| Religion and the far right 14:47 - Jul 28 with 6137 views | saint901 |
Our news threads are filled with the usual summer madness in the UK of young, lagered up men being told a lie, choosing to believe it and subsequently throwing insults and eventually bricks and worse at anybody who doesn't look like them.
The far right is becoming more mainstream and we se them weaponising fear and making claims that our country (of 70 million) is being "invaded" by a few thousand people arriving here illegally. (If a poor person arrives this way, he/she is illegal. If a rich person arrives and takes years to "clarify" their status, he/she is an "investor". )
More recently I've seen more posts linking being a "christian" to being a "patriot" and that "christians" have a duty - almost a religious duty - to be passing the bricks to those stupid enough to believe the sort of racist and xenophobic nonsense being spouted.
I am not a religious person. I have no issues with those who chose to believe, but I don't. I do however see this linking of the christian culture with what might loosely be called a doctrine in which Caucasian people are seen as in some manner superior to other races or entitled to something just because of accident of birth, as troubling.
I get that this is straight out of the right wing playbook, i.e. create a sense of jeopardy in certain groups to bring them alongside, but from what I understand of christian philosophy, its about tolerance, love they neighbour, turn the other cheek, be a good Samaritan. It's not about hate other people who have less than we do or choose a different set of rules to live by.
(For what it's worth my understanding of other religions is that they have similar ideas but we know that some will chose to interpret the rules in very different ways). |  | | |  |
| Religion and the far right on 13:04 - Aug 4 with 1421 views | saint901 |
Well, I've been called worse.
I'd also rather be as described than an unpaid, unthinking thug for whichever power tripping xenophobe who wants to build a base to glorify his own image.
At least I have the benefit of knowing that I will bear the consequences of my own thinking rather than being led, sheep like, into mistakes seeking to masturbate in their own ego.
I wish you luck in that journey. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 13:22 - Aug 4 with 1393 views | kingolaf |
| Religion and the far right on 13:04 - Aug 4 by saint901 |
Well, I've been called worse.
I'd also rather be as described than an unpaid, unthinking thug for whichever power tripping xenophobe who wants to build a base to glorify his own image.
At least I have the benefit of knowing that I will bear the consequences of my own thinking rather than being led, sheep like, into mistakes seeking to masturbate in their own ego.
I wish you luck in that journey. |
Just proving my point. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 13:55 - Aug 4 with 1365 views | saint901 |
So trying to be fair minded and see both sides is proving your point (whatever that was).
We see a lot of this in conservative mind sets. Argue a case until the facts become inconvenient and then distract, deflect and if possible attack, in the hope that those reading (in this case) will forget the issue. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 15:28 - Aug 4 with 1319 views | kentsouthampton |
| Religion and the far right on 10:18 - Aug 4 by saint901 |
Good morning.
I do have a daughter thank you.
So if you accept that rape and sexual assault were sadly part of British life before these people risked their lives to arrive here but at the same time think that they are coming here solely to rape British (white) women?
Help me out here and explain that apparent logic and preferably back it up with real numbers (and not those made up by politicians who just want to play on your anger). |
Statistically a girl is 98% more likely to be raped by her own father than a person arriving here in a dingy, not surprising when according to the police stats nearly half the Southport rioters were convicted sex pests. |  | | |
| Religion and the far right on 17:35 - Aug 4 with 1284 views | 1885_SFC |
| Religion and the far right on 15:28 - Aug 4 by kentsouthampton |
Statistically a girl is 98% more likely to be raped by her own father than a person arriving here in a dingy, not surprising when according to the police stats nearly half the Southport rioters were convicted sex pests. |
Yeah, watch those numbers boom in the coming years.
You know it. I know it. |  |
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| Religion and the far right on 21:08 - Aug 4 with 1244 views | kingolaf |
| Religion and the far right on 13:55 - Aug 4 by saint901 |
So trying to be fair minded and see both sides is proving your point (whatever that was).
We see a lot of this in conservative mind sets. Argue a case until the facts become inconvenient and then distract, deflect and if possible attack, in the hope that those reading (in this case) will forget the issue. |
Boring | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 10:23 - Aug 5 with 1165 views | kentsouthampton |
| Religion and the far right on 17:35 - Aug 4 by 1885_SFC |
Yeah, watch those numbers boom in the coming years.
