| Religion and the far right 14:47 - Jul 28 with 2439 views | saint901 |
Our news threads are filled with the usual summer madness in the UK of young, lagered up men being told a lie, choosing to believe it and subsequently throwing insults and eventually bricks and worse at anybody who doesn't look like them.
The far right is becoming more mainstream and we se them weaponising fear and making claims that our country (of 70 million) is being "invaded" by a few thousand people arriving here illegally. (If a poor person arrives this way, he/she is illegal. If a rich person arrives and takes years to "clarify" their status, he/she is an "investor". )
More recently I've seen more posts linking being a "christian" to being a "patriot" and that "christians" have a duty - almost a religious duty - to be passing the bricks to those stupid enough to believe the sort of racist and xenophobic nonsense being spouted.
I am not a religious person. I have no issues with those who chose to believe, but I don't. I do however see this linking of the christian culture with what might loosely be called a doctrine in which Caucasian people are seen as in some manner superior to other races or entitled to something just because of accident of birth, as troubling.
I get that this is straight out of the right wing playbook, i.e. create a sense of jeopardy in certain groups to bring them alongside, but from what I understand of christian philosophy, its about tolerance, love they neighbour, turn the other cheek, be a good Samaritan. It's not about hate other people who have less than we do or choose a different set of rules to live by.
(For what it's worth my understanding of other religions is that they have similar ideas but we know that some will chose to interpret the rules in very different ways). |  | | |  |
| Religion and the far right on 17:20 - Jul 30 with 830 views | franniesTache |
| Religion and the far right on 16:18 - Jul 30 by Southamptonfan |
Yep, but the population of Finland is only 5 million. We can't afford to do it with 70 million people (with too high a percentage of that population needing a home), so much so that the government almost took away benefits from disabled people. Yet, non British people get a hotel for free. It is and does cause many tensions, especially if you are disabled, thinking why should I lose money to give to able people who have just arrived in the country. Or pensioners of course losing their winter fuel payment. [Post edited 30 Jul 16:21]
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I'm pretty sure the finland policy turned out to be a net positive for the economy to the government so actually made them money rather than losing it.
Which would suggest more countries should try it. I mean even a small trial scheme somewhere like bristol would be interesting and show you if you could make it work here.
Much like the four day week stuff I see very little reason not to try these things to be honest. |  | | |
| Religion and the far right on 17:29 - Jul 30 with 793 views | kentsouthampton |
| Religion and the far right on 15:36 - Jul 30 by Bazza |
'Farage will trash the economy'
'his supporters know this', ' he hurts people they hate'
More complete nonsense, you probably should get professional help now with all the hatred you are carrying.
Maybe you are getting confused with the far right such as Tommy Robinson. |
So you think Farage is economically literate? Would you like to buy some magic beans? |  | | |
| Religion and the far right on 20:16 - Jul 30 with 712 views | Ninja9 |
| Religion and the far right on 17:29 - Jul 30 by kentsouthampton |
So you think Farage is economically literate? Would you like to buy some magic beans? |
And what makes you economically literate .
We are already Fooked after 20 years of consecutive Leftie Governments . | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 20:23 - Jul 30 with 709 views | 1885_SFC |
| Religion and the far right on 20:16 - Jul 30 by Ninja9 |
And what makes you economically literate .
We are already Fooked after 20 years of consecutive Leftie Governments . |
Kent is a sandal wearing, vegan cheese eating Liberal leftie. No one takes him seriously when it comes to politics. He's got a weird, unhealthy obsession with Farage. |  |
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| Religion and the far right on 09:14 - Jul 31 with 601 views | saint901 |
Contributing to the debate above on the plight of the homeless vs the allegedly luxurious accommodation for asylum seekers, I'll add a little experience.
Back in the day when I was a full time commuter to London, I volunteered for the homeless charity one evening a week. Basically we would patrol the streets to find such people and offer then a meal, a hot drink and if we could a bed for the night.
