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Another ill thought out policy 10:49 - Jun 12 with 3798 viewsWhiterockin

Is another u turn just around the corner. In the end we are going to pay for these errors of judgment.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/labour-ideological-attack-private-schools-back
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Another ill thought out policy on 07:41 - Aug 5 with 830 viewsWhiterockin

Another ill thought out policy on 07:26 - Aug 5 by Gwyn737

It’s really hard to know what to do.

I’ve got a 15 year old who isn’t mega academic but can get by reasonably comfortably. He’ll do A levels and wants to do History, PE and probably Biology.

No idea what next though and I haven’t got a clue what to advise him.

The only thought he has is to go into teaching but that’s probably the only thing I’m desperate not to happen.


I know someone who wanted to be a sports analyst and did the relevant University degree only to find that the positions were difficult to find. AI is now analysing the data and data analysts are crunching the numbers to provide the specific information. The data analysts will soon be obsolete when AI overtakes this. I can see the day when you don't need a GP, you rarely see one anyway. Just feed the symptoms into a computer and answer the questions a doctor would ask and out pops your prescription.
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Another ill thought out policy on 07:45 - Aug 5 with 822 viewsDr_Winston

In about 10-15 years, plumbers, or any skilled trade, will be earning as much as management accountants. That's my prediction. Not enough youngsters have done proper apprenticeships to fill the gaps of those ageing and retiring. Any job that can't be done by AI or be replaced by some other automatic process will attract a premium.

In the last 20-25 years too much emphasis has been put on further/higher education at the expense of trades and vocational training, and it's beginning to tell. We got away with it for a while due to Eastern European migration, but as a lot of those (particularly the Poles) have started returning home gaps will begin to appear.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Another ill thought out policy on 07:56 - Aug 5 with 806 viewsWhiterockin

Another ill thought out policy on 07:45 - Aug 5 by Dr_Winston

In about 10-15 years, plumbers, or any skilled trade, will be earning as much as management accountants. That's my prediction. Not enough youngsters have done proper apprenticeships to fill the gaps of those ageing and retiring. Any job that can't be done by AI or be replaced by some other automatic process will attract a premium.

In the last 20-25 years too much emphasis has been put on further/higher education at the expense of trades and vocational training, and it's beginning to tell. We got away with it for a while due to Eastern European migration, but as a lot of those (particularly the Poles) have started returning home gaps will begin to appear.


Spot on in my opinion. The advice we are giving our grandchildren is seriously think about a career where you can't be replaced by AI. It sees that many jobs types are going to disappear, the whole world of employment is going to change. Education facilities are not gearing up for this and are pushing further education/university because it suits their own employment opportunities.
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Another ill thought out policy on 08:03 - Aug 5 with 779 viewsDr_Winston

Another ill thought out policy on 07:56 - Aug 5 by Whiterockin

Spot on in my opinion. The advice we are giving our grandchildren is seriously think about a career where you can't be replaced by AI. It sees that many jobs types are going to disappear, the whole world of employment is going to change. Education facilities are not gearing up for this and are pushing further education/university because it suits their own employment opportunities.


Absolutely.

It's going to decimate the Civil Service as far as I can see. An awful lot of what is done in my department can easily be replaced in time.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Another ill thought out policy on 15:32 - Aug 5 with 667 viewsWhiterockin

Another ill thought out policy on 07:22 - Aug 5 by Gwyn737

Teacher recruitment is not going well but that issue goes much wider than pay.

To date (in England) 44 private schools have closed so with falling birth rate the effect has been negligible.

Too many school spaces are the problem at the minute.


It looks like the government will not get all the revenue they anticipated.

Parents pay £500m to beat private school VAT raid https://share.google/JomAxOhHTbKo9oEgk
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Another ill thought out policy on 16:44 - Aug 5 with 639 viewsDr_Winston

Another ill thought out policy on 15:32 - Aug 5 by Whiterockin

It looks like the government will not get all the revenue they anticipated.

