| 20 mph on 09:18 - May 29 with 928 views | onehunglow |
| 20 mph on 22:31 - May 28 by Luther27 |
He is or was a total disaster to say the least. An arrogant insufferable man who looked down his nose at the likes of me and you as being uneducated peasants if we had a singular thought that disagreed with his myopic views.
Politics is well rid of arrogance personified by that wretch. |
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Not at me he didn't
Why? Because I wouldn't let him
He was a chancer , a bullshitter and only in the position he was due to his contacts and Alma mater
However, I've shat on plenty of these types in my time
Many are acytually quite ignorant and they are so because of their stupid cloying upbringing
I find Starmer as smarmy
Rayner as thick
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| 20 mph on 09:34 - May 29 with 892 views | Whiterockin |
| 20 mph on 09:17 - May 29 by trampie |
I'm all for the 20 mph speed limit particular outside schools, hospitals, shopping areas, care homes, etc and have no issue with it in built up areas with lots of houses about. |
As I say in the right place. |  | | |
| 20 mph on 10:09 - May 29 with 855 views | Boundy |
| 20 mph on 09:17 - May 29 by trampie |
I'm all for the 20 mph speed limit particular outside schools, hospitals, shopping areas, care homes, etc and have no issue with it in built up areas with lots of houses about. |
I've never understood the rationale that the speed limit outside care homes ,hospitals should be lower than the mean average .most people I've ever known who are in care homes are infirm not known to wander the streets as are the patients inside a hospital.
Obviously for schools then yes but again why a blanket limit when for the exception of going to ,leaving and dinner time most are encased in the halls of knowledge. The monies wasted over the past 25 years of devolution would more than be enough to pay someone with a modicum of intelligence to have come up with a better policy than this | |
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| 20 mph on 10:29 - May 29 with 843 views | controversial_jack |
| 20 mph on 09:34 - May 29 by Whiterockin |
As I say in the right place. |
They are in the right places | | | |
| 20 mph on 10:31 - May 29 with 843 views | union_jack |
And also they are not. |  |
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| 20 mph on 10:50 - May 29 with 815 views | Whiterockin |
If that was the case why are some being changed back. I know you try to live up to your username, but sometimes you really make yourself look stupid. | | | |
| 20 mph on 13:02 - May 29 with 741 views | controversial_jack |
| 20 mph on 10:50 - May 29 by Whiterockin |
If that was the case why are some being changed back. I know you try to live up to your username, but sometimes you really make yourself look stupid. |
By that logic, there are places where they aren't but should be.
It's been an outstanding success. A policy i supported, so who looks stupid now? | | | |
| 20 mph on 13:19 - May 29 with 708 views | Whiterockin |
| 20 mph on 13:02 - May 29 by controversial_jack |
By that logic, there are places where they aren't but should be.
It's been an outstanding success. A policy i supported, so who looks stupid now? |
Your logic is flawed as usual. If it was an outstanding success Welsh Labour would have gained more support not lost it. You really must try harder, controversial you are not foolish you are. | | | |
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| 20 mph on 13:28 - May 29 with 689 views | controversial_jack |
| 20 mph on 13:19 - May 29 by Whiterockin |
Your logic is flawed as usual. If it was an outstanding success Welsh Labour would have gained more support not lost it. You really must try harder, controversial you are not foolish you are. |
I would call saving all those lives and accidents an outstanding success. You obviously have a different understanding and agenda | | | |
| 20 mph on 15:25 - May 29 with 609 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 20 mph on 13:19 - May 29 by Whiterockin |
Your logic is flawed as usual. If it was an outstanding success Welsh Labour would have gained more support not lost it. You really must try harder, controversial you are not foolish you are. |
Badly implemented and badly communicated does not make a good policy a bad policy.
100 people saved per year is good enough for me.
Plus the family impacts, nhs impacts and insurance costs.
Drakers knows stuff, thats why wales voted him back in. |  |
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| 20 mph on 15:29 - May 29 with 606 views | Whiterockin |
| 20 mph on 15:25 - May 29 by Kilkennyjack |
Badly implemented and badly communicated does not make a good policy a bad policy.
100 people saved per year is good enough for me.
Plus the family impacts, nhs impacts and insurance costs.
Drakers knows stuff, thats why wales voted him back in. |
He was voting back in before the 20mph debacle. He won't be voted back in after it. | | | |
| 20 mph on 15:29 - May 29 with 602 views | onehunglow |
| 20 mph on 15:25 - May 29 by Kilkennyjack |
Badly implemented and badly communicated does not make a good policy a bad policy.
100 people saved per year is good enough for me.
Plus the family impacts, nhs impacts and insurance costs.
Drakers knows stuff, thats why wales voted him back in. |
One of the biggest causes of death on roads is drug driving
Thousands daily go to work having smoked dope the evening before thinking they are ok
They're not
We should confiscate and sell off vehicles of drink and drug drivers and those using their phones too
All three killers but we don't have the guts politically and that includes Plaid although I think they want us to go back to horse drawn carriages | |
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| 20 mph on 16:58 - May 29 with 547 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 20 mph on 18:24 - May 28 by Kilkennyjack |
Wrong.
‘Statistics published by Welsh Government today (30 January 2025) show that around 100 fewer people were killed or seriously injured on roads with 20mph and 30mph road speed limits in the 12-month period following the introduction of the 20mph default speed limit’.
So the change made then saved 100 people from death or serious injury.
Maybe 100 lives does notmatter too much to you, but it works for me.
As i said, both the roll out and supporting comms were poor.
However, you should thank Drakers for the good this change has made.