I was initially shocked at how many refused one or more of these. They would often have the drink but when told they could have a bed for the night, would walk away complaining that we were trying to "trap" them.
Many of these people has addictions and/or mental health issues and they saw being inducted into society by the offer of a free bed as "the man" trying to interfere in their lives. They were not ready to confront their addiction and perhaps did not realise the extent of their mental health issues.
I heard stories of people who had been in a more normal life pattern, became homeless for perhaps a few months or years, returned to a normal life pattern with some help but then chose to go back to being homeless.
In the end you accept that some people prefer that way of life and not all of them would go back to home and hearth.
Finland is different. High taxes to fund high welfare and in the winter, sleeping outside will literally kill you. They therefore had some push incentives. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 09:30 - Jul 31 with 591 views | saint901 |
I'll also contribute to the situation around Farage.
He is, in my view, a skilled political manipulator when it comes to spotting those elements of society who are angry at the status quo or who are easily susceptible to suggestion that somebody else has it better than them because of the present Gov't.
He does this because as a fringe party trying to gain a foothold in mainstream politics, he needs to be seen as somebody who can control the mob and therefore can make life easier or harder for the Gov't. Cleary he hopes that he can buy influence this way.
His use of provocative statements is calculated and plays into the Mr Angry mind set. This group does not really care what they are angry about, just that they are and need a place to vent. Aiming them at those fleeing war and persecution by telling them that these people are really rapists, gang members and worse, is easy because nobody is listening to those here illegally.
Do I think he is racist? Yes but in a very general way. Basically unless you are white Caucasian, preferably male, then you are a target.
If you are the above but here illegally awaiting the legal system to make a decision, then you are likely to be a rapist with a skewed view that white women are plagued with loose morals and nobody cares if they are violated. (Go and find a recent interview between Sarah Pochin and Nick Ferrari in which the former makes a series of "factual statements" which she is then forced to backtrack on).
If therefore Farage and Reform gain power by being able to whip up mob hatred what happens when that runs out of control?
The answer is that Farage says "nothing to do with me" when its obvious that its everything to do with him. This is cowardice of the highest order. If you have a plan/strategy to use provocative language and emotional targets but then deny accountability, it speaks volumes as to the underlying character of the man and his machine.
Neither he nor his chaotic party can be taken seriously.
It's a position that most centrist parties will struggle to contain or work against. A strong Tory party (rather than one more interested in stabbing each other in the back led by somebody who is too weak to bring them together) could do it. Personally after the mayhem of the previous Tory administrations, I hope they find that leader and that the Tories and Reform tear each other to shreds fighting for the right flank. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 09:44 - Jul 31 with 583 views | Jellybaby |
| Religion and the far right on 20:23 - Jul 30 by 1885_SFC |
Kent is a sandal wearing, vegan cheese eating Liberal leftie. No one takes him seriously when it comes to politics. He's got a weird, unhealthy obsession with Farage. |
Steady on 1885, this is 901's first lieutenant lackey you are talking about - he won't let you get away with that! Oh, he didn't - but fair enough it's his echo chamber after all!  | |
| I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it. |
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| Religion and the far right on 10:42 - Jul 31 with 552 views | saint901 |
| Religion and the far right on 09:44 - Jul 31 by Jellybaby |
Steady on 1885, this is 901's first lieutenant lackey you are talking about - he won't let you get away with that! Oh, he didn't - but fair enough it's his echo chamber after all! |
I'm flattered Jelly that you think of me often.
I can't say I reciprocate that.
I appreciate that you sometimes struggle to deal with us "normies" and our brainwashed positions (after all who needs facts and verification and proof) but I ask you to remember that even "echo chambers" have a door you can leave by. | | | |
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| Religion and the far right on 12:44 - Jul 31 with 517 views | Jellybaby |
| Religion and the far right on 10:42 - Jul 31 by saint901 |
I'm flattered Jelly that you think of me often.
I can't say I reciprocate that.