Parents pay £500m to beat private school VAT raid https://share.google/JomAxOhHTbKo9oEgk


A Labour tax grab blowing up in their faces? That's unusual.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Another ill thought out policy on 17:17 - Aug 5 with 625 viewsGwyn737

Another ill thought out policy on 15:32 - Aug 5 by Whiterockin

It looks like the government will not get all the revenue they anticipated.

Parents pay £500m to beat private school VAT raid https://share.google/JomAxOhHTbKo9oEgk


That’s delay things for sure but blows another hole in the numbers dropping thing, which ironically the Telegraph has been hawking non stop!
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Another ill thought out policy on 17:42 - Aug 5 with 607 viewsWhiterockin

Another ill thought out policy on 17:17 - Aug 5 by Gwyn737

That’s delay things for sure but blows another hole in the numbers dropping thing, which ironically the Telegraph has been hawking non stop!


In fairness Gwyn I did tell you that this was happening at the time. It's even costing the government more because of the amount they have to pay the schools for specialist education. Then there is the 90% the forces pay for any child to have private education. Plus business are adding private education as part of a package like health insurance, therefore increasing their overheads and reducing their tax bill. Wait and see how this pans out it will be a financial disaster.
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Another ill thought out policy on 17:53 - Aug 5 with 596 viewsGwyn737

Another ill thought out policy on 17:42 - Aug 5 by Whiterockin

In fairness Gwyn I did tell you that this was happening at the time. It's even costing the government more because of the amount they have to pay the schools for specialist education. Then there is the 90% the forces pay for any child to have private education. Plus business are adding private education as part of a package like health insurance, therefore increasing their overheads and reducing their tax bill. Wait and see how this pans out it will be a financial disaster.


There’s a lot to unpack there, WR.

I don’t know of any specialist SEN private schools that have closed.

I’ve not heard of forces families being entitled to a private education - I’ll have to read up.

If the concern is for school closing, the surely business adding it to benefits is a good thing? I cant imagine it’s too common yet as opening/closures are in line typically years.
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Another ill thought out policy on 18:03 - Aug 5 with 576 viewsWhiterockin

Another ill thought out policy on 17:53 - Aug 5 by Gwyn737

There’s a lot to unpack there, WR.

I don’t know of any specialist SEN private schools that have closed.

I’ve not heard of forces families being entitled to a private education - I’ll have to read up.

If the concern is for school closing, the surely business adding it to benefits is a good thing? I cant imagine it’s too common yet as opening/closures are in line typically years.


My point was the aim was to raise tax revenue, they haven't calculated the net tax loss or the extra expenditure for government through other costs.
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(No subject) (n/t) on 18:29 - Aug 5 with 544 viewsGwyn737

Another ill thought out policy on 18:03 - Aug 5 by Whiterockin

My point was the aim was to raise tax revenue, they haven't calculated the net tax loss or the extra expenditure for government through other costs.


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Another ill thought out policy on 18:44 - Aug 5 with 531 viewsmajorraglan

Another ill thought out policy on 18:03 - Aug 5 by Whiterockin

My point was the aim was to raise tax revenue, they haven't calculated the net tax loss or the extra expenditure for government through other costs.


The payment in advance is only benefitting the very wealthy because they are the only ones who can pay in advance. The additional tax revenue will be less than initially anticipated, but it’s still going to be substantial.

The Telegraph have been going on about the closure of private schools and blaming the government, but in many cases the closures have nothing to do with this government. Some were previously announced, some are schools which have received poor inspection reports, some have had falling number quite a while and have become unviable because they are well below capacity, it’s been that way for a while and the losses are mounting.
A number of years ago someone I know put their child into a private school. They were shocked when they were called in to a parents meeting to learn that the school was skint and that it would close at the end of term, so private schools closing is nothing new (especially as the number of children entering education is decreasing) however in this case a seriously wealthy parent got his cheque book out and bailed the school out!
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Another ill thought out policy on 20:31 - Aug 5 with 512 viewsGwyn737

Another ill thought out policy on 18:44 - Aug 5 by majorraglan

The payment in advance is only benefitting the very wealthy because they are the only ones who can pay in advance. The additional tax revenue will be less than initially anticipated, but it’s still going to be substantial.

