| REFORM POLICIES 10:31 - Jun 18 with 911 views | johnlangy |
Whenever I see Reform politicians being questioned about their policies they never answer the question as to how they will manage to implement them. As there appear to be a number of members of this forum either considering or actually going to vote for them next year perhaps you could explain how they are going to achieve these things.
I'll start with two questions. Please feel free to come up with others as i'm sure we'd all like answers.
1 - Raising the tax free threshold to £20,000. How will they fund the loss of £50 billion in tax revenue ?
2 - Stopping the small boats. How will they do it ? |  | | |  |
| REFORM POLICIES on 11:07 - Jun 18 with 777 views | union_jack |
The same as any other fringe or mainstream party then John.
The thing is that the other major parties in Wales have peed on their chips to differing degrees. Reform are a populist party who are approaching issues close to many’s hearts and will get votes because of that. Enough for a majority in Wales? Well, doubtful but I think whatever side if the fence you sit, a reset is needed. |  |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 12:10 - Jun 18 with 724 views | Scotia |
How will they fund any of their policies?
Who are their candidates for the Senedd elections?
Who will do the jobs currently done by non essential immigrants? | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 12:32 - Jun 18 with 711 views | Boundy |
| REFORM POLICIES on 12:10 - Jun 18 by Scotia |
How will they fund any of their policies?
Who are their candidates for the Senedd elections?
Who will do the jobs currently done by non essential immigrants? |
How will Labour fair if they continue upon this path ? are the Tories a viable option, I can survive without some random guy on an electric bike delivering food I can cook for myself ,obviously others can't + if they're "non essential" why do we need them ?
I'm sure all will be revealed to those who want to see what they have to offer ,there's plenty of links out there. | |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 13:24 - Jun 18 with 686 views | Scotia |
| REFORM POLICIES on 12:32 - Jun 18 by Boundy |
How will Labour fair if they continue upon this path ? are the Tories a viable option, I can survive without some random guy on an electric bike delivering food I can cook for myself ,obviously others can't + if they're "non essential" why do we need them ?
I'm sure all will be revealed to those who want to see what they have to offer ,there's plenty of links out there. |
The delivery guy is potentially working illegally, having sub let the delivery app from someone else.
The non essential immigrants we'll have to do without in a Reform government are social care workers, warehouse workers, factory workers, agricultural workers etc.
The economy depends on them. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 13:39 - Jun 18 with 670 views | Gwyn737 |
They have the huge advantage of being not being in power before so have never made any mistakes and are unaccountable for anything. For now. Time in local government may or may not flag things to people.
The DOGE stuff they've got going on is farcical but even this may not swing voters because quite frankly it's not particulary interesting stuff.
I still stand by using 'they've got to be better from the other lot' as a reason for voting doesn't really work unless the polices are clear and available. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 14:08 - Jun 18 with 653 views | Scotia |
| REFORM POLICIES on 13:39 - Jun 18 by Gwyn737 |
They have the huge advantage of being not being in power before so have never made any mistakes and are unaccountable for anything. For now. Time in local government may or may not flag things to people.
The DOGE stuff they've got going on is farcical but even this may not swing voters because quite frankly it's not particulary interesting stuff.
I still stand by using 'they've got to be better from the other lot' as a reason for voting doesn't really work unless the polices are clear and available. |
This is from my Wife's professional body. I know I've posted it before.
https://basw.co.uk/about-social-work/psw-magazine/articles/reform-councillors-ag
This is a bit of a red flag as far as I'm concerned. Imagine this on a national scales. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 15:06 - Jun 18 with 614 views | Kilkennyjack |
Its a clown show, isn’t it ?
Who is the Reform Leader in Wales ?
The previous fella, well ….. ?
Farage never stopped a boat in his life.
Farage has confirmed they are pro/Senedd though, that will disappoint a fair few on here.
Lets be honest they will get the old Tory vote plus a couple. Thats it. |  |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 15:32 - Jun 18 with 593 views | SullutaCreturned |
I've already done this, John. I asked people how they can vote for Reform when they wouldn't vote Tory.
I asked how they could vote for a party with no policies, not oine that anyone knows about.
Then I asked about the promises they'd made and told people that standing in wales on those promises was nonsense because winning the Senedd eledtions wouldn NOT give them the power to make good on those promises.
