| Religion and the far right 14:47 - Jul 28 with 10951 views | saint901 |
Our news threads are filled with the usual summer madness in the UK of young, lagered up men being told a lie, choosing to believe it and subsequently throwing insults and eventually bricks and worse at anybody who doesn't look like them.
The far right is becoming more mainstream and we se them weaponising fear and making claims that our country (of 70 million) is being "invaded" by a few thousand people arriving here illegally. (If a poor person arrives this way, he/she is illegal. If a rich person arrives and takes years to "clarify" their status, he/she is an "investor". )
More recently I've seen more posts linking being a "christian" to being a "patriot" and that "christians" have a duty - almost a religious duty - to be passing the bricks to those stupid enough to believe the sort of racist and xenophobic nonsense being spouted.
I am not a religious person. I have no issues with those who chose to believe, but I don't. I do however see this linking of the christian culture with what might loosely be called a doctrine in which Caucasian people are seen as in some manner superior to other races or entitled to something just because of accident of birth, as troubling.
I get that this is straight out of the right wing playbook, i.e. create a sense of jeopardy in certain groups to bring them alongside, but from what I understand of christian philosophy, its about tolerance, love they neighbour, turn the other cheek, be a good Samaritan. It's not about hate other people who have less than we do or choose a different set of rules to live by.
(For what it's worth my understanding of other religions is that they have similar ideas but we know that some will chose to interpret the rules in very different ways). |  | | |  |
| Religion and the far right on 17:20 - Jul 30 with 1856 views | franniesTache |
| Religion and the far right on 16:18 - Jul 30 by Southamptonfan |
Yep, but the population of Finland is only 5 million. We can't afford to do it with 70 million people (with too high a percentage of that population needing a home), so much so that the government almost took away benefits from disabled people. Yet, non British people get a hotel for free. It is and does cause many tensions, especially if you are disabled, thinking why should I lose money to give to able people who have just arrived in the country. Or pensioners of course losing their winter fuel payment. [Post edited 30 Jul 16:21]
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I'm pretty sure the finland policy turned out to be a net positive for the economy to the government so actually made them money rather than losing it.
Which would suggest more countries should try it. I mean even a small trial scheme somewhere like bristol would be interesting and show you if you could make it work here.
Much like the four day week stuff I see very little reason not to try these things to be honest. |  | | |
| Religion and the far right on 17:29 - Jul 30 with 1819 views | kentsouthampton |
| Religion and the far right on 15:36 - Jul 30 by Bazza |
'Farage will trash the economy'
'his supporters know this', ' he hurts people they hate'
More complete nonsense, you probably should get professional help now with all the hatred you are carrying.
Maybe you are getting confused with the far right such as Tommy Robinson. |
So you think Farage is economically literate? Would you like to buy some magic beans? |  | | |
| Religion and the far right on 20:16 - Jul 30 with 1737 views | Ninja9 |
| Religion and the far right on 17:29 - Jul 30 by kentsouthampton |
So you think Farage is economically literate? Would you like to buy some magic beans? |
And what makes you economically literate .
We are already Fooked after 20 years of consecutive Leftie Governments . | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 20:23 - Jul 30 with 1735 views | 1885_SFC |
| Religion and the far right on 20:16 - Jul 30 by Ninja9 |
And what makes you economically literate .
We are already Fooked after 20 years of consecutive Leftie Governments . |
Kent is a sandal wearing, vegan cheese eating Liberal leftie. No one takes him seriously when it comes to politics. He's got a weird, unhealthy obsession with Farage. |  |
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| Religion and the far right on 09:14 - Jul 31 with 1627 views | saint901 |
Contributing to the debate above on the plight of the homeless vs the allegedly luxurious accommodation for asylum seekers, I'll add a little experience.
Back in the day when I was a full time commuter to London, I volunteered for the homeless charity one evening a week. Basically we would patrol the streets to find such people and offer then a meal, a hot drink and if we could a bed for the night.
I was initially shocked at how many refused one or more of these. They would often have the drink but when told they could have a bed for the night, would walk away complaining that we were trying to "trap" them.
Many of these people has addictions and/or mental health issues and they saw being inducted into society by the offer of a free bed as "the man" trying to interfere in their lives. They were not ready to confront their addiction and perhaps did not realise the extent of their mental health issues.
I heard stories of people who had been in a more normal life pattern, became homeless for perhaps a few months or years, returned to a normal life pattern with some help but then chose to go back to being homeless.
In the end you accept that some people prefer that way of life and not all of them would go back to home and hearth.
Finland is different. High taxes to fund high welfare and in the winter, sleeping outside will literally kill you. They therefore had some push incentives. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 09:30 - Jul 31 with 1617 views | saint901 |
I'll also contribute to the situation around Farage.