You know it. I know it. |
Yep, you're spot on, it won't be long before over half these race rioters get found out as sex pests. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 10:25 - Aug 5 with 1157 views | kentsouthampton |
A classic example of the insanity of religion especially white Christianity.
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| Religion and the far right on 14:11 - Aug 5 with 1066 views | saint901 |
Whilst I accept that christianity is a form of religion, I can't say that I'm familiar enough with the numerous sects and divisions that particular branch has taken, to comment sensibly on it.
If it is accepted that "faith" is a belief in some external force/body which may or may not have had a hand in "designing" humans, then such force/body is unknowable to us, its creations.
To pretend that some humans have the foresight, wisdom, luck to be able to "translate" the thoughts of said force/body into words seems to me to owe more to the arrogance of the authors than to any "divine" spirit.
In other words, if there is a force/body (and making the huge assumption - without proof - that it is benign or favourable to humans) as soon as a human attempts to intervene, the situation is sullied, muddied and reduced.
(For the record, I do not think there is such a force/body but if you want to think that, go ahead). | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 17:37 - Aug 5 with 996 views | Jellybaby |
| Religion and the far right on 14:11 - Aug 5 by saint901 |
Whilst I accept that christianity is a form of religion, I can't say that I'm familiar enough with the numerous sects and divisions that particular branch has taken, to comment sensibly on it.
If it is accepted that "faith" is a belief in some external force/body which may or may not have had a hand in "designing" humans, then such force/body is unknowable to us, its creations.
To pretend that some humans have the foresight, wisdom, luck to be able to "translate" the thoughts of said force/body into words seems to me to owe more to the arrogance of the authors than to any "divine" spirit.
In other words, if there is a force/body (and making the huge assumption - without proof - that it is benign or favourable to humans) as soon as a human attempts to intervene, the situation is sullied, muddied and reduced.
(For the record, I do not think there is such a force/body but if you want to think that, go ahead). |
I think God laughs in your face 901. The burden of proof is on you to explain your weird Darwinism order out of chaos beliefs not the other way round Sonny Jim. | |
| I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it. |
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| Religion and the far right on 19:19 - Aug 5 with 960 views | kentsouthampton |
| Religion and the far right on 17:37 - Aug 5 by Jellybaby |
I think God laughs in your face 901. The burden of proof is on you to explain your weird Darwinism order out of chaos beliefs not the other way round Sonny Jim. |
At least he doesn't think death is a cure for cancer noddy. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 20:22 - Aug 5 with 928 views | Jellybaby |
| Religion and the far right on 19:19 - Aug 5 by kentsouthampton |
At least he doesn't think death is a cure for cancer noddy. |
? The only thing that is ever clear from your posts Kent is that you are slavishly in love with 901.  | |
| I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it. |
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| Religion and the far right on 13:22 - Aug 6 with 746 views | saint901 |
| Religion and the far right on 17:37 - Aug 5 by Jellybaby |
I think God laughs in your face 901. The burden of proof is on you to explain your weird Darwinism order out of chaos beliefs not the other way round Sonny Jim. |
Again Mr Bean?
I feel no burden to explain anything.
I express a personal view - you are able to say you disagree with reasons or you are able to say you disagree an not give reasons. Frankly I don't care.
I cannot find any proof that a god exists or has had a hand in alleged "miracles" or has otherwise intervened for good or bad. I know however that asking any believer for such proof results in a circular argument which produces much heat and little light and I suspect that most of us here do not have the energy for a rehash of that. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 15:10 - Aug 6 with 679 views | Bazza |
| Religion and the far right on 13:22 - Aug 6 by saint901 |
Again Mr Bean?
I feel no burden to explain anything.
I express a personal view - you are able to say you disagree with reasons or you are able to say you disagree an not give reasons. Frankly I don't care.
