| The Gwent levels 20:38 - Jul 2 with 3036 views | SullutaCreturned |
The Senedd wouldn't put a road across it for ecological reasons but it sems they aren't averse to all developments on that land,
walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/this-irretrievably-damage-nationally-important-31974084?int_source=nba
I understand the need for more renewable energy but we can't keep damaging habitats to get that sustainable electricity..
Who remembers Drakefirds stance at the time?
Mr Drakeford's move to scrap the six-lane scheme follows a public inquiry overseen by planning inspector Bill Wadrup, who said the case for the road had been "compelling".
Ministers had decided that, with austerity and Brexit in the background, the uncertainty of the financial position of the Welsh Government meant the project was too expensive.
But Mark Drakeford said he would not have gone ahead even if it was affordable because of the impact on the Gwent Levels.
Mr Cairns said: "It appears that the first minister thinks he knows better than the independent inquiry."
These solar farm schemes could cover even more land than the motorway if they are all approved and once one is approved it sets a precedent. So what of the impact on the levels now Mark Drakeford? |  | | |  |
| The Gwent levels on 18:13 - Jul 4 with 976 views | pencoedjack |
I landed in Bristol from Dublin @ 1pm this afternoon loads of people on there going to Oasis gig it took me 3 & half hours to get to Pencoed diverted off the m4 through Newport.
Any sensible person can see the damage this is doing to the Welsh economy, no new employers, holiday makers not bothering & it wouldn’t surprise me if bands stopped playing gigs due to poor transport links for fans.
It saddens me what they are doing to our economy. |  | | |
| The Gwent levels on 19:08 - Jul 4 with 933 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Gwent levels on 18:13 - Jul 4 by pencoedjack |
I landed in Bristol from Dublin @ 1pm this afternoon loads of people on there going to Oasis gig it took me 3 & half hours to get to Pencoed diverted off the m4 through Newport.
Any sensible person can see the damage this is doing to the Welsh economy, no new employers, holiday makers not bothering & it wouldn’t surprise me if bands stopped playing gigs due to poor transport links for fans.
It saddens me what they are doing to our economy. |
Here's a thought, build the relief road then line the sides with Solar panels! | | | |
| The Gwent levels on 19:09 - Jul 4 with 922 views | Whiterockin |
| The Gwent levels on 19:08 - Jul 4 by SullutaCreturned |
Here's a thought, build the relief road then line the sides with Solar panels! |
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| The Gwent levels on 20:14 - Jul 4 with 881 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Gwent levels on 18:41 - Jul 3 by SullutaCreturned |
Or, you could be entirely wrong....I suppose they could be balancing the metal frames on top of the earth with nothing to hold them in place...
vitalenergi.co.uk/solar-farms/
A small access road, then how do they get the JCB's there? |
The photo shows a small dirt track and the panels on trestle with no concrete foundations. There could be hand held short ground pins. when they are re,move they will leave no scar. It could be they are located in drier areas of the levels away from the ecological wetlands.
I watched the installation of a giant circus tent last month . Hand held steel dowels grouted in were enough. It need a huge force to pull them d out depending on the bond and characteristics of the ground. |  |
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| The Gwent levels on 20:21 - Jul 4 with 873 views | pencoedjack |
We must be the only country in the world who put newts & frogs welfare over the livelihoods of its citizens.
You couldn’t make it up. | | | |
| The Gwent levels on 23:35 - Jul 4 with 828 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Gwent levels on 20:21 - Jul 4 by pencoedjack |
We must be the only country in the world who put newts & frogs welfare over the livelihoods of its citizens.
