| 20 mph on 18:52 - May 29 with 796 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| 20 mph on 18:45 - May 29 by SullutaCreturned |
Isn't "changing the way data is collected" just a cover all bases term for we are going to lie to you and when you ask awkward questions we'll just keep parroting that.
Then they relaease wide ranging data sets and claim they mean one thing when they could easily mean many things. They brush broad strokes and set out out a limited outcome that entirely suits their agenda.
So they mix 20 amd 30mph data together and claim it proves 20mph saved lives. |
To quote Drakeford " let's hope they don't notice".
If the data collection method changes, then any comparisons with other data should be treated with caution, a simple rule in statistics. |  |
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| 20 mph on 19:00 - May 29 with 772 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 20 mph on 18:51 - May 29 by Whiterockin |
The more intelligent can clearly see this meanwhile others just try to prove a point that isn't quantifiable. |
Thing is, I'm not that intelligent so if I can see it then what does that say about others?
Are they that dumb or os it just tunnel vision, whatever the Senedd does just parrot "but Westminster"? Or is it just blind loyalty to the Welsh Labour party? |  | | |
| 20 mph on 19:03 - May 29 with 762 views | Whiterockin |
| 20 mph on 19:00 - May 29 by SullutaCreturned |
Thing is, I'm not that intelligent so if I can see it then what does that say about others?
Are they that dumb or os it just tunnel vision, whatever the Senedd does just parrot "but Westminster"? Or is it just blind loyalty to the Welsh Labour party? |
Don't put yourself down Cat, you talk more sense than most on here. |  | | |
| 20 mph on 19:19 - May 29 with 737 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| 20 mph on 19:00 - May 29 by SullutaCreturned |
Thing is, I'm not that intelligent so if I can see it then what does that say about others?
Are they that dumb or os it just tunnel vision, whatever the Senedd does just parrot "but Westminster"? Or is it just blind loyalty to the Welsh Labour party? |
I have an old work colleague who now works as a barrister. He is as sharp and bright as can be. He says smart people don't consider themselves smart but they do notice when other people are stupid. | |
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| 20 mph on 19:28 - May 29 with 707 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 20 mph on 18:45 - May 29 by SullutaCreturned |
Isn't "changing the way data is collected" just a cover all bases term for we are going to lie to you and when you ask awkward questions we'll just keep parroting that.
Then they relaease wide ranging data sets and claim they mean one thing when they could easily mean many things. They brush broad strokes and set out out a limited outcome that entirely suits their agenda.
So they mix 20 amd 30mph data together and claim it proves 20mph saved lives. |
It saved 100 people.
This is a fact.
You are just guessing bollox. |  |
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| 20 mph on 19:30 - May 29 with 701 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 20 mph on 19:03 - May 29 by Whiterockin |
Don't put yourself down Cat, you talk more sense than most on here. |
In all fairness Cat is a very modest man ….. | |
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| 20 mph on 19:38 - May 29 with 682 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 20 mph on 18:44 - May 29 by Dr_Winston |
If there was conclusive proof that the 20mph limits were having an effect on safety the WG would be trumpeting it long and loud. The fact that they're trying to fudge the figures by including 30mph zones would suggest that there is no such thing. |
The figures are out there.
Maybe this video will aid your understanding….?
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| 20 mph on 19:40 - May 29 with 686 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| 20 mph on 19:38 - May 29 by Kilkennyjack |
The figures are out there.
Maybe this video will aid your understanding….?
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Good Grief.....Will Hayward! | |
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| 20 mph on 19:57 - May 29 with 663 views | Dr_Winston |
| 20 mph on 19:40 - May 29 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Good Grief.....Will Hayward! |
Innit.
Kilks letting someone like Hayward do his thinking for him explains a lot. |  |
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| 20 mph on 00:48 - May 30 with 572 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 20 mph on 19:57 - May 29 by Dr_Winston |
Innit.
Kilks letting someone like Hayward do his thinking for him explains a lot. |
Well he is a professional, whereas we are just moshers on a website.
There are levels to this game. | |
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| 20 mph on 09:58 - May 30 with 524 views | Boundy |
| 20 mph on 15:29 - May 29 by onehunglow |
One of the biggest causes of death on roads is drug driving
Thousands daily go to work having smoked dope the evening before thinking they are ok
They're not
We should confiscate and sell off vehicles of drink and drug drivers and those using their phones too
All three killers but we don't have the guts politically and that includes Plaid although I think they want us to go back to horse drawn carriages |
Speeders speed that's a fact regardless of the limit and "fatalities linked to drug driving on UK roads have increased by 164 per cent in less than a decade, from 47 in 2014 to 124 in 2023" but its still drinking which is the higher cause of accidents . It would seem that CCTV cameras have taken on the role of replacing and not supplementing policing on our roads and because of that the chances of being stopped by the police is minimal .We now have a Mayor in London now calling for smoking cannabis to be decriminalised which hopefully is dismissed out of hand , as most of us have experienced the smell of it which pervades everywhere, certainly where I live and the thought that many drivers are driving high appals me .
