| Swansea City Centre 13:22 - May 31 with 5307 views | Landore_Jack |
What a disgrace the town centre has become. The council should hang their heads in shame. Yes, they are not responsible for online shopping but over the decades they have ruined the town centre with ridiculous vanity projects. Castle Square, Kingsway (Bendy Bus), former St Davids Shopping Centre, and the David Evans redevelopment. The town centre has become a no go zone was drug addicts everywhere. I didn't see any police. Too busy enforcing the 20 MPH speed limit (most probably). |  |
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| Swansea City Centre on 00:40 - Jun 5 with 999 views | Robbie |
| Swansea City Centre on 22:40 - Jun 4 by felixstowe_jack |
If you ever went to the Vetch field you could hardly miss County Hall. |
Swansea Prision and that car showroom way back in the day walking to the Nortb Back .
Rover or British Leyland cars on display , maybe Fletchers garages were that site then .
Will have a google later on . |  | | |
| Swansea City Centre on 07:33 - Jun 11 with 787 views | AnotherJohn |
| Swansea City Centre on 00:40 - Jun 5 by Robbie |
Swansea Prision and that car showroom way back in the day walking to the Nortb Back .
Rover or British Leyland cars on display , maybe Fletchers garages were that site then .
Will have a google later on . |
Going back to the state of the city centre and the feeling of some posters that we need tougher policing to move on rough sleepers, how will this be affected by our Government's plan to repeal the Vagrancy Act?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/scrapping-of-vagrancy-act-next-year-landma
As far as I can see, this means that the police no longer have the power to require that rough sleepers move anywhere. An activist journalist on Times Radio this morning praised the ending of this "cruel" law, and said that of course government will need to spend more money on helping these people. One wonders how much the magic money tree can produce. | | | |
| Swansea City Centre on 08:22 - Jun 11 with 733 views | Boundy |
| Swansea City Centre on 07:33 - Jun 11 by AnotherJohn |
Going back to the state of the city centre and the feeling of some posters that we need tougher policing to move on rough sleepers, how will this be affected by our Government's plan to repeal the Vagrancy Act?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/scrapping-of-vagrancy-act-next-year-landma
As far as I can see, this means that the police no longer have the power to require that rough sleepers move anywhere. An activist journalist on Times Radio this morning praised the ending of this "cruel" law, and said that of course government will need to spend more money on helping these people. One wonders how much the magic money tree can produce. |
I wonder but I think I already know the answer but how many of those "rough" sleepers have recently arrived in the UK. The magic money tree so far has produced millions to help a certain group but maybe not others. | |
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| Swansea City Centre on 09:46 - Jun 11 with 692 views | Dr_Winston |
The problem for a significant proportion of those sleeping rough, perhaps the majority, is not a lack of places for them to stay, it's the restrictions that come attached to them.
Many prefer to stay on the streets. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Swansea City Centre on 14:56 - Jun 11 with 584 views | AnotherJohn |
Same link as I posted via a different URL? I've long had the impression people don't bother to click on relevant links. | | | |
| Swansea City Centre on 17:19 - Jun 11 with 539 views | Gwyn737 |
| Swansea City Centre on 14:56 - Jun 11 by AnotherJohn |
Same link as I posted via a different URL? I've long had the impression people don't bother to click on relevant links. |
A quick lunchtime look at the site for me so not a lot of time to read back on this occasion.
My thoughts on the article still stand - repealing a two hundred year law that criminalises homelessness while ensuring that the antisocial elements go into 5he new policing bill seems sensible. | | | |
| Swansea City Centre on 18:57 - Jun 11 with 490 views | AnotherJohn |
| Swansea City Centre on 17:19 - Jun 11 by Gwyn737 |
A quick lunchtime look at the site for me so not a lot of time to read back on this occasion.