You couldn’t make it up. |
At the same tine HMG and the water authorities and sat on their hands and watched the trashing of rivers like the River Wye,
What to the Environment Agency and Natural Resources Wales do all day while our rivers become toilets? | |
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| The Gwent levels on 00:28 - Jul 5 with 819 views | max936 |
| The Gwent levels on 23:35 - Jul 4 by ReslovenSwan1 |
At the same tine HMG and the water authorities and sat on their hands and watched the trashing of rivers like the River Wye,
What to the Environment Agency and Natural Resources Wales do all day while our rivers become toilets? |
You have absolutely no idea of what the Wye is like none at all. |  |
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| The Gwent levels on 11:18 - Jul 5 with 753 views | Scotia |
| The Gwent levels on 20:21 - Jul 4 by pencoedjack |
We must be the only country in the world who put newts & frogs welfare over the livelihoods of its citizens.
You couldn’t make it up. |
It's EU legislation so they've got the same protection across Europe.
The Gwent levels isn't the best place for either solar farms or the M4 relief road
The lack of the relief road is a huge mess up that's as much to do with Carwyn Jones (went for the cheapest route) as Drakeford who then made development in the area "illegal". | | | |
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| The Gwent levels on 11:21 - Jul 5 with 752 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Gwent levels on 11:18 - Jul 5 by Scotia |
It's EU legislation so they've got the same protection across Europe.
The Gwent levels isn't the best place for either solar farms or the M4 relief road
The lack of the relief road is a huge mess up that's as much to do with Carwyn Jones (went for the cheapest route) as Drakeford who then made development in the area "illegal". |
If it's illegal to develop there then surely there can't be wind farms either? | | | |
| The Gwent levels on 11:39 - Jul 5 with 738 views | Scotia |
| The Gwent levels on 11:21 - Jul 5 by SullutaCreturned |
If it's illegal to develop there then surely there can't be wind farms either? |
I used inverted commas because it isn't a law that's being dodged but planning policy.
There shouldn't be any development in / on a site that's protected to the same degree that parts of the Gwent levels are. | | | |
| The Gwent levels on 11:44 - Jul 5 with 729 views | max936 |
| The Gwent levels on 11:21 - Jul 5 by SullutaCreturned |
If it's illegal to develop there then surely there can't be wind farms either? |
Exactly, but wait for the beep beep beep from the dullard Drakeford he thinks he's a law unto himself, the fact he's now the finance minister will make no difference.
Next May can't come quick enough, get rid of him and Labour, but he'll still be lingering about like a foul smell, he's clearly got no life outside of the senedd. | |
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| The Gwent levels on 07:58 - Jul 19 with 525 views | Whiterockin |
Is the push for net zero really worth the cost and the sacrifices, particularly when other countries are doing so little.
Wind farm vultures: The truth about Britain's taxpayer cash-soaked wind farm industry https://mol.im/a/14919977 [Post edited 19 Jul 8:05]
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| The Gwent levels on 08:45 - Jul 19 with 488 views | max936 |
| The Gwent levels on 07:58 - Jul 19 by Whiterockin |
Is the push for net zero really worth the cost and the sacrifices, particularly when other countries are doing so little.
Wind farm vultures: The truth about Britain's taxpayer cash-soaked wind farm industry https://mol.im/a/14919977 [Post edited 19 Jul 8:05]
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Its incredible Whitey, the people are being conned which is costing billions, it's all about that useless article Miliband trying rebuild his political career, he doesn't care how much it costs its not his money. | |
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| The Gwent levels on 09:16 - Jul 19 with 453 views | majorraglan |
The concept of green energy is sound, but it’s been poorly executed and we are being ripped off. The price we pay for renewable energy is linked to the most expensive source generating electric that day, so when the gas turbines come on stream that is the price we pay for the renewable energy we use that day.
Renewable energy supply owners can manipulate the system by taking their turbines off line, that forces us to use gas which then drives the price back up - they can then bring the turbine back on line and earn more cash. RIP off.
Edit - WTF are we building turbines on land when we can put them off shore. [Post edited 19 Jul 9:17]
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| The Gwent levels on 09:54 - Jul 19 with 414 views | Whiterockin |
| The Gwent levels on 09:16 - Jul 19 by majorraglan |
The concept of green energy is sound, but it’s been poorly executed and we are being ripped off. The price we pay for renewable energy is linked to the most expensive source generating electric that day, so when the gas turbines come on stream that is the price we pay for the renewable energy we use that day.