I appreciate that you sometimes struggle to deal with us "normies" and our brainwashed positions (after all who needs facts and verification and proof) but I ask you to remember that even "echo chambers" have a door you can leave by. |
Oh Niney, you old heartbreaker, I know I can't compete with your faithful friend kent for your affections.
Thanks for reaffirming there is a door to this particular echo chamber, as there was that other one that you blew up after losing control lol 😆 | |
| I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it. |
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| Religion and the far right on 16:16 - Jul 31 with 479 views | saint901 |
Getting a little obsessive there, Jelly old bean?
As I recall the thread was a valid one until you arrived and diverted it back to your other obsession, the fact that we're living in a Matrix like world, controlled and directed by an elite which wants to kill us.
I think most of us regular posters are aware of your pathological tendency to remind us that you have a vision denied us normies (and for all I know may be member of said elite).
Many of us have tried to save you for yourself but all in vain. I admire you for sticking to your theories given the complete lack of proof (or at least no proof you're willing to share).
However, a thread which has been polluted by such theories as yours no longer serves a purpose and closing it is sensible, efficient and logical.
You could always ask for it to be reinstated as it clearly bothers you a lot (and perhaps that is a sign of the mind set required to obtain the clarity of vision you think none of have.)
As for Mr Kent, I have no idea who he/she is. I have certainly never had any sustained or substantial conversation or written comms with him/her. I understand however that you will see this denial as "proof" of connection so I've probably wasted a few pixels here.
Anyway, this is another interesting debate diverted and ruined. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 18:21 - Jul 31 with 447 views | Ninja9 |
| Religion and the far right on 16:16 - Jul 31 by saint901 |
Getting a little obsessive there, Jelly old bean?
As I recall the thread was a valid one until you arrived and diverted it back to your other obsession, the fact that we're living in a Matrix like world, controlled and directed by an elite which wants to kill us.
I think most of us regular posters are aware of your pathological tendency to remind us that you have a vision denied us normies (and for all I know may be member of said elite).
Many of us have tried to save you for yourself but all in vain. I admire you for sticking to your theories given the complete lack of proof (or at least no proof you're willing to share).
However, a thread which has been polluted by such theories as yours no longer serves a purpose and closing it is sensible, efficient and logical.
You could always ask for it to be reinstated as it clearly bothers you a lot (and perhaps that is a sign of the mind set required to obtain the clarity of vision you think none of have.)
As for Mr Kent, I have no idea who he/she is. I have certainly never had any sustained or substantial conversation or written comms with him/her. I understand however that you will see this denial as "proof" of connection so I've probably wasted a few pixels here.
Anyway, this is another interesting debate diverted and ruined. |
You dont speak for me mate .
You talk utter leftie shite . Jelly is absolutely spot on . If anyone disagrees with your
Leftie views you get all upset . Some of us think for ourselves and are not swayed by Leftie idealistic shite . | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 16:07 - Aug 1 with 360 views | kentsouthampton |
| Religion and the far right on 18:21 - Jul 31 by Ninja9 |
You dont speak for me mate .
You talk utter leftie shite . Jelly is absolutely spot on . If anyone disagrees with your
Leftie views you get all upset . Some of us think for ourselves and are not swayed by Leftie idealistic shite . |
What a waste of ink. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 20:37 - Aug 1 with 249 views | Ninja9 |
| Religion and the far right on 16:07 - Aug 1 by kentsouthampton |
What a waste of ink. |
Leftie muppet | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 16:27 - Aug 2 with 77 views | kentsouthampton |
| Religion and the far right on 20:37 - Aug 1 by Ninja9 |
Leftie muppet |
If they put your brains in a bumblebee it would fly backwards. | | | |
| Religion and the far right on 19:29 - Aug 2 with 40 views | Ninja9 |
| Religion and the far right on 16:27 - Aug 2 by kentsouthampton |
If they put your brains in a bumblebee it would fly backwards. |
You complete fookin Leftie Luvie .
Its no wonder we are fooked with people like you around .
I know its difficult for you but try thinking for yourself for a change
instead of following the crowd .
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