| Religion and the far right 14:47 - Jul 28 with 11381 views | saint901 |
Our news threads are filled with the usual summer madness in the UK of young, lagered up men being told a lie, choosing to believe it and subsequently throwing insults and eventually bricks and worse at anybody who doesn't look like them.
The far right is becoming more mainstream and we se them weaponising fear and making claims that our country (of 70 million) is being "invaded" by a few thousand people arriving here illegally. (If a poor person arrives this way, he/she is illegal. If a rich person arrives and takes years to "clarify" their status, he/she is an "investor". )
More recently I've seen more posts linking being a "christian" to being a "patriot" and that "christians" have a duty - almost a religious duty - to be passing the bricks to those stupid enough to believe the sort of racist and xenophobic nonsense being spouted.
I am not a religious person. I have no issues with those who chose to believe, but I don't. I do however see this linking of the christian culture with what might loosely be called a doctrine in which Caucasian people are seen as in some manner superior to other races or entitled to something just because of accident of birth, as troubling.
I get that this is straight out of the right wing playbook, i.e. create a sense of jeopardy in certain groups to bring them alongside, but from what I understand of christian philosophy, its about tolerance, love they neighbour, turn the other cheek, be a good Samaritan. It's not about hate other people who have less than we do or choose a different set of rules to live by.
(For what it's worth my understanding of other religions is that they have similar ideas but we know that some will chose to interpret the rules in very different ways). |  | | |  |
| Religion and the far right on 09:26 - Aug 12 with 1701 views | mushinexile |
Heaven forbid! | |
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| Religion and the far right on 16:21 - Aug 12 with 1602 views | GasGiant |
| Religion and the far right on 15:50 - Aug 8 by kentsouthampton |
Totally missing the point, which is without immigration and migrants the health service would collapse, I made no other point, You've clearly never had the misfortune to spend much time in hospital.
The truth of the matter is we could end immigration tomorrow as long as you and others like you are happy work to longer and to retire later (state pension) and pay more tax and accept poorer public services. because heaven forbid we tax the wealthy any more than we currently do, they might starve. |
I don't miss points, I just clarify them. FOr instance, with recent immigration at just under 700,000 pa, is your solution to the Health and Care sector shortages a sustained immigration rate that will see a further3.5 million immigrants by 2030? do you imagine 3.5 million vacancies in these sectors? For comparison the entire NHS currently employs around 1.2 million including contract staff and an uptake last year of just 38,000, so tell us what happens to the (over) 3 million "spares"? Are you going to address the issue or not? By your own admission you don't believe in fair taxation, just a system that you don't have to pay any more towards - just get those already paying far more than you to pay even more again and you don't even break sweat. Laughable unworkable, impactical hypocritical Corbynistic bollocks. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 16:49 - Aug 12 with 1587 views | saint901 |
In "tax world", there has been a lot of discussion recently over various ideas to raise more tax. Personally I think this is a flawed proposition without some consideration of how any extra tax will be spent, but let's cover what was said on the supply side of the debate for now.
Inheritance tax. Paid when you reduce your "estate" by way of transfer of value to another person. Most obviously paid when somebody dies and his/her assets are distributed to beneficiaries. First £325k is exempt. If the asset is a property you live/lived in, add another £175k to that. So a married couple could transfer a £1m property to beneficiaries with no tax.
The above tax free amounts were frozen (by the last Tory Gov't) with the result that more estates are being brought within the tax charge. Even so, less than 1 in 20 estates actually fall liable.
Labour has removed from "business assets are zero rated" most agricultural property. Instead it will be included in the estate of deceased land owners if the land is used for farming and taxed at 20% - that is half the usual rate. This has caused outrage which in some instances is justified.
A wealth tax has been suggested - and if the latest "leak" from number 11 Downing St is to be believed, rejected. This is a tax on assets. It has been used at one time or another in most European countries - and abandoned. (Switzerland has it but at a very low level).
There are a number of problems with such a tax and the people needed to run it would reduce the tax take substantially. It also discourages inward investment and where it clashes with IHT, things get complicated very quickly. Almost certainly will not happen.
VAT on more goods and services, including private health care is being considered and may happen.
Stamp duty (usually paid on buying property) will almost certainly increase by the simple trick of freezing limits.
The core problem remains that the British taxpayer does not want to pay for the services they want to enjoy.