The Telegraph have been going on about the closure of private schools and blaming the government, but in many cases the closures have nothing to do with this government. Some were previously announced, some are schools which have received poor inspection reports, some have had falling number quite a while and have become unviable because they are well below capacity, it’s been that way for a while and the losses are mounting.
A number of years ago someone I know put their child into a private school. They were shocked when they were called in to a parents meeting to learn that the school was skint and that it would close at the end of term, so private schools closing is nothing new (especially as the number of children entering education is decreasing) however in this case a seriously wealthy parent got his cheque book out and bailed the school out!


Looked at the figures reported - £515 million has been paid in as advance so about 8% of the pupils.

I think the story was run by Guido Fawkes then picked up by the Telegraph.

I’ve still yet to see a private SEN school that has closed.
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Another ill thought out policy on 21:09 - Aug 5 with 489 viewsWhiterockin

Another ill thought out policy on 20:31 - Aug 5 by Gwyn737

Looked at the figures reported - £515 million has been paid in as advance so about 8% of the pupils.

I think the story was run by Guido Fawkes then picked up by the Telegraph.

I’ve still yet to see a private SEN school that has closed.
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You could always check here.

https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/labour-vat-private-school-closures-2025/
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Another ill thought out policy on 21:13 - Aug 5 with 476 viewsGwyn737

Another ill thought out policy on 21:09 - Aug 5 by Whiterockin

You could always check here.

https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/labour-vat-private-school-closures-2025/


There’s no named SEN schools in there and the 50 closures are completely in line with the normal churn.

My agreement with the tax isn’t that it’ll make a fortune, it’s the fact that the exemption was due to the schools having charitable status.

I don’t feel that should be set as charities. Some may do some outreach work but that’s not my experience.
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Another ill thought out policy on 22:11 - Aug 5 with 423 viewsWhiterockin

Another ill thought out policy on 21:13 - Aug 5 by Gwyn737

There’s no named SEN schools in there and the 50 closures are completely in line with the normal churn.

My agreement with the tax isn’t that it’ll make a fortune, it’s the fact that the exemption was due to the schools having charitable status.

I don’t feel that should be set as charities. Some may do some outreach work but that’s not my experience.


If there were no private schools tomorrow do you think the state system could cope with the influx of pupils. The private education sector is subsidising the state sector and saving the country money, exactly the same as private health lessens the burden on the NHS. Both should have tax breaks because individuals are paying private and still paying into the public sector.
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Another ill thought out policy on 22:51 - Aug 5 with 370 viewsmajorraglan

Another ill thought out policy on 21:09 - Aug 5 by Whiterockin

You could always check here.

https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/labour-vat-private-school-closures-2025/


There’s a lot of detail missing from that report. Some of the schools which have closed or are closing are blaming the VAT, but they have struggled financially for a number of years and are operating on numbers well below their capacity. A school operating on less than 60% of its maximum number is going to experience a lot of fiscal turbulence.

Business Matters magazine is owned by a guy who was formerly a member of the Conservative Party.
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Another ill thought out policy on 22:56 - Aug 5 with 355 viewsGwyn737

Another ill thought out policy on 22:11 - Aug 5 by Whiterockin

If there were no private schools tomorrow do you think the state system could cope with the influx of pupils. The private education sector is subsidising the state sector and saving the country money, exactly the same as private health lessens the burden on the NHS. Both should have tax breaks because individuals are paying private and still paying into the public sector.


That would be too many for stare schools to cope but there’s nothing in the data to suggest that’ll happen.

