.42 games
Andy Thomson a goal every 0.40 games
Roy Wegerle, Don Givens, Dijbril Cisse a goal every 0.34 games
Devon White, Andrt Gray, Nahki Wells and JET a goal every 0.33 games
Paul Furlong, FranK Clarke, Paul Wright, Tommy Langlry & Jay Simpson, a goal every 0.32 games
Some other big names
Stan Bowles 0.30
Kevin Gallen & John Byrne 0.24
Dexter Blackstock 0.27
Peter Crouch 0.26 |
I have always thought this way, goals per game, was the proper way to look at this. Takes out variables like # of matches, etc. When someone is on the pitch how much of a difference maker are they | | | |
| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 15:15 - May 27 with 468 views | daveB |
| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 14:18 - May 27 by strikerace |
I have always thought this way, goals per game, was the proper way to look at this. Takes out variables like # of matches, etc. When someone is on the pitch how much of a difference maker are they |
it can be deceptive though, someone like Gallen played a large number of games in midfield whilst strikers with a better goals per game ratio may have played all games up front and also a lot less games. Leagues they are in and how good the opposition were could also be factored in. Likes of Bedford and Goddard got all their goals in the 3rd division whilst Ferdinand got all his in the top flight.
Ultimatley the numbers are a guide, everyone will have their own favourite forward and can use the number to justify that | | | |
| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 15:23 - May 27 with 459 views | Random_Ranger |
| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 10:40 - May 27 by daveB |
I've added goals per game to this
https://www.qprhistory.co.uk/players/all-time-goals
If you are going with players who have played more than 20 games
Best is William Heathote with a goal every 0.86 games
Then George Goddard with a goal every 0.72 games
If you want to go post 1967 then it's
Rodney Marsh a goal every 0.55 games
Clive Allen a goal evert 0.53 games
Les Ferdinand a goal every 0.49 games
John Spencer a goal every 0.44 games
Barry Bridges. Loic Remy & Charlie Austin a goal every 0.43 games
Gary Bannister a goal every 0.42 games
Andy Thomson a goal every 0.40 games
Roy Wegerle, Don Givens, Dijbril Cisse a goal every 0.34 games
Devon White, Andrt Gray, Nahki Wells and JET a goal every 0.33 games
Paul Furlong, FranK Clarke, Paul Wright, Tommy Langlry & Jay Simpson, a goal every 0.32 games
Some other big names
Stan Bowles 0.30
Kevin Gallen & John Byrne 0.24
Dexter Blackstock 0.27
Peter Crouch 0.26 |
Although if you only do Charlie's first stint (Which I think is fair), he too is at 0.55 for league games, 0.54 if you include cup. I almost forget just HOW good he was first time around. | | | |
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| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 23:23 - May 27 with 327 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Statistically our best striker in the last 40 years? on 12:29 - May 27 by ed_83 |
Right, but how many of those sixteen players are centre forwards who would have been available on our budget, and been interested in coming here? A quick check on transfermarkt suggests that only Emil Riis, and maybe Josh Maja fit that criteria. Norwich spent 11 million quid on Andre Crnac, who ended up scoring one goal less than Frey did.
Dream all you like, but the financial realities are what they are: the market for Championship goalscorers has exploded, and we don't have enough money to compete, so we've had to buy cheap and hope we get lucky. You can criticise how we've approached that (Washington and Bonne, for example) or other clubs beating us to emerging talent. But when the market is stacked against you, you're inevitably going to end up with more misses than hits.
I also think you're applying a pretty rosy filter to the past: Les was a generational talent, but around the same time we also spent decent money on Mark Falco (£500k, 12 goals in his first season, no more than 5 subsequently), plus obvious dross like Mark Hateley and Mike Sheron. The idea that, Les aside, we used to have a conveyor belt of amazing strikers is pretty tenuous. Even if it was accurate, it's clear that the game's changed beyond all recognition since then. [Post edited 27 May 12:31]
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It's actually 34 players who outscored Frey - here's the list if you want to check and review your conclusions about the calibre of some of them.
https://www.tntsports.co.uk/football/championship/standingperson.shtml
What with his terrible fitness record on top, you'd have to have your footballing dreams in your boots to claim he's given good value (or as a good value as we can get/deserve).
I don't think I'm looking that rosily (?Rosalie) at past decades either.
Both the Allens (Bradley and Clive), Goddard, Gallen and Dichio cost us nowt (I didn't really rate Dichio that highly, but he still managed 1 in 3 in his 75 games). Ditto Ian Stewart (all right, he was a winger, but did so well and became a NI international with us, before going to Newcastle for a healthy fee).
Furlong was a free transfer from Birmingham.
Sir Les cost us a whopping £15k from Hayes. Also then eventually sold to Newcastle for a shedload of dosh (though still probaby less than we should have got).
The brilliantly entertaining John Byrne came in for £160k from York (and was sold to Le Havre for a 50% profit).
Gary Bannister cost £200k from Sheff Wed (56 goals in 130 odd games), also sold at a decent profit.
Other fans will, I'm sure, pick up one or two more names who were successfully scouted, developed and/or sold on for good money.
As I say, we just don't do any of that anymore, and haven't for some time. To pick up your own counter-thesis, Bonne and Dykes cost £4m between them, and we lost signficant money on both. As we know, Bonne managed a pathetic 3 goals in his 40-odd games, and spent most of his time offside and/or eating Jaffa Cakes (quite possibly at the same time).
In the 2020s, our strike 'forces' have included the likes of footballing luminaries like Marco Ramkilde (1 app, 0 goals), Ody Alfa (0 apps, 0 goals), Jamal Lowe (20 apps, 2 goals), and Sinclair Armstrong (64 apps, 3 goals). Before that, I give you Aramide Oteh (20 apps, 2 goals), Conor Washington (100 apps, 14 goals), and a slew of cringeworthy, non-scoring loans too painful to mention (alright, go on then, step forward and take an ill-earned bow Messrs Maiga, Doyle and Keane). As for Mo Shariff, who went onto great things with St Albans, Woking, Dagenham and Redbridge, and Hemel Hempstead (30 games and 1 goal for that motley crew), we'd have been better off with Omar Shariff (even if dead). And as for those Italian clowns brought in on Paladini's watch like Pellicori (10 apps, 1 goal) and di Carmine (33 apps, 3 goals), I'd be surprised if they were even legal or the players concerned were actually professional footballers.
I know there's been the odd moderate success in amongst that little lot, like the likeable Sylla, but if you think that record is anything other than extravagantly embarrassing, I don't know what to tell you.
Finally, if you're a fan who thinks football is only played on balance sheets, that would mean league tables would simply mirror income streams. Money helps, sure, but it isn't, and they don't. But my further point is that defeatism like that is what manages standards/expectations down and down and down (and also suits those at the club who have been institutionalised for their uselessness - mentioning no names, but I'm looking at you, Chris Ramsey, for one).
We need better, deserve better, should expect better. And, as I say, dream higher and harder. [Post edited 27 May 23:26]
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