| Junior Doctors strike 22:22 - Jul 24 with 1834 views | raynor94 |
Over the last 2years they have received 22% pay rise and now due 5.4% from August they are playing with people's lives, disgraceful to be striking |  |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 22:56 - Jul 24 with 579 views | AnotherJohn |
There has certainly been some kind of cultural change in the profession because this kind of action putting lives at risk would have been seen as completely beyond the pale in the past. If CPI rather than RPI is used, a different base year (rather than the most advantageous one) is selected, and hours worked are considered, then the alleged erosion of pay over the last 20 years is small. |  | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 23:01 - Jul 24 with 572 views | trampie |
Judging by the other threads on here on this topic it seems as if most people on here would pay them whatever they ask for. |  |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 08:49 - Jul 25 with 502 views | Scotia |
| Junior Doctors strike on 23:01 - Jul 24 by trampie |
Judging by the other threads on here on this topic it seems as if most people on here would pay them whatever they ask for. |
Nope, only what they deserve.
2009/10 1.5%
2010/11 1.0%
2011/12 0.0%
2012/13 0.0%
2013/14 1.0%
2014/15 0.0%
2015/16 0.0%
2016/17 1.0%
2017/18 1.0%
2018/19 2.0%
2019/20 2.3%
2020/21 3.0%
2021/22 3.0%
I don't support strike action but these increases are derisory, and are the reason we're in this situation. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 08:56 - Jul 25 with 499 views | Boundy |
| Junior Doctors strike on 08:49 - Jul 25 by Scotia |
Nope, only what they deserve.
2009/10 1.5%
2010/11 1.0%
2011/12 0.0%
2012/13 0.0%
2013/14 1.0%
2014/15 0.0%
2015/16 0.0%
2016/17 1.0%
2017/18 1.0%
2018/19 2.0%
2019/20 2.3%
2020/21 3.0%
2021/22 3.0%
I don't support strike action but these increases are derisory, and are the reason we're in this situation. |
at least they've had rises not like many other professions . | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 09:13 - Jul 25 with 489 views | Boundy |
Just listened to a doctor on a picket line demanding a 29% rise but when asked what she earned last year she declined to answer . The Government messed up by awarding such a ridiculous rise last year and now seemed surprised that they've come back a year later demanding more. | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 09:38 - Jul 25 with 471 views | Gwyn737 |
| Junior Doctors strike on 08:56 - Jul 25 by Boundy |
at least they've had rises not like many other professions . |
There’ll be exceptions but in general since 2009 public sector wages have lagged behind the private sector.
This is why we’ve seeing these pretty dramatic corrections. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:43 - Jul 25 with 465 views | onehunglow |
Meanwhile their patients suffer worry and possible death | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 09:46 - Jul 25 with 462 views | trampie |
| Junior Doctors strike on 08:49 - Jul 25 by Scotia |
Nope, only what they deserve.
2009/10 1.5%
2010/11 1.0%
2011/12 0.0%
2012/13 0.0%
2013/14 1.0%
2014/15 0.0%
2015/16 0.0%
2016/17 1.0%
2017/18 1.0%
2018/19 2.0%
2019/20 2.3%
2020/21 3.0%
2021/22 3.0%
I don't support strike action but these increases are derisory, and are the reason we're in this situation. |
It's all relative other jobs have not had much in the way of pay rises also since the banking crisis.
They want the same/more money in real terms than they had in 2008, when the vast majority of jobs earn less in real terms than they did in 2008.
Effectively other jobs end up paying for the banking crisis but if junior doctors get their way they will not. | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 09:52 - Jul 25 with 453 views | Scotia |
| Junior Doctors strike on 08:56 - Jul 25 by Boundy |
at least they've had rises not like many other professions . |
Compare it to the triple lock increases. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:53 - Jul 25 with 449 views | onehunglow |
Nobody dies of a banker, accountant or lawyer goes on strike
Doctors , like police officers are different , no matter what stress May said
Police do not have the right to strike though
Doctors do , but should they | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 09:54 - Jul 25 with 450 views | Scotia |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:46 - Jul 25 by trampie |
It's all relative other jobs have not had much in the way of pay rises also since the banking crisis.
They want the same/more money in real terms than they had in 2008, when the vast majority of jobs earn less in real terms than they did in 2008.
Effectively other jobs end up paying for the banking crisis but if junior doctors get their way they will not. |
Other jobs should have seen better pay increases too.
Of course on the other hand Doctors could probably do any other job, very few people could be a Doctor. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:57 - Jul 25 with 445 views | Boundy |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:38 - Jul 25 by Gwyn737 |
There’ll be exceptions but in general since 2009 public sector wages have lagged behind the private sector.
This is why we’ve seeing these pretty dramatic corrections. |
No doubt about what you say but when is ever enough, the basic pay for a junior doctor is not great by any stretch but there's are a few add ons which need to be included such as overtime rates, unsocial hours payments a generous pension etc which before anyone shoots me down shouldn't be a basis of living standards but it is ,and is for many people in other sectors.
Last years award was never going to be enough to raise the levels where it could be but it was a start and now to come back again although foreseen by many is now seen, again by many, as being pure greed . | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 10:02 - Jul 25 with 427 views | raynor94 |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:52 - Jul 25 by Scotia |
Compare it to the triple lock increases. |
How can you compare 3% on a Doctors wage to 4% on a pension no suprise with another ageist post from you | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 10:02 - Jul 25 with 426 views | trampie |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:54 - Jul 25 by Scotia |
Other jobs should have seen better pay increases too.