This year, more private school have opened than have closed.
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Another ill thought out policy on 15:43 - Aug 6 with 219 viewsSullutaCreturned

Another ill thought out policy on 07:45 - Aug 5 by Dr_Winston

In about 10-15 years, plumbers, or any skilled trade, will be earning as much as management accountants. That's my prediction. Not enough youngsters have done proper apprenticeships to fill the gaps of those ageing and retiring. Any job that can't be done by AI or be replaced by some other automatic process will attract a premium.

In the last 20-25 years too much emphasis has been put on further/higher education at the expense of trades and vocational training, and it's beginning to tell. We got away with it for a while due to Eastern European migration, but as a lot of those (particularly the Poles) have started returning home gaps will begin to appear.


I'd say the gaps are well past starting to appear. My compnay has trouble recruiting trades and has restarted apprenticeships. The shortage has been there for at least 3 years now.

My son has chosen to di Vehicle body repair in college, he's been told there's a shortage there because kids are just not doing it and even as an apprentice he can earn in excess of 35k, AI won't replace him though it may be used in design.

AI is going to cause chaos in my opinion. We've already seen criminals using it, now they can "clone" your voice and they have succewfully scammed family members in the USA, one mother losing 15000dollars after her "daughter" rang her saying she needed bail. It wasn't her daughter but the 15 k had vanished.

That door has been opened now and I think humanity will live to regret it, it may not be a Terminator scenario but bad things will happen with AI, the crims are on it.
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Another ill thought out policy on 15:55 - Aug 6 with 204 viewsWhiterockin

Another ill thought out policy on 15:43 - Aug 6 by SullutaCreturned

I'd say the gaps are well past starting to appear. My compnay has trouble recruiting trades and has restarted apprenticeships. The shortage has been there for at least 3 years now.

My son has chosen to di Vehicle body repair in college, he's been told there's a shortage there because kids are just not doing it and even as an apprentice he can earn in excess of 35k, AI won't replace him though it may be used in design.

AI is going to cause chaos in my opinion. We've already seen criminals using it, now they can "clone" your voice and they have succewfully scammed family members in the USA, one mother losing 15000dollars after her "daughter" rang her saying she needed bail. It wasn't her daughter but the 15 k had vanished.

That door has been opened now and I think humanity will live to regret it, it may not be a Terminator scenario but bad things will happen with AI, the crims are on it.


IMO but I would like Keith's opinion, AI could see the death of sites like this or at least hit them very hard. Do a normal Google search and it gives you information and a link to websites. Do an AI search and Google and it may give you the information and credit the site but no link to the site. Without traffic the sites don't generate revenue.
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Another ill thought out policy on 17:19 - Aug 6 with 178 viewsDr_Winston

Another ill thought out policy on 15:43 - Aug 6 by SullutaCreturned

I'd say the gaps are well past starting to appear. My compnay has trouble recruiting trades and has restarted apprenticeships. The shortage has been there for at least 3 years now.

My son has chosen to di Vehicle body repair in college, he's been told there's a shortage there because kids are just not doing it and even as an apprentice he can earn in excess of 35k, AI won't replace him though it may be used in design.

AI is going to cause chaos in my opinion. We've already seen criminals using it, now they can "clone" your voice and they have succewfully scammed family members in the USA, one mother losing 15000dollars after her "daughter" rang her saying she needed bail. It wasn't her daughter but the 15 k had vanished.

That door has been opened now and I think humanity will live to regret it, it may not be a Terminator scenario but bad things will happen with AI, the crims are on it.


I certainly wouldn't dispute that. People at the sharp end such as yourself would be noticing it now. Three years certainly is about the right timescale. As I said, many Eastern Europeans have started moving home, especially at the tail end of Covid.

Your average member of the public might not begin to understand the depth of the problem until even basic bits of home maintenance start quadrupling in both cost and wait times.

AI has the potential to do wondrous things, but there are a lot of pitfalls to it. Certainly in the labour market. A lot of white collars may find themselves getting dirty.
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Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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