Some said they'd wait until the manifesto came out but lets face it, how much of any manifesto is put into practise? A good chunk of it is always quietly forgotten aboutor, as with Starmer, put down as an "ambition" rather than a definite policy.
Other parties, we know what they stand for, we lnow what to expect from Labour, we know what Plaid stand for and we know the tories too. But REFORM, they are just a binch of blusterers hoping to fool the people.
Not to compare Farage to Hitler but stand there blustering and blaming people (like immigrants) for all our woes, making promises they can't keep. It's similar. | | | |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 15:46 - Jun 18 with 560 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM POLICIES on 15:32 - Jun 18 by SullutaCreturned |
I've already done this, John. I asked people how they can vote for Reform when they wouldn't vote Tory.
I asked how they could vote for a party with no policies, not oine that anyone knows about.
Then I asked about the promises they'd made and told people that standing in wales on those promises was nonsense because winning the Senedd eledtions wouldn NOT give them the power to make good on those promises.
Some said they'd wait until the manifesto came out but lets face it, how much of any manifesto is put into practise? A good chunk of it is always quietly forgotten aboutor, as with Starmer, put down as an "ambition" rather than a definite policy.
Other parties, we know what they stand for, we lnow what to expect from Labour, we know what Plaid stand for and we know the tories too. But REFORM, they are just a binch of blusterers hoping to fool the people.
Not to compare Farage to Hitler but stand there blustering and blaming people (like immigrants) for all our woes, making promises they can't keep. It's similar. |
You have to ask how Reform are still gaining momentum against the more established parties. It's because the other parties have had their chance and screwed up, the public have had enough. |  | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 15:53 - Jun 18 with 543 views | Scotia |
| REFORM POLICIES on 15:46 - Jun 18 by Whiterockin |
You have to ask how Reform are still gaining momentum against the more established parties. It's because the other parties have had their chance and screwed up, the public have had enough. |
They're saying what people want to hear, and people aren't questioning if what they are saying is possible to deliver. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 16:33 - Jun 18 with 505 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM POLICIES on 15:46 - Jun 18 by Whiterockin |
You have to ask how Reform are still gaining momentum against the more established parties. It's because the other parties have had their chance and screwed up, the public have had enough. |
As I said, shades of the Weimar republic, people have had enough and somebody is shouting loudly they have the answers bit without actually giving any genuine answers, it's all blather and false promises.
Just be grateful a loaf of bread doesn't cost a wheelbarrow full of cash though there is certainly a growing antisemitic feeling. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 16:36 - Jun 18 with 503 views | Gwyn737 |
| REFORM POLICIES on 16:33 - Jun 18 by SullutaCreturned |
As I said, shades of the Weimar republic, people have had enough and somebody is shouting loudly they have the answers bit without actually giving any genuine answers, it's all blather and false promises.
Just be grateful a loaf of bread doesn't cost a wheelbarrow full of cash though there is certainly a growing antisemitic feeling. |
The term I like for these sort of populist movements/leaders is 'excellent diagnosticians, poor physicians ' | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 16:44 - Jun 18 with 493 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM POLICIES on 16:36 - Jun 18 by Gwyn737 |
The term I like for these sort of populist movements/leaders is 'excellent diagnosticians, poor physicians ' |
That's me that is, I can see what the problem is I just don't have any answers  | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 17:58 - Jun 18 with 451 views | johnlangy |
| REFORM POLICIES on 15:32 - Jun 18 by SullutaCreturned |
I've already done this, John. I asked people how they can vote for Reform when they wouldn't vote Tory.
I asked how they could vote for a party with no policies, not oine that anyone knows about.
Then I asked about the promises they'd made and told people that standing in wales on those promises was nonsense because winning the Senedd eledtions wouldn NOT give them the power to make good on those promises.
Some said they'd wait until the manifesto came out but lets face it, how much of any manifesto is put into practise? A good chunk of it is always quietly forgotten aboutor, as with Starmer, put down as an "ambition" rather than a definite policy.
Other parties, we know what they stand for, we lnow what to expect from Labour, we know what Plaid stand for and we know the tories too. But REFORM, they are just a binch of blusterers hoping to fool the people.