I agree caught driving whilst high then the vehicle should be seized maybe then that will focus the minds of those who think driving is a right not a privilege. | |
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| 20 mph on 10:03 - May 30 with 515 views | controversial_jack |
| 20 mph on 09:58 - May 30 by Boundy |
Speeders speed that's a fact regardless of the limit and "fatalities linked to drug driving on UK roads have increased by 164 per cent in less than a decade, from 47 in 2014 to 124 in 2023" but its still drinking which is the higher cause of accidents . It would seem that CCTV cameras have taken on the role of replacing and not supplementing policing on our roads and because of that the chances of being stopped by the police is minimal .We now have a Mayor in London now calling for smoking cannabis to be decriminalised which hopefully is dismissed out of hand , as most of us have experienced the smell of it which pervades everywhere, certainly where I live and the thought that many drivers are driving high appals me .
I agree caught driving whilst high then the vehicle should be seized maybe then that will focus the minds of those who think driving is a right not a privilege. |
De criminalizing it doesn't mean de discriminating driving under the influence, that's not what happens when it's been done. Neither is drug dealing. It's just for personal use. When you think of it, who has the right to tell anyone what they can eat drink or smoke - I don't smoke myself, so don't really care, but weed does stink horribly | | | |
| 20 mph on 12:36 - Jun 15 with 364 views | Whiterockin |
The roads in Swansea potentially reverting back.
There are 17 roads in Swansea that could potentially see their limits increased from 20mph to 30mph.
A48 – From Penllergaer to Pontlliw - From a point 60 metres south of Parc Penderi in Penllergaer to a point 60 metres south of Oaklands Road in Pontlliw.
B4295 – The Promenade, Penclawdd - From the current 30mph limit at a point 45 metres southwest of its junction with Graig-y-Coed west to its junction with Hall Lane.
B4296 – Pentre Road (Pontardulais) - From the current 30mph limit at a point 360 metres south of its junction with Park Terrace to a point 130 metres south of this junction.
B4296 – Pentre Road (Grovesend) - From the existing 30mph limit at a point 50 metres north of its junction with Clos Brynlliw, Grovesend south to a point 10 metres north of Clos Pengelli.
B4296 Coalbrook Road (Grovesend) - From the existing 30mph limit 420 metres north of its junction with Frampton Road northwards for a distance of 100 metres.
B4436 Mayals Road - From its junction with Mumbles Road west to the 40mph limit at a point 100 metres west of its junction with Curlew Close.
B4620 Swansea Road/ Carmarthen Road (Llewitha) - From the existing 40mph limit on Swansea Road 570 metres east of its junction with Hospital Road east to a point on Carmarthen Road 250 metres west of its junction with Ystrad Road.
B4603 Clydach Road - From a point 30 metres north of its junction with Field Close north to a point 50 metres south of its junction with Lanllienwen Road. From its junction with the northern kerbline of the junction 45 roundabout of the M4 north to a point 30 metres south of its junction with Christopher Road. From a point 20 metres southwest of its junction with Quarr Drive southwest for a distance of 690 metres.
Carmel Road - From a point 40 metres east of Colwyn Avenue to a point 50 metres west of Crymlyn Road.
Brynmill Lane - From its junction with Sketty Road southeast to its junction with Park Place.
Gors Avenue - From a point 10 metres west of its junction with Townhill Road to its junction with Carmarthen Road.
Townhill Road - From its junction with Gors Avenue to a point 10 metres west of its junction with Mayhill Road.
Heol Ddu - From a point 20 metres west of its junction with Llangyfelach Road west to the existing 40mph limit 20 metres southwest of its junction with Roger Street.
Heol y Cwmdu - From its junction with Carmarthen Road to a point 10 metres west of the access road to Parc Cwmdu.
Mynydd Newydd Road - From the existing 40mph limit 50 metres south of its junction with Penplas Road to a point 20 metres north of its junction with Broughton Avenue.
Pant Lasau Road - From the existing 40mph speed limit 113 metres southwest of the southern boundarybof the property known as Brynsirol northeast to a point 60 metres southwest of its junction with Heol Maes Eglwys.