I've seen numbers (which I've not verified) which say that increasing the budget for education, health and defence to levels promised by the last Tory Gov't would see basic rate income tax (20%), rise to at least 25%. (For a number of reasons, not least the perception given, increasing the tax rate for incomes of £150k or more above the present 45% will not happen because with NIC, the effective rate of money taken from such people will exceed 50%. Given that this group - 1% of UK earners - pays more than half of all income tax already, a further increase would be counter productive. Look at something called the Laffer Curve.)
If tax rises are unlikely to produce enough money to move the dial - usually north of £20bn - then cuts are needed = equally unpopular but the electorate has less say.
Another answer is to extend the economic horizon from the present usual 5 year view to say ten years. This gives more room to borrow. (The US does this and has an economic horizon of about 40 years.)
There is no simple answer here but it's clear that "tax the rich" is not the answer. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 08:53 - Aug 13 with 1501 views | kentsouthampton |
| Religion and the far right on 16:21 - Aug 12 by GasGiant |
I don't miss points, I just clarify them. FOr instance, with recent immigration at just under 700,000 pa, is your solution to the Health and Care sector shortages a sustained immigration rate that will see a further3.5 million immigrants by 2030? do you imagine 3.5 million vacancies in these sectors? For comparison the entire NHS currently employs around 1.2 million including contract staff and an uptake last year of just 38,000, so tell us what happens to the (over) 3 million "spares"? Are you going to address the issue or not? By your own admission you don't believe in fair taxation, just a system that you don't have to pay any more towards - just get those already paying far more than you to pay even more again and you don't even break sweat. Laughable unworkable, impactical hypocritical Corbynistic bollocks. |
You're right,,those millionaires are going to starve if you tax them more, less than 10% of our population hold 90% of all the wealth yet someone fleeing war and famine is the problem, give me a break. |  | | |
| Religion and the far right on 07:59 - Aug 14 with 1388 views | jopreston |
| Religion and the far right on 08:53 - Aug 13 by kentsouthampton |
You're right,,those millionaires are going to starve if you tax them more, less than 10% of our population hold 90% of all the wealth yet someone fleeing war and famine is the problem, give me a break. |
France is at war and suffering famine? | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 14:13 - Aug 14 with 1314 views | kentsouthampton |
| Religion and the far right on 07:59 - Aug 14 by jopreston |
France is at war and suffering famine? |
I won't take your retarded bait. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 14:14 - Aug 14 with 1311 views | kentsouthampton |
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| Religion and the far right on 14:54 - Aug 14 with 1265 views | jopreston |
| Religion and the far right on 14:13 - Aug 14 by kentsouthampton |
I won't take your retarded bait. |
Because you can't. My point is totally correct and valid.
Point for you to note as clearly you are a woke who wants to portray himself as caring and decent etc. the use of the word retard is offensive. Surely you would know this. Please try to debate as an adult and be decent and polite. [Post edited 14 Aug 14:54]
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| Religion and the far right on 15:12 - Aug 14 with 1238 views | kentsouthampton |
| Religion and the far right on 14:54 - Aug 14 by jopreston |
Because you can't. My point is totally correct and valid.
Point for you to note as clearly you are a woke who wants to portray himself as caring and decent etc. the use of the word retard is offensive. Surely you would know this. Please try to debate as an adult and be decent and polite. [Post edited 14 Aug 14:54]
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So your point is no one in Calais is fleeing a war torn country or famine, that's more than retarded. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 15:35 - Aug 14 with 1224 views | franniesTache |
| Religion and the far right on 07:59 - Aug 14 by jopreston |
France is at war and suffering famine? |
We can dream |  | | |
| Religion and the far right on 18:09 - Aug 14 with 1164 views | kentsouthampton |
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| Religion and the far right on 18:18 - Aug 14 with 1147 views | 1885_SFC |
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| Religion and the far right on 21:51 - Aug 14 with 1087 views | jopreston |
My point is clear. You have avoided it. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 13:17 - Aug 15 with 974 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Religion and the far right on 15:12 - Aug 14 by kentsouthampton |
So your point is no one in Calais is fleeing a war torn country or famine, that's more than retarded. |
Bloody hell, I'm no fan of the French, but describing them as war torn and in a famine is a bit much. Don't they have any cake left? |  |
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| Religion and the far right on 18:36 - Aug 15 with 904 views | Ninja9 |
| Religion and the far right on 15:12 - Aug 14 by kentsouthampton |
So your point is no one in Calais is fleeing a war torn country or famine, that's more than retarded. |
Deluded Woke Leftie BBC News Believer . | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 10:38 - Aug 18 with 755 views | saint901 |
Think this thread is drifting.
