| Tom Myles Signs 16:08 - Jul 31 with 4519 views | Bainesy15 |
Keeper, initial one-year deal after trial.
Haven't seen him play, but not the experienced head we seemingly needed to push Whatmuff for the no.1 shirt... [Post edited 31 Jul 16:09]
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| Tom Myles Signs on 22:19 - Jul 31 with 1830 views | TalkingSutty |
| Tom Myles Signs on 21:32 - Jul 31 by 442Dale |
Thanks for the info. Again, having info behind decision making helps fans to understand it better, even if we might not all agree. Removing speculation in the way the club have with a forum and Fitzo has with his article has to be a positive. |
Agree with that. |  | | |
| Tom Myles Signs on 23:31 - Jul 31 with 1640 views | SuddenLad |
| Tom Myles Signs on 18:45 - Jul 31 by pnc4eva1 |
Anyone thinking of a song yet...
For some reason
Cockney Rebel seems appropriate |
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| Tom Myles Signs on 23:40 - Jul 31 with 1613 views | Daley_Lama |
I remember Dale signing a 21 year old keeper on loan for a year not too long ago. Took him a few games to get up to speed but did all right after that.
Last time i looked he was lifting a cup called the world club championship and the golden gloves award too.
Good luck to both young guns in net this season. |  |
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| Tom Myles Signs on 07:24 - Aug 1 with 1378 views | TalkingSutty |
| Tom Myles Signs on 21:21 - Jul 31 by isitme |
The question was asked.
Jim was not happy with having 5 different keepers last season and the issues it caused. He alluded to younger keepers who supporters have warmed to in the past and that Whatmuff is very highly rated. He mentioned budgets, balancing the spending across different areas of the squad and how the club has tended to operate resourcing goal keepers the past few seasons. Jim did say he had spoken to experienced keepers, but reading between the lines that Whatmuff is better than what was available in our budget and that money that could have been spent on a more experienced back up has been spent elsewhere.
It is a risk, but one I understand. Would you rather spend more on a back up keeper who hopefully will never play or use the money for depth elsewhere? If things do go wrong there is always a loan keeper available. |
It's not just the back up keeper though, its also the first choice keeper. A 17 year old rooky with no experience at this level. If lack of experience was our downfall last season and its something the manager himself identified then why has he decided to neglect the most important position on the pitch? The budget excuse is just that, an excuse. The budget has been large enough this summer to bring in a experienced goalkeeper surely. Why is the goalkeeping position the only one that can operate with inexperienced young players according to McNulty? Its a arrangement that obviously suits Man City and those who run their academy but its the complete opposite of what McNulty cited as our downfall last season, experience. I predict that we will be on the merry go round of different keepers again this season and the decision to play rooky goalkeepers will come back to bite us again. I sometimes wonder if currying favour with the local Premiership clubs clouds the judgement of what's actually required in order to compete with the best clubs in this league. I'll be surprised if any other club in this league has such a inexperienced first choice goalkeeper in their starting eleven. Anyway, its the managers call but we dont all have to agee with him or his explanation. If he wanted to prioritise a experienced goalkeeper the Ogdens gave him a healthy budget to do that. [Post edited 1 Aug 7:29]
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| Tom Myles Signs on 07:55 - Aug 1 with 1307 views | AtThePeake |
I've not seen Whatmuff play yet but the fact we're clearly going to rely on him as first-choice this season has actually made me a bit excited. He must be very, very, very good for his age. |  |
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| Tom Myles Signs on 08:13 - Aug 1 with 1280 views | Trev |
It's either a really poor call from Jim or he's being a little economical with the truth. I'm choosing to take his comments with a large pinch of salt. I hope it doesn't come back to haunt us. |  | | |
| Tom Myles Signs on 08:14 - Aug 1 with 1278 views | davidab2202 |
If as seems to be the case that we are going with a young inexperienced keeper whether it be Whatmuff or Myles, it is imperative that we all get behind him and support him as I am sure mistakes will occur.
Appreciate that there will always be the situation that we could still bring in another loan keeper at any stage of the season , but I do fear that action would possibly have a devastating effect on their future careers | | | |
| Tom Myles Signs on 08:31 - Aug 1 with 1242 views | TalkingSutty |
| Tom Myles Signs on 08:14 - Aug 1 by davidab2202 |
If as seems to be the case that we are going with a young inexperienced keeper whether it be Whatmuff or Myles, it is imperative that we all get behind him and support him as I am sure mistakes will occur.
