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Great to see so many youngsters involved in the first team training.Spotted 16 year old striker Ashley Trujillo 1:07 , would love to know what the clubs plan is for him. Is he too young for a loan?
1000% there will not be x6 new signings coming in. Unless you still have a contact at the club?
I think we will leverage the loan market. Hopefully for a striker, left back and maybe a box to box midfielder to rat in lieu of Colback
From the DS Emerson looked good, but we might see a breakout from Alfie Tuck. He looked really neat, if he can bulk up then there is some player there
There will be a couple of strikers coming in, at least 1x full back, maybe two if Esquardinha goes, a midfielder and whoever Jamie Reuben sends down from Newcastle on deadline day.
Tuck right or wrongly has as much chance of being thrown in as you or I.
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Inside training video on 20:30 - Aug 7 with 1560 views
Inside training video on 13:39 - Aug 7 by Northernr
Southampton 2008/09 might be a cautionary tale.
Abandoned previous approach under direction from the boardroom - Rupert Lowe. Appointed European coach with reputation for attacking football and developing youngsters - Jan Poortvliet. Said, fck it, we're going with the academy. This anacademy that had already produced Bale and Walcott at this point, and that season contributed players including Adam Lallana, Andrew Surman and Nathan Dyer. Went down second bottom with 45 points. We beat them 4-1 down here.
Many Adam Lallanas kicking round our development squad?
What was our previous approach? All ive seen is 30 years of going from one crisis to another while trying to do the same thing worse than the time before. I'll happily abandon that.
Do we have an Adam Lallana type in the DS? Highly doubtful, but we'll never know if the youngsters are not given an opportunity.
I should be clear, I'm not advocating a team full of DS players as that's suicide, but they'll be the back up until they are ready to start. All for that.
There will be a couple of strikers coming in, at least 1x full back, maybe two if Esquardinha goes, a midfielder and whoever Jamie Reuben sends down from Newcastle on deadline day.
Tuck right or wrongly has as much chance of being thrown in as you or I.
Do you know what the issue is with Esquardinha?
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Inside training video on 21:24 - Aug 7 with 1376 views
Easy to think it's just QPR (from PNE's fans forum):
'Robbie Brady injured a calf to add to Prestonās crazy injury list.
The Republic of Ireland veteran damaged a calf in the closed door defeat to Manchester City.
Brady could be out for weeks and that comes after Jordan Thompson, Brad Potts and Will Keane picked up strains that will keep them out of the start and for weeks after.'
'Just reading Georgeās latest article in the LP about injuries, itās poor that he has to rely on Alan Nixon to re report potential injuries to Brady, Potts and Keane. Surely he should be given an early nod and if not, how do the club expect to try and keep him sweet ?'
'tbf, the club aren't going to be officially confirming injury news in the run-up to the first game of the season - he'll get more of a chance to ask questions after the QPR game.'
'Weāve put together a very decent League One starting eleven there'
'Well that's us even more fu cked then'
Why we all love football...
Presume pre-match interview tomorrow will give us a clearer picture š¤
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Inside training video on 22:15 - Aug 7 with 1292 views
Inside training video on 14:21 - Aug 7 by Hunterhoop
Exactly.
If you throw a load of DS players into the first team, without experience and physicality around them, you are setting them up to fail. That is not good management or a good strategy. It could damage their progress, hit their confidence, bring in doubt.
The environment for blooding youth is critical.
Those DS players may go on to be sellable assets and worth millions. They may even be at the Championship standard already (I doubt any are, but fine). But they do not know everything. They wonāt be perfect at the gate, and nor should we expect them to be. They should be able to learn of the Steve Cookās, Sam Fieldās, and Jimmy Dunneās with regards to handling themselves in this league. Not doing that would be failing our DS players, IMO.
You need a balance. In all walks of life, you need balance. Itās the best chance of having success with a DS player and achieving Nourryās target of turning them into a sellable asset. Just thrusting loads of them in at once, when they arenāt ready OR donāt have the requisite support from experienced pros in the team is unlikely to achieve what Nourry is looking for.