Renewable energy supply owners can manipulate the system by taking their turbines off line, that forces us to use gas which then drives the price back up - they can then bring the turbine back on line and earn more cash. RIP off.
Edit - WTF are we building turbines on land when we can put them off shore. [Post edited 19 Jul 9:17]
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Agree in principle about offshore, but it's a case of not in my back yard. How would you feel if they were put in Swansea Bay, i would be first on the streets to protest. | | | |
| The Gwent levels on 10:01 - Jul 19 with 402 views | max936 |
| The Gwent levels on 09:16 - Jul 19 by majorraglan |
The concept of green energy is sound, but it’s been poorly executed and we are being ripped off. The price we pay for renewable energy is linked to the most expensive source generating electric that day, so when the gas turbines come on stream that is the price we pay for the renewable energy we use that day.
Renewable energy supply owners can manipulate the system by taking their turbines off line, that forces us to use gas which then drives the price back up - they can then bring the turbine back on line and earn more cash. RIP off.
Edit - WTF are we building turbines on land when we can put them off shore. [Post edited 19 Jul 9:17]
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Ironically household gas prices usually vary between 6.2 to 6.7 pence per kwh, electric between 23 p to up to 30p per kwh, the biggest bone of contention is the standard charge, that can vary from as low at 42p to over 60p, just what that is for isn't very clear, it's not for maintaining the supply that is maintained by the national grid, the general excuse is that its used for the ongoing development. [Post edited 19 Jul 12:57]
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| The Gwent levels on 11:18 - Jul 19 with 360 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Gwent levels on 09:16 - Jul 19 by majorraglan |
The concept of green energy is sound, but it’s been poorly executed and we are being ripped off. The price we pay for renewable energy is linked to the most expensive source generating electric that day, so when the gas turbines come on stream that is the price we pay for the renewable energy we use that day.
Renewable energy supply owners can manipulate the system by taking their turbines off line, that forces us to use gas which then drives the price back up - they can then bring the turbine back on line and earn more cash. RIP off.
Edit - WTF are we building turbines on land when we can put them off shore. [Post edited 19 Jul 9:17]
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it's designed that way, big business and the politicians get together and the people who sign off on these ultra expensive arrangements nearly always have a nice , very well paid, part time job when they leave politics. | | | |
| The Gwent levels on 17:29 - Jul 19 with 311 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| The Gwent levels on 09:16 - Jul 19 by majorraglan |
The concept of green energy is sound, but it’s been poorly executed and we are being ripped off. The price we pay for renewable energy is linked to the most expensive source generating electric that day, so when the gas turbines come on stream that is the price we pay for the renewable energy we use that day.
Renewable energy supply owners can manipulate the system by taking their turbines off line, that forces us to use gas which then drives the price back up - they can then bring the turbine back on line and earn more cash. RIP off.
Edit - WTF are we building turbines on land when we can put them off shore. [Post edited 19 Jul 9:17]
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Land turbines are much cheaper for obvious reasons. Welsh Government get a no fees from offshore ones as the offshore land is owned by the King and Crown estates. The king has made a fortune from Welsh offshore wind while Welsh people struggle and get told they are subsidised.
Wind will be more efficient when storage batteries are built meaning night time wind can be used and the HG MG does not pay to switch them off.
A new farm is being planned in Brechfa forest. Not that visible in amongst the large spruce plantations. | |
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| The Gwent levels on 18:32 - Jul 19 with 301 views | Whiterockin |
| The Gwent levels on 17:29 - Jul 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Land turbines are much cheaper for obvious reasons. Welsh Government get a no fees from offshore ones as the offshore land is owned by the King and Crown estates. The king has made a fortune from Welsh offshore wind while Welsh people struggle and get told they are subsidised.