The immigration issue is not really connected with religion, nor how those who see political gain in generating anger/resentment have a tendency to adopt the more extreme elements of religion.
They also have benefit in wearing the clothes of religion when in fact they are usually insincere and cynical. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 10:18 - Aug 19 with 679 views | GasGiant |
| Religion and the far right on 08:53 - Aug 13 by kentsouthampton |
You're right,,those millionaires are going to starve if you tax them more, less than 10% of our population hold 90% of all the wealth yet someone fleeing war and famine is the problem, give me a break. |
Stop thinking of "millionaires" or "the rich" as one group. You need to think about what is meant by "rich". Someone can own a painting worth millions and not have a penny to feed themselves. So sell the painting then, you say. Now imagine that instead of a painting it's a farm. where you have sweated all your life to keep it going, working 7 days a week, yet you can't pay the bills. And when you die, instead of it passing to your son to keep going, you have to sell it to pay "inheritcance tax", because you are a "millionaire" apparently. yet the son according to Labour and to you, is a "Millionaire", just the same a James Dyson, but can't afford a new T V or a holiday let alone the time to take one. Did you make the value of your land rise astonomically? Or was it Tesco down the road getting planning permission to build a new superstore? Should you be forced to sell an asset because of what somebody else did rather than yourself? Your second sentence makes the crazy assumption that without actually knowing anything at all about the people in boats, they must all be telling the truth - because they are in a boat rather than going through immigration.. A bit counter intuitive don't you think? Isn't it funny how many of them claiming to be kurds or Iraqis can actually speak only Albanian? But still, according to your logic because they are sat in a rubber boat they must be kurds or Iraqis, and they must be innocent victims, not economic opportunists with a load of money. Oh yes, and you must also believe that they are more deserving than the ones left behind in Iraq or wherever because they had $10000 in cash to pay the people smuggler. Now how did they come by that money? [Post edited 19 Aug 10:51]
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| Religion and the far right on 16:43 - Aug 19 with 593 views | Southamptonfan |
The high court have ruled that migrants must be removed from the hotel in Epping and agree that no more shall be placed there. I am now reading that other local authorities will also go to the high court, to remove migrants from their communities too.
Huge problems ahead for the government.
Where are they going to go if they can't go into hotels and how much will it cost. Big implications here. [Post edited 19 Aug 16:44]
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| Religion and the far right on 17:56 - Aug 19 with 563 views | mushinexile |
. Now how did they come by that money?
They didn't and they will be in debt to the gang for ever. | |
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| Religion and the far right on 18:27 - Aug 19 with 554 views | Ninja9 |
| Religion and the far right on 17:56 - Aug 19 by mushinexile |
. Now how did they come by that money?
They didn't and they will be in debt to the gang for ever. |
Absolute Garbage | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 18:39 - Aug 19 with 546 views | mushinexile |
You mean, you nasty piece of Fascist human sewage that it doesn't match your agenda. | |
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| Religion and the far right on 20:35 - Aug 19 with 507 views | Ninja9 |
| Religion and the far right on 18:39 - Aug 19 by mushinexile |
You mean, you nasty piece of Fascist human sewage that it doesn't match your agenda. |
Oh dear is the woke leftie upset .
Well you can fook off you talk absolute Shite | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 20:47 - Aug 19 with 495 views | Jellybaby |
| Religion and the far right on 18:39 - Aug 19 by mushinexile |
You mean, you nasty piece of Fascist human sewage that it doesn't match your agenda. |
Are you sure you want to talk to another human being like this Mush, it's not a good look for you or the policies you purport to support? | |
| I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it. |
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| Religion and the far right on 23:34 - Aug 19 with 457 views | Chesham_Saint |
Meanwhile can someone please explain how we’re gonna “tax the rich” ? | |
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| Religion and the far right on 09:58 - Aug 20 with 369 views | mushinexile |
| Religion and the far right on 20:47 - Aug 19 by Jellybaby |
Are you sure you want to talk to another human being like this Mush, it's not a good look for you or the policies you purport to support? |
I don't filter the truth and I truly don't give a fu ck what people think of me because people think what they like, even if it can be proven to tend towards imbecility so there is no point in pandering to their preferences. At least you are only deluded and not necessarily inhuman. You're just the disposable by-product of a post truth world.
NFOAQBM. | |
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