Couldnāt agree more and you mean exactly what we did last season and that didnāt go well . Unfortunalty the child has been given the keys to the sweet shop and heās doing it his way because the numbers say so . Somebody get him a vpn for pornhubfor a while please
What was our previous approach? All ive seen is 30 years of going from one crisis to another while trying to do the same thing worse than the time before. I'll happily abandon that.
Do we have an Adam Lallana type in the DS? Highly doubtful, but we'll never know if the youngsters are not given an opportunity.
I should be clear, I'm not advocating a team full of DS players as that's suicide, but they'll be the back up until they are ready to start. All for that.
The thing is they wonāt be as the squad is paper thin before we have kicked a ball , so Iām going for three of the new guys starting sat add larchache at left back and that just under half a starting line up with minimal league experience starting the game to be replaced by dev players who also have little experience.
QPR fans sounding frustrated. No wonder. The spine of the team is injured/ injury prone.
But given that, what should the club do within FFP restrictions?
āBalanceā between young and old players is really a polite way of saying we want plenty of both. Given that most young players wonāt make it, we had to bring in a lot more of them in the hope that maybe one will grow into a sellable asset.
So where does that leave room in the budget for more experience as well?
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Inside training video on 23:35 - Aug 7 with 1130 views
Inside training video on 22:57 - Aug 7 by Stainrod
QPR fans sounding frustrated. No wonder. The spine of the team is injured/ injury prone.
But given that, what should the club do within FFP restrictions?
āBalanceā between young and old players is really a polite way of saying we want plenty of both. Given that most young players wonāt make it, we had to bring in a lot more of them in the hope that maybe one will grow into a sellable asset.
So where does that leave room in the budget for more experience as well?
Well, I donāt think itās impossible. If you look at the incomings over this summer and last, how many have had serious Championship experience (Iām talking several seasons)? How many are physical (tall and strong)?
I think it is fair to say the recruitment has been imbalanced. The approach this year is certainly different to last season. Nourry has said that was all part of the plan. The more cynical among us will think itās just him realising the flaws in last seasonās approach and focussing on League 1 players they think have untapped potential (plus the foray into Aus). For clarity, I like this profile a lot more and like the Mbengue and Poku signings, I really do.
But this squad was weak and lacked hairy bollocks last season. We are now without Colback and Fox from that group, and I say āgroupā not āteamā deliberately because Iām thinking about this holistically, across training, travel, matchdays and, of course, in the games.
I absolutely get the āLeague Oneā strategy, and I get the signing of 17/18yr olds for the Dev squad.
What I donāt see in this equation anywhere is your gnarly, experienced Championship pro.
Browne is available, Luongo was, Ben Whiteman might be for the right price from Preston (see if he plays well on Sat), Carlton Morris was available for 500k and a wage Derby could afford, Doughty at right back from Luton, Max Lowe at Wednesday (maybe that happens), Iām sure there are many more and many better examples of players that have been plying their trade in the Championship, no what it is about, and could help bring on our better DS players we promote and drop in.
I know your next question will be āwho would you not sign to afford 1 or 2 of that profile?ā Well, and I could have egg on my face tomorrow, Adamson is the sort I wouldnāt have. Santos last season I wouldnāt. Esquadinha another. Theyāre profile is a long shot to be successful. You could afford an experienced Champ player who would be in the matchday squad every week for their salaries. We also have a lot of numbers in our DS now, IMO, I wonder if the budget for that team is a bit imbalanced with the first team. Ultimately, weāre a little hamstrung by the Madsen signing, which was a significant investment, and really weād be in a much better place if that money had gone on 1-2 genuine Championship players last summer. But that time has gone.
The only real way we can create balance is to sell and reinvest (in a balanced way). Itās why you have to sell Varane for this reported Ā£5m assuming itās not all adds on. You bring in 2 players, one a proven player at this level around 30, and the other a punt from L1. And you do that again when you sell the next lad, etc (or the Eze money comes in).
Ultimately, I understand and broadly agree with Nourryās view that the club have to buy low and sell high to function and progress. I personally think the way to do that is to ensure you have a first team squad that has balance in terms of Champ experience, age, proven vs potential, physical vs technical.