Pentregethin Road - From its junction with Pontarddulais Road east then southeast to a point 10 metres southeast of Woodford Road. | | | |
| 20 mph on 12:41 - Jun 15 with 350 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
What a waste of money | |
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| 20 mph on 12:45 - Jun 15 with 330 views | Whiterockin |
Agreed. Mayals Road with an off road cycle path and pedestrian pavement with a grass verge and cycle path between pedestrians and road is just inexcusable. | | | |
| 20 mph on 14:10 - Jun 15 with 273 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 20 mph on 19:28 - May 29 by Kilkennyjack |
It saved 100 people.
This is a fact.
You are just guessing bollox. |
It is absolutely not a fact that the 20 zones saved lives because they mixed the data sets together so we don't know how many of the 100 wre in 20 zones and how many in 30. It could just have been down to a few months of better driving. | | | |
| 20 mph on 14:12 - Jun 15 with 270 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 20 mph on 19:03 - May 29 by Whiterockin |
Don't put yourself down Cat, you talk more sense than most on here. |
Thank you, WR. | | | |
| 20 mph on 14:17 - Jun 15 with 267 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 20 mph on 00:48 - May 30 by Kilkennyjack |
Well he is a professional, whereas we are just moshers on a website.
There are levels to this game. |
Being paid to do a job doesn't prove you are good at that job.
Lets face it, he works for Walesonline and their level is several below most other media outlets.
Tom Coleman, remember him and all that plagiarism that Keith has taken action over. | | | |
| 20 mph on 14:21 - Jun 15 with 259 views | union_jack |
| 20 mph on 14:10 - Jun 15 by SullutaCreturned |
It is absolutely not a fact that the 20 zones saved lives because they mixed the data sets together so we don't know how many of the 100 wre in 20 zones and how many in 30. It could just have been down to a few months of better driving. |
Look, he’s been told time after time but he has his own agenda. It’s no good trying to educate him because he is immune to understanding reason if it doesn’t chime with his beliefs. Wasting your time. |  |
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| 20 mph on 16:17 - Jun 15 with 217 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 20 mph on 14:21 - Jun 15 by union_jack |
Look, he’s been told time after time but he has his own agenda. It’s no good trying to educate him because he is immune to understanding reason if it doesn’t chime with his beliefs. Wasting your time. |
I consider myuself told...but you won't stop me   | | | |
| 20 mph on 16:32 - Jun 15 with 213 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| 20 mph on 14:10 - Jun 15 by SullutaCreturned |
It is absolutely not a fact that the 20 zones saved lives because they mixed the data sets together so we don't know how many of the 100 wre in 20 zones and how many in 30. It could just have been down to a few months of better driving. |
Someone mentioned that the way traffic accidents are measured and reported in Wales changed in 2023, trying to make comparisons between different data collection methods is problematic, let alone changing the data set.
The 20/30 mph data is another case of politicians trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the electorate. | |
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| 20 mph on 16:38 - Jun 15 with 196 views | Dr_Winston |
| 20 mph on 16:32 - Jun 15 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Someone mentioned that the way traffic accidents are measured and reported in Wales changed in 2023, trying to make comparisons between different data collection methods is problematic, let alone changing the data set.
The 20/30 mph data is another case of politicians trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the electorate. |
Trying and mostly succeeding. There are a lot of otherwise sensible people (in addition to the usual halfwits) who are buying this nonsense.
If there was clear, empirical evidence that the reduction to 20mph had had an effect, then they'd be shouting it from the rooftops. That they're attempting to fudge the issue with this 20/30 limit nonsense strongly suggests that no such thing exists. Indeed, it might even say the opposite. | |
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| 20 mph on 16:39 - Jun 15 with 192 views | union_jack |
| 20 mph on 16:17 - Jun 15 by SullutaCreturned |
I consider myuself told...but you won't stop me |
Don’t say I didn’t try😁 | |
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| 20 mph on 18:06 - Jun 15 with 137 views | onehunglow |
| 20 mph on 16:38 - Jun 15 by Dr_Winston |
Trying and mostly succeeding. There are a lot of otherwise sensible people (in addition to the usual halfwits) who are buying this nonsense.
If there was clear, empirical evidence that the reduction to 20mph had had an effect, then they'd be shouting it from the rooftops. That they're attempting to fudge the issue with this 20/30 limit nonsense strongly suggests that no such thing exists. Indeed, it might even say the opposite. |
I miss Lifeys dialogue with you | |
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| 20 mph on 20:35 - Jun 15 with 76 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 20 mph on 14:17 - Jun 15 by SullutaCreturned |
Being paid to do a job doesn't prove you are good at that job.
Lets face it, he works for Walesonline and their level is several below most other media outlets.
Tom Coleman, remember him and all that plagiarism that Keith has taken action over. |
Whataboutism | |
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