Not to compare Farage to Hitler but stand there blustering and blaming people (like immigrants) for all our woes, making promises they can't keep. It's similar. |
Fair comment cat. It does seem incredibly odd that people who would die before voting Tory would say they are going to vote Reform who are even more right wing.
I just thought there may be some potential Reform voters out there who may provide some kind of answer as to how they believe Reform could achieve what they are promising because sure as hell the Reform politicians aren't.
At the same time it does no harm to have these conversations regularly which highlight how ridiculous are the promises they are making. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 18:39 - Jun 18 with 406 views | Flashberryjack |
| REFORM POLICIES on 17:58 - Jun 18 by johnlangy |
Fair comment cat. It does seem incredibly odd that people who would die before voting Tory would say they are going to vote Reform who are even more right wing.
I just thought there may be some potential Reform voters out there who may provide some kind of answer as to how they believe Reform could achieve what they are promising because sure as hell the Reform politicians aren't.
At the same time it does no harm to have these conversations regularly which highlight how ridiculous are the promises they are making. |
That's all reform need to do is promise the voters everything they want to hear, then change their minds, it worked for Starmer. |  |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 21:37 - Jun 18 with 324 views | Scotia |
Doesn't seem like any of the questions can be answered? | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 22:32 - Jun 18 with 295 views | AnotherJohn |
| REFORM POLICIES on 16:36 - Jun 18 by Gwyn737 |
The term I like for these sort of populist movements/leaders is 'excellent diagnosticians, poor physicians ' |
A senior medical consultant known to me maintains that all physicians should do is diagnose. He claims that treatment can be delegated to other members of the care team and that the art of clinical practice centres on skilful diagnosis. Obviously this doesn't apply to surgeons. I don't really agree with my acquaintance, but diagnosis is probably the skill most difficult to incorporate into the kind of codification you get in evidence-based medicine or AI-based decision support. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 06:09 - Jun 19 with 233 views | Gwyn737 |
| REFORM POLICIES on 22:32 - Jun 18 by AnotherJohn |
A senior medical consultant known to me maintains that all physicians should do is diagnose. He claims that treatment can be delegated to other members of the care team and that the art of clinical practice centres on skilful diagnosis. Obviously this doesn't apply to surgeons. I don't really agree with my acquaintance, but diagnosis is probably the skill most difficult to incorporate into the kind of codification you get in evidence-based medicine or AI-based decision support. |
That makes a lot of sense in me since where in most cases there’s a disease/ailment and a cure.
In politics, ideology means that correlation and causation are sometimes conveniently misunderstood or misused, and in the case of populists, oversimplified. [Post edited 19 Jun 6:10]
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| REFORM POLICIES on 08:22 - Jun 19 with 174 views | Boundy |
| REFORM POLICIES on 16:33 - Jun 18 by SullutaCreturned |
As I said, shades of the Weimar republic, people have had enough and somebody is shouting loudly they have the answers bit without actually giving any genuine answers, it's all blather and false promises.
Just be grateful a loaf of bread doesn't cost a wheelbarrow full of cash though there is certainly a growing antisemitic feeling. |
I'm not sure how you can equate antisemitism with a thread about Reform policies, now that's a totally different subject unless of course you have evidence hearsay or not .
Maybe its about time the loudest who are the voters of this country (not the politicians) who've been lied to ,taxed to high heaven and generally taken for fools for far too long were heard and if Reform is the catalyst for this happen then good on them .
It would be interesting for someone to start a poll on here just to see who would vote for which party if there was an election next week. | |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 09:19 - Jun 19 with 129 views | Whiterockin |
I think those who are knocking Reform are doing then the biggest favour, it just seems to make the rest of the general public more determined and is counter productive. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 09:26 - Jun 19 with 105 views | Scotia |
| REFORM POLICIES on 08:22 - Jun 19 by Boundy |
I'm not sure how you can equate antisemitism with a thread about Reform policies, now that's a totally different subject unless of course you have evidence hearsay or not .
Maybe its about time the loudest who are the voters of this country (not the politicians) who've been lied to ,taxed to high heaven and generally taken for fools for far too long were heard and if Reform is the catalyst for this happen then good on them .