A statue of Drakers with a 20 sign outside the Senedd is the obvious next step. God bless Drakers. |
Tell me then, how many of those saved were from the 20mph zone and how many from the 30? You can't because you don't know because they mixed the stats together.
What if the vast majority were from the 30 zones? That would mean the 20's weren't that effective and didn't save many lives at all.
That is why they muddied the figures so we couldn't see the whole truth and why did they do that?
Then take the money they would have saved if they'd only implemented it where needed instead of everywhere then having tpo spend even more to change signs back, that could be more than 10 million pounds, how many life saving operations would that have paid for? How many serious problems like people needein new joints, heart operations or cancer treatement might that have helped? | | | |
| 20 mph on 17:24 - May 29 with 512 views | controversial_jack |
| 20 mph on 16:58 - May 29 by SullutaCreturned |
Tell me then, how many of those saved were from the 20mph zone and how many from the 30? You can't because you don't know because they mixed the stats together.
What if the vast majority were from the 30 zones? That would mean the 20's weren't that effective and didn't save many lives at all.
That is why they muddied the figures so we couldn't see the whole truth and why did they do that?
Then take the money they would have saved if they'd only implemented it where needed instead of everywhere then having tpo spend even more to change signs back, that could be more than 10 million pounds, how many life saving operations would that have paid for? How many serious problems like people needein new joints, heart operations or cancer treatement might that have helped? |
The Extra lives saved would be from the 20mph zones, otherwise the figures would be same as before it was introduced. | | | |
| 20 mph on 18:01 - May 29 with 456 views | Kilkennyjack |
Its the only difference so its a valid assumption.
Nobody serious is challenging its validity.
The same fella cannot understand the polling is a multi billion dollar industry.
Its a fact but he reckons different.
Its a good enough comparuson.
Btw the reason it was inteoduced in the first place is that other areas had trued it and got simikar positive results.
Wales also got good results by copying a proven aporoach.
Its good news and realky not hard to understand.
Unless of course you dont want it to be good news and so will try to discredit the achievement.
Get on board the (slow) Drakers bus …. The man is an administrative genius. | |
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| 20 mph on 18:13 - May 29 with 448 views | Whiterockin |
| 20 mph on 17:24 - May 29 by controversial_jack |
The Extra lives saved would be from the 20mph zones, otherwise the figures would be same as before it was introduced. |
Why the figures were showing a downward trend before the 20mph introduction. In 2023 the way the data was collected changed. | | | |
| 20 mph on 18:25 - May 29 with 417 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 20 mph on 18:30 - May 28 by Kilkennyjack |
Well yes, there would have been a forward budget agreed to change the signs if the real world impact was not as anticipated. Thats just common sense.
(Google the Truss budget if you are concerned about the waste of public monies).
Personally i would have preffered a welsh region by region roll out so successes could be shared and lessons learned. But obviously the longer you wait then the more people are killed or seriously injured. |
Common sense? No, common sense would only have changed what needed changing and not wasted millions.
Even saying that there was no forward budget because they never intended changing speed limits back, not until more people than voted Labour signed that petitiion.
Personally I would rather they asked councils to identify eevery road that needed oit's speed limit changing and then just changing those. it wasn't about waiting longer, it was just about doing it right from the beginning. | | | |
| 20 mph on 18:27 - May 29 with 411 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
I wouldn't rely on politicians. |  |
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| 20 mph on 18:29 - May 29 with 407 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| 20 mph on 18:13 - May 29 by Whiterockin |
Why the figures were showing a downward trend before the 20mph introduction. In 2023 the way the data was collected changed. |
I'm glad someone has an understanding of the fundamentals of interpreting data. | |
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| 20 mph on 18:44 - May 29 with 387 views | Dr_Winston |
If there was conclusive proof that the 20mph limits were having an effect on safety the WG would be trumpeting it long and loud. The fact that they're trying to fudge the figures by including 30mph zones would suggest that there is no such thing. |  |
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| 20 mph on 18:45 - May 29 with 387 views | SullutaCreturned |
| 20 mph on 18:29 - May 29 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I'm glad someone has an understanding of the fundamentals of interpreting data. |
Isn't "changing the way data is collected" just a cover all bases term for we are going to lie to you and when you ask awkward questions we'll just keep parroting that.
Then they relaease wide ranging data sets and claim they mean one thing when they could easily mean many things. They brush broad strokes and set out out a limited outcome that entirely suits their agenda.
So they mix 20 amd 30mph data together and claim it proves 20mph saved lives. | | | |
| 20 mph on 18:50 - May 29 with 374 views | union_jack |
| 20 mph on 18:45 - May 29 by SullutaCreturned |
Isn't "changing the way data is collected" just a cover all bases term for we are going to lie to you and when you ask awkward questions we'll just keep parroting that.
Then they relaease wide ranging data sets and claim they mean one thing when they could easily mean many things. They brush broad strokes and set out out a limited outcome that entirely suits their agenda.
So they mix 20 amd 30mph data together and claim it proves 20mph saved lives. |
Ooh, you cynic!
Surely they wouldn’t hoodwink the public like that? No, I won’t believe it.
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| 20 mph on 18:51 - May 29 with 372 views | Whiterockin |
| 20 mph on 18:45 - May 29 by SullutaCreturned |
Isn't "changing the way data is collected" just a cover all bases term for we are going to lie to you and when you ask awkward questions we'll just keep parroting that.
Then they relaease wide ranging data sets and claim they mean one thing when they could easily mean many things. They brush broad strokes and set out out a limited outcome that entirely suits their agenda.
So they mix 20 amd 30mph data together and claim it proves 20mph saved lives. |
The more intelligent can clearly see this meanwhile others just try to prove a point that isn't quantifiable. | | | |
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