I cannot find any proof that a god exists or has had a hand in alleged "miracles" or has otherwise intervened for good or bad. I know however that asking any believer for such proof results in a circular argument which produces much heat and little light and I suspect that most of us here do not have the energy for a rehash of that. |
There are of course several gods supporting various religions. Or are they believed to be the same god or similar? | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 16:07 - Aug 6 with 644 views | kentsouthampton |
| Religion and the far right on 15:10 - Aug 6 by Bazza |
There are of course several gods supporting various religions. Or are they believed to be the same god or similar? |
The same, different religions have different prophets half the stuff in the bible is in the Koran, Allah is the same god as the Christian god, when the dickheads in the EDL marched down the road singing Allah is a w*nker, they were singing about their own god, that's how dumb the EDL are. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 17:17 - Aug 6 with 588 views | GasGiant |
| Religion and the far right on 13:04 - Aug 4 by saint901 |
Well, I've been called worse.
I'd also rather be as described than an unpaid, unthinking thug for whichever power tripping xenophobe who wants to build a base to glorify his own image.
At least I have the benefit of knowing that I will bear the consequences of my own thinking rather than being led, sheep like, into mistakes seeking to masturbate in their own ego.
I wish you luck in that journey. |
If you're trying to defend the current rate of immigration as either sustainable or sensible then you are not as smart as you think you are. The rate last year of nearly 700,000 is unsustainable. It is not Racist to call this lunacy. We cannot build houses at this rate, Our infrastructure and services cannot sustain this rate. Our economy cannot sustain this rate. Moreover it is sophistry to subtract emigration from immigration figures and then just refer to the net amount. People leaving the UK are already integrated into the Society they are leaving. Those arriving are not. And before dismissing those concerns at the rate of immigration as "Racist" (which they are not) many people arriving in the UK will not integrate with the language, customs and culture of their new host nation and are not enccouraged to do so, which is also a mistake and sends a message that such values and customs are not worth attaining. In other words we are replacing a united nation with a disunited and divided one Yes many immigrants bring skills with them into a post to which they have been appointed. They represent a minority of those coming in. Do not use them as the yardstick for the half million or so that are now arriving each year. And if you think the current rate of immigration is "a good thing" when do you think we will reach the limit of what this small, overcrowded nation can sustain? What then? | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 17:33 - Aug 6 with 565 views | kentsouthampton |
| Religion and the far right on 17:17 - Aug 6 by GasGiant |
If you're trying to defend the current rate of immigration as either sustainable or sensible then you are not as smart as you think you are. The rate last year of nearly 700,000 is unsustainable. It is not Racist to call this lunacy. We cannot build houses at this rate, Our infrastructure and services cannot sustain this rate. Our economy cannot sustain this rate. Moreover it is sophistry to subtract emigration from immigration figures and then just refer to the net amount. People leaving the UK are already integrated into the Society they are leaving. Those arriving are not. And before dismissing those concerns at the rate of immigration as "Racist" (which they are not) many people arriving in the UK will not integrate with the language, customs and culture of their new host nation and are not enccouraged to do so, which is also a mistake and sends a message that such values and customs are not worth attaining. In other words we are replacing a united nation with a disunited and divided one Yes many immigrants bring skills with them into a post to which they have been appointed. They represent a minority of those coming in. Do not use them as the yardstick for the half million or so that are now arriving each year. And if you think the current rate of immigration is "a good thing" when do you think we will reach the limit of what this small, overcrowded nation can sustain? What then? |
I know from recent and ongoing experience the NHS would collapse without immigration or if the immigrants there were to leave if it became too hostile. The oncology and gastro wards at QA and Wessex are at least 75% staffed by immigrants. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 17:40 - Aug 6 with 544 views | franniesTache |
| Religion and the far right on 17:33 - Aug 6 by kentsouthampton |
I know from recent and ongoing experience the NHS would collapse without immigration or if the immigrants there were to leave if it became too hostile. The oncology and gastro wards at QA and Wessex are at least 75% staffed by immigrants. |
Given it seems possible that almost a third of the UK's population could be over the age of 65 by 2070, and the uk's reducing birth rate it's actually fairly imperative we have immigration to support the economy, pensions and thing like health care.
It's entirely feasible that without enough working age people paying into the pension pot, and with a population that needs more health care support and are less likely to be able to work that the country could be in for an extreme challenge.