It would be interesting for someone to start a poll on here just to see who would vote for which party if there was an election next week. |
People have been taken for fools becasue most don't vote so deserve to be. If people actually voted our political parties would be vastly different and actually accountable to everyone not just their traditional supporters.
I have no problem with Reform stirring this debate - my problem is they may actually win, that would be a disaster. Unless they don't actually implement any of their policies.
I don't think the "who" people would vote for is the issue, it's why they'd vote for them. If Reform aren't going to put that right - and they can't based on their current pledges - then we actually need to get the public to understand why, and then vote for somebody who can. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 09:43 - Jun 19 with 94 views | johnlangy |
| REFORM POLICIES on 09:19 - Jun 19 by Whiterockin |
I think those who are knocking Reform are doing then the biggest favour, it just seems to make the rest of the general public more determined and is counter productive. |
Actually, believe it or not, my original post was meant to be constructive (with a little cynisism thrown in I have to admit).
Even Labour and the Conservatives, when they produce a manifesto, say how they will do what they promise. Whether they actually do what they promised after they are elected is another question.
Many forum members have said they are going to vote Reform or are at least thinking about it. But there surely has to be some logic behind it.
If you were to say i'm going to vote for them because I believe they're right to say they are going to do this and this and this then surely you must wonder how they are going to do it.
The £20,000 tax threshold costing £50 billion. Reform are against higher taxes and/or borrowing so that means cuts in spending. So another £50 billion in cuts - where ?
That's not knocking Reform, it's a reasonable question. | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 09:45 - Jun 19 with 94 views | Boundy |
| REFORM POLICIES on 09:26 - Jun 19 by Scotia |
People have been taken for fools becasue most don't vote so deserve to be. If people actually voted our political parties would be vastly different and actually accountable to everyone not just their traditional supporters.
I have no problem with Reform stirring this debate - my problem is they may actually win, that would be a disaster. Unless they don't actually implement any of their policies.
I don't think the "who" people would vote for is the issue, it's why they'd vote for them. If Reform aren't going to put that right - and they can't based on their current pledges - then we actually need to get the public to understand why, and then vote for somebody who can. |
Do pledges actually mean anything , just look at the Labours 2024 manifesto then align it with what's actually happening to the country because they haven't kept their pledges or if they have in some part the damage its going to do and is doing such as net zero .How can people be fools for not voting and not complaining as I suspect many is the case due to the historical nature of British politics, the foolish one are the ones who keep voting for the same party's in the knowledge that its normally high taxes for Labour and the Tories mismanagement of the social fabric or vice versa as we've seen over the past 25 years . | |
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| REFORM POLICIES on 09:48 - Jun 19 with 91 views | controversial_jack |
| REFORM POLICIES on 09:45 - Jun 19 by Boundy |
Do pledges actually mean anything , just look at the Labours 2024 manifesto then align it with what's actually happening to the country because they haven't kept their pledges or if they have in some part the damage its going to do and is doing such as net zero .How can people be fools for not voting and not complaining as I suspect many is the case due to the historical nature of British politics, the foolish one are the ones who keep voting for the same party's in the knowledge that its normally high taxes for Labour and the Tories mismanagement of the social fabric or vice versa as we've seen over the past 25 years . |
They have already disabled Kent council | | | |
| REFORM POLICIES on 10:20 - Jun 19 with 75 views | Scotia |
| REFORM POLICIES on 09:45 - Jun 19 by Boundy |
Do pledges actually mean anything , just look at the Labours 2024 manifesto then align it with what's actually happening to the country because they haven't kept their pledges or if they have in some part the damage its going to do and is doing such as net zero .How can people be fools for not voting and not complaining as I suspect many is the case due to the historical nature of British politics, the foolish one are the ones who keep voting for the same party's in the knowledge that its normally high taxes for Labour and the Tories mismanagement of the social fabric or vice versa as we've seen over the past 25 years . |
Well Labour have only been in power for a year, a fifth of the time they are elected for. They also inherited the biggest mess in the last 80 years that will take a minimum of a decade to even start putting right. They haven't got off to the best start in some ways, but were the only realistic alternative to the Tories and have done a better job than they did so far.
We'll have to see where they are in 4 years time.
People are completely foolish for voting blindly - but that is exactly what reform voters are doing, as you can see in this thread. | | | |
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