He is, in my view, a skilled political manipulator when it comes to spotting those elements of society who are angry at the status quo or who are easily susceptible to suggestion that somebody else has it better than them because of the present Gov't.
He does this because as a fringe party trying to gain a foothold in mainstream politics, he needs to be seen as somebody who can control the mob and therefore can make life easier or harder for the Gov't. Cleary he hopes that he can buy influence this way.
His use of provocative statements is calculated and plays into the Mr Angry mind set. This group does not really care what they are angry about, just that they are and need a place to vent. Aiming them at those fleeing war and persecution by telling them that these people are really rapists, gang members and worse, is easy because nobody is listening to those here illegally.
Do I think he is racist? Yes but in a very general way. Basically unless you are white Caucasian, preferably male, then you are a target.
If you are the above but here illegally awaiting the legal system to make a decision, then you are likely to be a rapist with a skewed view that white women are plagued with loose morals and nobody cares if they are violated. (Go and find a recent interview between Sarah Pochin and Nick Ferrari in which the former makes a series of "factual statements" which she is then forced to backtrack on).
If therefore Farage and Reform gain power by being able to whip up mob hatred what happens when that runs out of control?
The answer is that Farage says "nothing to do with me" when its obvious that its everything to do with him. This is cowardice of the highest order. If you have a plan/strategy to use provocative language and emotional targets but then deny accountability, it speaks volumes as to the underlying character of the man and his machine.
Neither he nor his chaotic party can be taken seriously.
It's a position that most centrist parties will struggle to contain or work against. A strong Tory party (rather than one more interested in stabbing each other in the back led by somebody who is too weak to bring them together) could do it. Personally after the mayhem of the previous Tory administrations, I hope they find that leader and that the Tories and Reform tear each other to shreds fighting for the right flank. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 09:44 - Jul 31 with 1609 views | Jellybaby |
| Religion and the far right on 20:23 - Jul 30 by 1885_SFC |
Kent is a sandal wearing, vegan cheese eating Liberal leftie. No one takes him seriously when it comes to politics. He's got a weird, unhealthy obsession with Farage. |
Steady on 1885, this is 901's first lieutenant lackey you are talking about - he won't let you get away with that! Oh, he didn't - but fair enough it's his echo chamber after all!  | |
| I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it. |
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| Religion and the far right on 10:42 - Jul 31 with 1578 views | saint901 |
| Religion and the far right on 09:44 - Jul 31 by Jellybaby |
Steady on 1885, this is 901's first lieutenant lackey you are talking about - he won't let you get away with that! Oh, he didn't - but fair enough it's his echo chamber after all! |
I'm flattered Jelly that you think of me often.
I can't say I reciprocate that.
I appreciate that you sometimes struggle to deal with us "normies" and our brainwashed positions (after all who needs facts and verification and proof) but I ask you to remember that even "echo chambers" have a door you can leave by. | | | |
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| Religion and the far right on 12:44 - Jul 31 with 1543 views | Jellybaby |
| Religion and the far right on 10:42 - Jul 31 by saint901 |
I'm flattered Jelly that you think of me often.
I can't say I reciprocate that.
I appreciate that you sometimes struggle to deal with us "normies" and our brainwashed positions (after all who needs facts and verification and proof) but I ask you to remember that even "echo chambers" have a door you can leave by. |
Oh Niney, you old heartbreaker, I know I can't compete with your faithful friend kent for your affections.
Thanks for reaffirming there is a door to this particular echo chamber, as there was that other one that you blew up after losing control lol 😆 | |
| I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it. |
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| Religion and the far right on 16:16 - Jul 31 with 1505 views | saint901 |
Getting a little obsessive there, Jelly old bean?
As I recall the thread was a valid one until you arrived and diverted it back to your other obsession, the fact that we're living in a Matrix like world, controlled and directed by an elite which wants to kill us.
I think most of us regular posters are aware of your pathological tendency to remind us that you have a vision denied us normies (and for all I know may be member of said elite).
Many of us have tried to save you for yourself but all in vain. I admire you for sticking to your theories given the complete lack of proof (or at least no proof you're willing to share).
However, a thread which has been polluted by such theories as yours no longer serves a purpose and closing it is sensible, efficient and logical.
You could always ask for it to be reinstated as it clearly bothers you a lot (and perhaps that is a sign of the mind set required to obtain the clarity of vision you think none of have.)
As for Mr Kent, I have no idea who he/she is. I have certainly never had any sustained or substantial conversation or written comms with him/her. I understand however that you will see this denial as "proof" of connection so I've probably wasted a few pixels here.