It feels to me that all our signings are punts (from Europe backwaters or L1 or further afield in Aus or Brazil) with a view that if we sign enough, weāll strike gold, pat ourselves on the back and go again.
Thatās all fine IF the first team is performing and keeping their head above water.
If they arenāt and you go backwards, the dressing room fractures, the crowd turns, you are relegated to L1ā¦the whole model collapses because we wonāt be getting much for those players since a) they wonāt have performed well enough (to the outside) to attract interest, and, in future, fewer players with that profile will want to come here.
Staying in the league, and ideally rising up it, is critical to the target being achieved of buying low and selling high and becoming more sustainable. As is actually making the right bets on these āpotentialā players. Canāt afford too many misses.
So yeah, would just like to see more balance and more pragmatism. A gradual build.
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Inside training video on 09:54 - Aug 8 with 851 views
There will be a couple of strikers coming in, at least 1x full back, maybe two if Esquardinha goes, a midfielder and whoever Jamie Reuben sends down from Newcastle on deadline day.
Tuck right or wrongly has as much chance of being thrown in as you or I.
I'll give you 50p if its six more incoming (including loans).
*caveat* unless Eze gets sold and we go mental
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Inside training video on 17:25 - Aug 8 with 653 views
There will be a couple of strikers coming in, at least 1x full back, maybe two if Esquardinha goes, a midfielder and whoever Jamie Reuben sends down from Newcastle on deadline day.
Tuck right or wrongly has as much chance of being thrown in as you or I.
And to underline this, Tuck not even give a squad numberā¦..
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Inside training video on 17:27 - Aug 8 with 647 views
Kids don't need a squad number do they? I didn't think they counted in the 27
You donāt *have* to give anyone a squad number in theory, but symbolically you give them out to the kids in contention, as we have to Akindileni, Pearman, Smith, Warren, McCann and Hassan.
That Tuck was taken for pre-season, given a proper look and the not even given a number confirms that like Harry Murphy this time last year, he isnāt fancied and is not in any sort of contention for the first team.
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Inside training video on 18:17 - Aug 8 with 522 views
Inside training video on 23:35 - Aug 7 by Hunterhoop
Well, I donāt think itās impossible. If you look at the incomings over this summer and last, how many have had serious Championship experience (Iām talking several seasons)? How many are physical (tall and strong)?
I think it is fair to say the recruitment has been imbalanced. The approach this year is certainly different to last season. Nourry has said that was all part of the plan. The more cynical among us will think itās just him realising the flaws in last seasonās approach and focussing on League 1 players they think have untapped potential (plus the foray into Aus). For clarity, I like this profile a lot more and like the Mbengue and Poku signings, I really do.
But this squad was weak and lacked hairy bollocks last season. We are now without Colback and Fox from that group, and I say āgroupā not āteamā deliberately because Iām thinking about this holistically, across training, travel, matchdays and, of course, in the games.
I absolutely get the āLeague Oneā strategy, and I get the signing of 17/18yr olds for the Dev squad.
What I donāt see in this equation anywhere is your gnarly, experienced Championship pro.
Browne is available, Luongo was, Ben Whiteman might be for the right price from Preston (see if he plays well on Sat), Carlton Morris was available for 500k and a wage Derby could afford, Doughty at right back from Luton, Max Lowe at Wednesday (maybe that happens), Iām sure there are many more and many better examples of players that have been plying their trade in the Championship, no what it is about, and could help bring on our better DS players we promote and drop in.
I know your next question will be āwho would you not sign to afford 1 or 2 of that profile?ā Well, and I could have egg on my face tomorrow, Adamson is the sort I wouldnāt have. Santos last season I wouldnāt. Esquadinha another. Theyāre profile is a long shot to be successful. You could afford an experienced Champ player who would be in the matchday squad every week for their salaries. We also have a lot of numbers in our DS now, IMO, I wonder if the budget for that team is a bit imbalanced with the first team. Ultimately, weāre a little hamstrung by the Madsen signing, which was a significant investment, and really weād be in a much better place if that money had gone on 1-2 genuine Championship players last summer. But that time has gone.