Appreciate that there will always be the situation that we could still bring in another loan keeper at any stage of the season , but I do fear that action would possibly have a devastating effect on their future careers |
To be honest i'm more bothered about whats best for our own club than the future of other clubs players. That's the priority. We can have experience all over the pitch but if their effortts are being impacted by inexperiencrd goalkeepers then moral will soon nose dive. The goalkeeping situation cost us big time last season. | | | |
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| Tom Myles Signs on 08:36 - Aug 1 with 1233 views | 442Dale |
| Tom Myles Signs on 07:24 - Aug 1 by TalkingSutty |
It's not just the back up keeper though, its also the first choice keeper. A 17 year old rooky with no experience at this level. If lack of experience was our downfall last season and its something the manager himself identified then why has he decided to neglect the most important position on the pitch? The budget excuse is just that, an excuse. The budget has been large enough this summer to bring in a experienced goalkeeper surely. Why is the goalkeeping position the only one that can operate with inexperienced young players according to McNulty? Its a arrangement that obviously suits Man City and those who run their academy but its the complete opposite of what McNulty cited as our downfall last season, experience. I predict that we will be on the merry go round of different keepers again this season and the decision to play rooky goalkeepers will come back to bite us again. I sometimes wonder if currying favour with the local Premiership clubs clouds the judgement of what's actually required in order to compete with the best clubs in this league. I'll be surprised if any other club in this league has such a inexperienced first choice goalkeeper in their starting eleven. Anyway, its the managers call but we dont all have to agee with him or his explanation. If he wanted to prioritise a experienced goalkeeper the Ogdens gave him a healthy budget to do that. [Post edited 1 Aug 7:29]
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It was not having the experience of games like the semi and the playoff that McNulty mentioned in his interview. Not across the season.
Without disagreeing that we could have done with an experienced option, it seems to be the case they would only have been challenging Whatmuff, not coming in as a no.1. If an experienced option fell through and we felt the budget was better used elsewhere at this stage is the manager’s choice and one he’ll be judged on.
But the plan was there to bring in a keeper with more experience initially before things changed going off what isitme has posted - would have to watch the forum again when it’s on YouTube.
What’s more important is we have a consistent no.1, the amount of keepers we had to use last season due to injury impacted us far more than their age.
Let’s not forget we might not have a club right now if we’d gone with experience over a 17 year old in 1987… A good keeper is a good keeper. |  |
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| Tom Myles Signs on 12:25 - Aug 1 with 934 views | isitme |
| Tom Myles Signs on 07:55 - Aug 1 by AtThePeake |
I've not seen Whatmuff play yet but the fact we're clearly going to rely on him as first-choice this season has actually made me a bit excited. He must be very, very, very good for his age. |
I'm paraphrasing a little here but Jim's comment was something on the lines of 'in a few years everyone will know about him'. He has played for England Under 18 so he must have some ability. I've no seen him play yet. Hopefully he will do well. |  | | |
| Tom Myles Signs on 12:31 - Aug 1 with 910 views | isitme |
| Tom Myles Signs on 08:36 - Aug 1 by 442Dale |
It was not having the experience of games like the semi and the playoff that McNulty mentioned in his interview. Not across the season.
Without disagreeing that we could have done with an experienced option, it seems to be the case they would only have been challenging Whatmuff, not coming in as a no.1. If an experienced option fell through and we felt the budget was better used elsewhere at this stage is the manager’s choice and one he’ll be judged on.
But the plan was there to bring in a keeper with more experience initially before things changed going off what isitme has posted - would have to watch the forum again when it’s on YouTube.
What’s more important is we have a consistent no.1, the amount of keepers we had to use last season due to injury impacted us far more than their age.
Let’s not forget we might not have a club right now if we’d gone with experience over a 17 year old in 1987… A good keeper is a good keeper. |
I am not even sure (from what was said at the forum) that it was the plan to bring in an experienced keeper and Whatmuff was plan B when they fell through, just that discussions were had with experienced keepers.
It could be that they went elsewhere, were stuck and got Whatmuff or that Whatmuff was always the number one target and when he became available Jim decided he was a better option than the alternatives. | | | |
| Tom Myles Signs on 13:11 - Aug 1 with 801 views | TalkingSutty |
| Tom Myles Signs on 12:53 - Aug 1 by diplodocus |
do you know our exact budget for a goalie? me neither. but the Ogdens have backed BJ in the rest of the field. do you know which experienced goalies are available at the moment? me neither. do you know what salary any experienced goalies that are free are asking? me neither. etc. etc. etc.  |
Seems you don't know much🤣🤣 | | | |
| Tom Myles Signs on 13:15 - Aug 2 with 367 views | diplodocus |
| Tom Myles Signs on 13:11 - Aug 1 by TalkingSutty |
Seems you don't know much🤣🤣 |
I don't. but what I do know I mainly pick up on here.  | | | |
| Tom Myles Signs on 13:18 - Aug 2 with 364 views | diplodocus |
| Tom Myles Signs on 13:11 - Aug 1 by TalkingSutty |
Seems you don't know much🤣🤣 |
PS: I also don't know how you got TWO smilies that aren't on the list of options.  | | | |
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