In the short term you'd probably have to predict a contrition in the economy and negative growth (you only need to look at Japan to see our future there), in the longer term an end to state pensions and health care seems fairly probable |  | | |
| Religion and the far right on 18:45 - Aug 6 with 505 views | Butty101 |
| Religion and the far right on 17:33 - Aug 6 by kentsouthampton |
I know from recent and ongoing experience the NHS would collapse without immigration or if the immigrants there were to leave if it became too hostile. The oncology and gastro wards at QA and Wessex are at least 75% staffed by immigrants. |
Yeah that matches my experience in the Southampton General. Nothing wrong with bringing skilled people in who want to be part of the community.
As far for religion, i would question anyone’s mental health that believes in one of The imaginary gods out there. |  |
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| Religion and the far right on 18:58 - Aug 6 with 496 views | Chesham_Saint |
How does anyone have the time to read all this old toot? Just askin' for a friend, like... |  |
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| Religion and the far right on 20:25 - Aug 6 with 442 views | 1885_SFC |
| Religion and the far right on 18:45 - Aug 6 by Butty101 |
Yeah that matches my experience in the Southampton General. Nothing wrong with bringing skilled people in who want to be part of the community.
As far for religion, i would question anyone’s mental health that believes in one of The imaginary gods out there. |
I have the wonderful (not) experience of having a colonoscopy each year with the 'long' scope shoved up my jacksie at the QA for the past several years now. Funnily enough, they want to do it every 6-months now because of issues they keep finding.
Anyway, the staff that do all the pre-op paperwork are Filipino, the girls that do the blood pressure checks/cannula insertion etc in the side room by the theatre are all African or Caribbean girls, and the top team doing the actual colonoscopy are sometimes the top English doctor himself - but sometimes it's an Indian team. Last time I had it done in fact, it was a Portuguese female doctor!
Bless the lot of them I say. I don't think anyone of the right thinking actually minds where anyone comes from in the world - as long as they're contributing to society & doing their best just to get along in life... and NHS staff certainly seem to be doing that... and sadly, probably at detriment to their own countries where they're needed. | |
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| Religion and the far right on 17:29 - Aug 7 with 249 views | GasGiant |
| Religion and the far right on 17:40 - Aug 6 by franniesTache |
Given it seems possible that almost a third of the UK's population could be over the age of 65 by 2070, and the uk's reducing birth rate it's actually fairly imperative we have immigration to support the economy, pensions and thing like health care.
It's entirely feasible that without enough working age people paying into the pension pot, and with a population that needs more health care support and are less likely to be able to work that the country could be in for an extreme challenge.
In the short term you'd probably have to predict a contrition in the economy and negative growth (you only need to look at Japan to see our future there), in the longer term an end to state pensions and health care seems fairly probable |
Using your model means immigration has to continue (albeit at its ludicrously inefficient rate of less than 10% of the numbers actually filling the posts you claim to be necessary) indefimitely, since - according to your model - every year the population will be even higher , requiring even more nursing staff Ad Nauseam. So I'll ask you again, when, and how do you propose to break out of this ridiculous unsustainable model, or will it continue until the entire country is as teeming as downtown Hong Kong, and even then still needs immigration to feed itself? Any date plus or minus ten years along with a method will do. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 17:35 - Aug 7 with 242 views | GasGiant |
| Religion and the far right on 17:33 - Aug 6 by kentsouthampton |
I know from recent and ongoing experience the NHS would collapse without immigration or if the immigrants there were to leave if it became too hostile. The oncology and gastro wards at QA and Wessex are at least 75% staffed by immigrants. |
I see. So when I checked your data (which you obviously didn't) I see that NHS staff totals rose by 38,000 in the year to March 2025, whereas immigration to the Uk stood at 690,000. So where, pray are the other 652,000 going to work, or are they just there to become the NHS customers that actually require an additional 38,000 staff to service, in some nightmare version of Stalinist job creation? Perhaps we need 652,000 additional Deliveroo drivers, unless you can think of something else for them to do? | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 18:06 - Aug 7 with 226 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Religion and the far right on 17:35 - Aug 7 by GasGiant |
I see. So when I checked your data (which you obviously didn't) I see that NHS staff totals rose by 38,000 in the year to March 2025, whereas immigration to the Uk stood at 690,000. So where, pray are the other 652,000 going to work, or are they just there to become the NHS customers that actually require an additional 38,000 staff to service, in some nightmare version of Stalinist job creation? Perhaps we need 652,000 additional Deliveroo drivers, unless you can think of something else for them to do? |
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