Wind will be more efficient when storage batteries are built meaning night time wind can be used and the HG MG does not pay to switch them off.
A new farm is being planned in Brechfa forest. Not that visible in amongst the large spruce plantations. |
If it's in amongst trees and not visible is there enough wind to make it viable. | | | |
| The Gwent levels on 18:36 - Jul 19 with 282 views | majorraglan |
| The Gwent levels on 17:29 - Jul 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Land turbines are much cheaper for obvious reasons. Welsh Government get a no fees from offshore ones as the offshore land is owned by the King and Crown estates. The king has made a fortune from Welsh offshore wind while Welsh people struggle and get told they are subsidised.
Wind will be more efficient when storage batteries are built meaning night time wind can be used and the HG MG does not pay to switch them off.
A new farm is being planned in Brechfa forest. Not that visible in amongst the large spruce plantations. |
“Not that visible……”
They dwarf the trees and are visible for miles. | | | |
| The Gwent levels on 18:38 - Jul 19 with 278 views | Whiterockin |
| The Gwent levels on 18:36 - Jul 19 by majorraglan |
“Not that visible……”
They dwarf the trees and are visible for miles. |
Otherwise there would be no wind to make it economically viable. Common sense really. | | | |
| The Gwent levels on 18:52 - Jul 19 with 265 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Gwent levels on 20:14 - Jul 4 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The photo shows a small dirt track and the panels on trestle with no concrete foundations. There could be hand held short ground pins. when they are re,move they will leave no scar. It could be they are located in drier areas of the levels away from the ecological wetlands.
I watched the installation of a giant circus tent last month . Hand held steel dowels grouted in were enough. It need a huge force to pull them d out depending on the bond and characteristics of the ground. |
That small dirt track was once green and pleasant not just a dirt track and those tracks are up and down every row of panels. That's just for the JCB/tractor because there will be a site office and large lorries delivering the equipment too.
That land is of special environmental importance and shouldn't be driven across.
PS, the thing about the Brechfa forest, how many trees have you seen in the UK that are large enough to obscure just one windmill? Let alone a load of them. | | | |
| The Gwent levels on 19:34 - Jul 19 with 251 views | Boundy |
| The Gwent levels on 18:52 - Jul 19 by SullutaCreturned |
That small dirt track was once green and pleasant not just a dirt track and those tracks are up and down every row of panels. That's just for the JCB/tractor because there will be a site office and large lorries delivering the equipment too.
That land is of special environmental importance and shouldn't be driven across.
PS, the thing about the Brechfa forest, how many trees have you seen in the UK that are large enough to obscure just one windmill? Let alone a load of them. |
Wind turbines in forestry land are built in fire breaks and have access tracks to them , they tend to tower above the trees otherwise there'd be no point o build them there. | |
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| The Gwent levels on 22:06 - Jul 19 with 218 views | max936 |
| The Gwent levels on 18:32 - Jul 19 by Whiterockin |
If it's in amongst trees and not visible is there enough wind to make it viable. |
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| The Gwent levels on 12:31 - Jul 20 with 163 views | Boundy |
| The Gwent levels on 18:52 - Jul 19 by SullutaCreturned |
That small dirt track was once green and pleasant not just a dirt track and those tracks are up and down every row of panels. That's just for the JCB/tractor because there will be a site office and large lorries delivering the equipment too.
That land is of special environmental importance and shouldn't be driven across.
PS, the thing about the Brechfa forest, how many trees have you seen in the UK that are large enough to obscure just one windmill? Let alone a load of them. |
Funny he makes no mention of Walters Group owned ( he does own a lot) which are built in and around Onllwyn within the forestry block reaching down towards and clearly visible from the A465 or the EDF site built in the Rhigos dissecting the Mountain road to Treherbert again built on Forestry land and now extended right down so its clearly visible from Winch Wen so I cant agree that building them in forestry works . | |
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