My thoughts on the article still stand - repealing a two hundred year law that criminalises homelessness while ensuring that the antisocial elements go into 5he new policing bill seems sensible. |
We'll see. The Government seems to be pinning its hopes on a new "Respect Order" introduced by the Crime and Policing Bill. Unlike with an ASB civil injunction, breaching a Respect Order will be a criminal offense. My worry is that there are a lot of steps to take before you get to the point where such an offense is in play. The police or local authority have have first to establish that such a Respect Order is appropriate and apply to a Magistrates Court for the order to be made, all the while keeping tabs on an individual of uncertain address. Later, when monitoring behaviour in a city centre, they need to establish that a trouble maker is subject to an order. Only at that stage could they proceed to an arrest. I suspect that it would not be feasible to remand such persons in custody after they were charged, and again there is the problem of maintaining contact with somebody of no fixed address while they potentially breach the order again. Alongside this there will still be the existing CBOs for people already convicted of an offense who can then be banned from a local area and face a new charge if they don't comply. It seems that just sleeping rough without being involved in additional ASB is not an offense. Is this going to deter the individuals we see making a nuisance of themselves in the centre of Swansea? Interested to hear what others think.
Extracts from legislative notes:
Respect orders
Clause 1 would create respect orders, a new type of civil order that could be
imposed on adults who had engaged or threatened to engage in anti-social
behaviour.
Background
The Labour Party committed to introduce new ‘respect orders’ in its 2024
general election manifesto, to “to ban persistent adult offenders from town
centres” and to “stamp out issues such as public drinking and drug use”.1 The
government re-committed to introducing the new order in the background
notes to the King’s Speech in July 2024.
Respect orders would partially replace anti-social behaviour civil injunctions,
provided for under part 1 of the Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act
2014. They would sit alongside criminal behaviour orders (see box 1).
The police, local authorities and some other specified agencies can apply to
the courts to impose an anti-social behaviour civil injunction.3 The court can
impose an injunction on any individual aged 10 or over, where it is satisfied
that ‘on the balance of probabilities’ (the civil standard of proof) they have or
will commit anti-social behaviour. (...)
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| Swansea City Centre on 19:57 - Jun 11 with 453 views | Gwyn737 |
| Swansea City Centre on 18:57 - Jun 11 by AnotherJohn |
We'll see. The Government seems to be pinning its hopes on a new "Respect Order" introduced by the Crime and Policing Bill. Unlike with an ASB civil injunction, breaching a Respect Order will be a criminal offense. My worry is that there are a lot of steps to take before you get to the point where such an offense is in play. The police or local authority have have first to establish that such a Respect Order is appropriate and apply to a Magistrates Court for the order to be made, all the while keeping tabs on an individual of uncertain address. Later, when monitoring behaviour in a city centre, they need to establish that a trouble maker is subject to an order. Only at that stage could they proceed to an arrest. I suspect that it would not be feasible to remand such persons in custody after they were charged, and again there is the problem of maintaining contact with somebody of no fixed address while they potentially breach the order again. Alongside this there will still be the existing CBOs for people already convicted of an offense who can then be banned from a local area and face a new charge if they don't comply. It seems that just sleeping rough without being involved in additional ASB is not an offense. Is this going to deter the individuals we see making a nuisance of themselves in the centre of Swansea? Interested to hear what others think.
Extracts from legislative notes:
Respect orders
Clause 1 would create respect orders, a new type of civil order that could be
imposed on adults who had engaged or threatened to engage in anti-social
behaviour.
Background
The Labour Party committed to introduce new ‘respect orders’ in its 2024
general election manifesto, to “to ban persistent adult offenders from town
centres” and to “stamp out issues such as public drinking and drug use”.1 The
government re-committed to introducing the new order in the background
notes to the King’s Speech in July 2024.
Respect orders would partially replace anti-social behaviour civil injunctions,
provided for under part 1 of the Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act
2014. They would sit alongside criminal behaviour orders (see box 1).
The police, local authorities and some other specified agencies can apply to
the courts to impose an anti-social behaviour civil injunction.3 The court can
impose an injunction on any individual aged 10 or over, where it is satisfied
that ‘on the balance of probabilities’ (the civil standard of proof) they have or
will commit anti-social behaviour. (...)
[Post edited 11 Jun 19:09]
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I think I read begging was in there somewhere too. | | | |
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