Of course on the other hand Doctors could probably do any other job, very few people could be a Doctor. |
I see your posts and you give the impression you would get everybody pay rises (how is that going to be paid for ?), except pensioners and people on benefits. | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 10:03 - Jul 25 with 418 views | onehunglow |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:54 - Jul 25 by Scotia |
Other jobs should have seen better pay increases too.
Of course on the other hand Doctors could probably do any other job, very few people could be a Doctor. |
And being an established doctor sees opportunities for salaries far removed from " ordinary working people "
Are doctors working class btw | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 10:09 - Jul 25 with 412 views | trampie |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:52 - Jul 25 by Scotia |
Compare it to the triple lock increases. |
The triple lock was put in place because of pension poverty in this country the old age pension was so little and in comparison to other similar countries absolutely terrible, the worst of the lot actually by many measures.
The Government has just said they are going to form a committee for the first time in years to look at old age and pensions as they think pension poverty is going to be more prevalent again in coming years. | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 10:17 - Jul 25 with 396 views | Whiterockin |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:53 - Jul 25 by onehunglow |
Nobody dies of a banker, accountant or lawyer goes on strike
Doctors , like police officers are different , no matter what stress May said
Police do not have the right to strike though
Doctors do , but should they |
We both know that the police have been pissed on by the government because they can't strike. Pension cuts, working terms and conditions ect. Everyone should have the right to strike, there would be uproar if any major employer in the UK made new employees sign a no strike contract. |  | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:21 - Jul 25 with 377 views | Scotia |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:02 - Jul 25 by trampie |
I see your posts and you give the impression you would get everybody pay rises (how is that going to be paid for ?), except pensioners and people on benefits. |
Sensible pay rises yes, paid through more tax and less welfare. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:23 - Jul 25 with 374 views | Scotia |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:09 - Jul 25 by trampie |
The triple lock was put in place because of pension poverty in this country the old age pension was so little and in comparison to other similar countries absolutely terrible, the worst of the lot actually by many measures.
The Government has just said they are going to form a committee for the first time in years to look at old age and pensions as they think pension poverty is going to be more prevalent again in coming years. |
But it's not sustainable. Very few of the countries that have better pensions are an a worse economic situation than the UK or don't have other benefits such as a fully funded state healthcare system. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:23 - Jul 25 with 373 views | trampie |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:17 - Jul 25 by Whiterockin |
We both know that the police have been pissed on by the government because they can't strike. Pension cuts, working terms and conditions ect. Everyone should have the right to strike, there would be uproar if any major employer in the UK made new employees sign a no strike contract. |
My understanding is they have tried to tighten terms and conditions in recent years due to them being on to such a good thing, I have close family in the police, high up the ranks and I can tell you now they earn good coin and have exceptionally good pensions. | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 10:32 - Jul 25 with 351 views | trampie |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:23 - Jul 25 by Scotia |
But it's not sustainable. Very few of the countries that have better pensions are an a worse economic situation than the UK or don't have other benefits such as a fully funded state healthcare system. |
The way to address the sustainability of the system is not to cut the poorest peoples incomes and push them into poverty with all the associated costs that go with that, its to address inequality in this country, eg take money off the rich and well paid and spread wealth. | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 10:34 - Jul 25 with 347 views | Whiterockin |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:23 - Jul 25 by trampie |
My understanding is they have tried to tighten terms and conditions in recent years due to them being on to such a good thing, I have close family in the police, high up the ranks and I can tell you now they earn good coin and have exceptionally good pensions. |
For which they pay 13% of their income into. Deductions pension payments, tax and NI. Over 40% in deductions on earnings over £12k a year for the basic taxpayer. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:43 - Jul 25 with 338 views | Luther27 |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:02 - Jul 25 by raynor94 |
How can you compare 3% on a Doctors wage to 4% on a pension no suprise with another ageist post from you |
And he’ll bleat about the poor state pension when he eventually reaches that age. | | | |
| Junior Doctors strike on 11:09 - Jul 25 with 326 views | Boundy |
| Junior Doctors strike on 09:54 - Jul 25 by Scotia |
Other jobs should have seen better pay increases too.
Of course on the other hand Doctors could probably do any other job, very few people could be a Doctor. |
very few people could work 200 + plus in the air or fly a plane or many other professions but like many and junior doctors are included ,they all knew the terms and conditions before applying ,if not then they'd be fools for not asking first. | |
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| Junior Doctors strike on 11:22 - Jul 25 with 313 views | onehunglow |
| Junior Doctors strike on 10:17 - Jul 25 by Whiterockin |
We both know that the police have been pissed on by the government because they can't strike. Pension cuts, working terms and conditions ect. Everyone should have the right to strike, there would be uproar if any major employer in the UK made new employees sign a no strike contract. |
I've been at an annual PF conference and moved to vote for the right to strike we're mooted but the overwhelming feeling was police officers would not support that move believe and still do they should
Because they can't has seen their terms and conditions and especially pensions blown apart but it's their own fault
Doctors have the right and their job directly affects lives
Tricky one | |
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