Anyway, this is another interesting debate diverted and ruined. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 18:21 - Jul 31 with 1472 views | Ninja9 |
| Religion and the far right on 16:16 - Jul 31 by saint901 |
Getting a little obsessive there, Jelly old bean?
As I recall the thread was a valid one until you arrived and diverted it back to your other obsession, the fact that we're living in a Matrix like world, controlled and directed by an elite which wants to kill us.
I think most of us regular posters are aware of your pathological tendency to remind us that you have a vision denied us normies (and for all I know may be member of said elite).
Many of us have tried to save you for yourself but all in vain. I admire you for sticking to your theories given the complete lack of proof (or at least no proof you're willing to share).
However, a thread which has been polluted by such theories as yours no longer serves a purpose and closing it is sensible, efficient and logical.
You could always ask for it to be reinstated as it clearly bothers you a lot (and perhaps that is a sign of the mind set required to obtain the clarity of vision you think none of have.)
As for Mr Kent, I have no idea who he/she is. I have certainly never had any sustained or substantial conversation or written comms with him/her. I understand however that you will see this denial as "proof" of connection so I've probably wasted a few pixels here.
Anyway, this is another interesting debate diverted and ruined. |
You dont speak for me mate .
You talk utter leftie shite . Jelly is absolutely spot on . If anyone disagrees with your
Leftie views you get all upset . Some of us think for ourselves and are not swayed by Leftie idealistic shite . | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 16:07 - Aug 1 with 1386 views | kentsouthampton |
| Religion and the far right on 18:21 - Jul 31 by Ninja9 |
You dont speak for me mate .
You talk utter leftie shite . Jelly is absolutely spot on . If anyone disagrees with your
Leftie views you get all upset . Some of us think for ourselves and are not swayed by Leftie idealistic shite . |
What a waste of ink. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 20:37 - Aug 1 with 1274 views | Ninja9 |
| Religion and the far right on 16:07 - Aug 1 by kentsouthampton |
What a waste of ink. |
Leftie muppet | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 16:27 - Aug 2 with 1103 views | kentsouthampton |
| Religion and the far right on 20:37 - Aug 1 by Ninja9 |
Leftie muppet |
If they put your brains in a bumblebee it would fly backwards. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 19:29 - Aug 2 with 1065 views | Ninja9 |
| Religion and the far right on 16:27 - Aug 2 by kentsouthampton |
If they put your brains in a bumblebee it would fly backwards. |
You complete fookin Leftie Luvie .
Its no wonder we are fooked with people like you around .
I know its difficult for you but try thinking for yourself for a change
instead of following the crowd .
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| Religion and the far right on 07:16 - Aug 3 with 984 views | mushinexile |
| Religion and the far right on 19:29 - Aug 2 by Ninja9 |
You complete fookin Leftie Luvie .
Its no wonder we are fooked with people like you around .
I know its difficult for you but try thinking for yourself for a change
instead of following the crowd .
Thick cut |
The Ninja 9 is
clearly old tech. Today's cake mixers are intelligent. | |
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| Religion and the far right on 10:06 - Aug 3 with 957 views | kingolaf |
I think we are a very tolerant nation but that has reached a tipping point.
Grooming gangs, sharia law, British women being sexually abused by ethnic minorities, money we haven’t got being thrown at asylum seekers that are all young men who we can’t background check and are not genuine asylum seekers, while the country is skint and cuts are being made elsewhere.
I don’t like religion being brought into it. There will always be those who use it as a weapon, but to others it is a genuine comfort. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 09:13 - Aug 4 with 858 views | saint901 |
Morning all.
Trigger warning.
Apparently I'm a "leftie" who talks "shite". Please bear that in mind when reading on.
There is a comment above which talks about "British" women being abused by men who apparently risk their lives to arrive on a small boat.
I'm assuming that by "British" women, the poster actually means white Caucasian women as opposed to those British women who dare to have brown or black or any other shade skin colour.
Something like half of all rapes (of women and men) are committed by an "intimate partner". Of the remainder, around two thirds are committed by a family member.
A further proportion are committed by people known to the victim.
Roughly 7% of all rapes are committed by strangers - still too high.
Of that 7% less than a third (under 2%) are recorded as being committed by people in the UK illegally - or legally and awaiting a decision on an asylum claim.
The far right parties messages are that young brown/black/olive skinned men are coming here ONLY in order to rape and molest our "white" women.
Before you believe that, just look at the facts perhaps? | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 09:16 - Aug 4 with 853 views | kingolaf |
| Religion and the far right on 09:13 - Aug 4 by saint901 |
Morning all.
Trigger warning.
Apparently I'm a "leftie" who talks "shite". Please bear that in mind when reading on.
There is a comment above which talks about "British" women being abused by men who apparently risk their lives to arrive on a small boat.