The only real way we can create balance is to sell and reinvest (in a balanced way). Itās why you have to sell Varane for this reported Ā£5m assuming itās not all adds on. You bring in 2 players, one a proven player at this level around 30, and the other a punt from L1. And you do that again when you sell the next lad, etc (or the Eze money comes in).
Ultimately, I understand and broadly agree with Nourryās view that the club have to buy low and sell high to function and progress. I personally think the way to do that is to ensure you have a first team squad that has balance in terms of Champ experience, age, proven vs potential, physical vs technical.
It feels to me that all our signings are punts (from Europe backwaters or L1 or further afield in Aus or Brazil) with a view that if we sign enough, weāll strike gold, pat ourselves on the back and go again.
Thatās all fine IF the first team is performing and keeping their head above water.
If they arenāt and you go backwards, the dressing room fractures, the crowd turns, you are relegated to L1ā¦the whole model collapses because we wonāt be getting much for those players since a) they wonāt have performed well enough (to the outside) to attract interest, and, in future, fewer players with that profile will want to come here.
Staying in the league, and ideally rising up it, is critical to the target being achieved of buying low and selling high and becoming more sustainable. As is actually making the right bets on these āpotentialā players. Canāt afford too many misses.
So yeah, would just like to see more balance and more pragmatism. A gradual build.
Thanks for your response, you make (to me) a well argued case. And you acknowledge the need for at least a version of the Nourry strategy.
I guess the difference between you as a fan and Nourry is that he probably doesn't care very much where we finish this season. He would like it to be a place or two above last season to demonstrate progress "on the grass". But that is secondary to building a war chest, enabling us to increase transfer budgets so we can make a breakthrough that actually makes a difference - ie challenge for promotion in a few years. Maybe he thought "enough of incremental change: we have been piss balling around for a decade in 17th place, lets completely transform how we do things."
Unlike us his Sat night probably isn't ruined if the QPR dev squad get rolled over by Preston on Saturday, as long as he sees signs that there are two or three players we could sell on for big bucks, and that we have enough to stay up.
There of course is the rub: do we have enough to stay up? On balance he is probably right, but totally accept we can all see now Clive's end of term report next May explaining why relegation was all but inevitable given the squad he both built and inherited. Its a high wire act for sure.
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Inside training video on 18:56 - Aug 8 with 491 views
The thing is they wonāt be as the squad is paper thin before we have kicked a ball , so Iām going for three of the new guys starting sat add larchache at left back and that just under half a starting line up with minimal league experience starting the game to be replaced by dev players who also have little experience.
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This just makes it more exciting. I much prefer watching youngsters putting in 100% than let's say......
Geoff Cameron Marc Pugh Steve Cook Lee Wallace Chris Martin Charlie Austin (2nd time) Jack Colback Morgan Fox
Wobbling around the pitch at a snails pace while taking a fat wage. And all of them got dogs abuse on here at some point. Now we don't have them it seems there is a collective case of rose tinted glasses... let's sign Josh Windass etc etc. He'll do a job.....
The squad is thin as we don't have the money to pay the wages being demanded, unless you want to give 31yo Josh Windass a 3 year deal? Fck that.
Even if we lose tomorrow I'll back the new approach. Its the only thing that has made any sense coming from this club in 10 years.
You donāt *have* to give anyone a squad number in theory, but symbolically you give them out to the kids in contention, as we have to Akindileni, Pearman, Smith, Warren, McCann and Hassan.
That Tuck was taken for pre-season, given a proper look and the not even given a number confirms that like Harry Murphy this time last year, he isnāt fancied and is not in any sort of contention for the first team.
It doesnāt take a football expert to work out he is not yet physically ready. Whilst he has filled out a bit, at 19, he is one of those more unusual types who will need 2-3 more years to naturally bulk out.
He is an unusual case of its not the talent that is lacking, but his thin-framed stature is not (yet) conducive to menās football, and certainly not the championship.
Heāll not only need to eat quite a few burgers, but also hone his defensive game. Heās an excellent talent, but is far from physically ready.
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