I'm assuming that by "British" women, the poster actually means white Caucasian women as opposed to those British women who dare to have brown or black or any other shade skin colour.
Something like half of all rapes (of women and men) are committed by an "intimate partner". Of the remainder, around two thirds are committed by a family member.
A further proportion are committed by people known to the victim.
Roughly 7% of all rapes are committed by strangers - still too high.
Of that 7% less than a third (under 2%) are recorded as being committed by people in the UK illegally - or legally and awaiting a decision on an asylum claim.
The far right parties messages are that young brown/black/olive skinned men are coming here ONLY in order to rape and molest our "white" women.
Before you believe that, just look at the facts perhaps? |
Pathetic, you obviously don’t have daughters.
And I am aware of the fact that rapes occurred before the boats as well. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 10:18 - Aug 4 with 815 views | saint901 |
Good morning.
I do have a daughter thank you.
So if you accept that rape and sexual assault were sadly part of British life before these people risked their lives to arrive here but at the same time think that they are coming here solely to rape British (white) women?
Help me out here and explain that apparent logic and preferably back it up with real numbers (and not those made up by politicians who just want to play on your anger). | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 10:44 - Aug 4 with 805 views | kingolaf |
| Religion and the far right on 10:18 - Aug 4 by saint901 |
Good morning.
I do have a daughter thank you.
So if you accept that rape and sexual assault were sadly part of British life before these people risked their lives to arrive here but at the same time think that they are coming here solely to rape British (white) women?
Help me out here and explain that apparent logic and preferably back it up with real numbers (and not those made up by politicians who just want to play on your anger). |
You’re just twisting things. Fact is, undocumented males have come to this country and attacked women.
Undocumented, because they are playing the system. We’re just getting the crap that their own countries don’t want. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 11:18 - Aug 4 with 791 views | saint901 |
If using the FACTS is "twisting things" = guilty.
According to the latest stats I can find, net migration to the UK in the 12 months to (I think) June last year was around 430,000. That was down from around 700,000 in the previous 12 months.
The single largest cause of the reduction was new rules banning students from bringing in family members and also requiring those who had completed their studies a more limited time to find a job or leave. (Was 24 months, now 18). Of those 431k, less than 40,000 were classed as "informal arrivals", i.e. arrived on boats, lorries, etc.
There are no accurate figures for sexual crimes in a comparable period. Equally there are no claims I can find that such crimes have increased dramatically. (Plenty of claims that the conviction rate is woefully low but that is across the board and as I mentioned, 6 in 7 such crimes are committed by family members or known persons).
There are certainly instances in which newly arrived individuals have been investigated/arrested for such crimes. I searched news databases and have found perhaps a dozen or so reports in the last six months. The degree of seriousness of such crimes is largely irrelevant but they seem to range from a simple misunderstanding to a deliberate targeting of women. None of those is acceptable.
The fact remains however that it is in the interests of Reform and those organisations further to the right to create and provoke anger because they want votes and attention. The refugee/sexual crimes connection is therefore made into a loud issue and facts etc are blatantly misused.
By all means be angry about sexual crimes and the lack of convictions but beware those trying to manipulate your anger for their own purposes. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 12:31 - Aug 4 with 782 views | kingolaf |
| Religion and the far right on 11:18 - Aug 4 by saint901 |
If using the FACTS is "twisting things" = guilty.
According to the latest stats I can find, net migration to the UK in the 12 months to (I think) June last year was around 430,000. That was down from around 700,000 in the previous 12 months.
The single largest cause of the reduction was new rules banning students from bringing in family members and also requiring those who had completed their studies a more limited time to find a job or leave. (Was 24 months, now 18). Of those 431k, less than 40,000 were classed as "informal arrivals", i.e. arrived on boats, lorries, etc.
There are no accurate figures for sexual crimes in a comparable period. Equally there are no claims I can find that such crimes have increased dramatically. (Plenty of claims that the conviction rate is woefully low but that is across the board and as I mentioned, 6 in 7 such crimes are committed by family members or known persons).
There are certainly instances in which newly arrived individuals have been investigated/arrested for such crimes. I searched news databases and have found perhaps a dozen or so reports in the last six months. The degree of seriousness of such crimes is largely irrelevant but they seem to range from a simple misunderstanding to a deliberate targeting of women. None of those is acceptable.
The fact remains however that it is in the interests of Reform and those organisations further to the right to create and provoke anger because they want votes and attention. The refugee/sexual crimes connection is therefore made into a loud issue and facts etc are blatantly misused.
By all means be angry about sexual crimes and the lack of convictions but beware those trying to manipulate your anger for their own purposes. |
You really are a sanctimonious prick. | | | |
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