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Great to see so many youngsters involved in the first team training.Spotted 16 year old striker Ashley Trujillo 1:07 , would love to know what the clubs plan is for him. Is he too young for a loan?
Inside training video on 12:01 - Aug 7 by Hunterhoop
All sorts of rumours swirling offline. Obviously these could be put to bed if the club provided an honest injury update to fans…
Exactly. Been about 3 weeks since we had one if not more. Loads of key players not in training video. I hate admitting I was wrong about Nourry and communication but I think I’m almost there. The whole situation is ridiculous and we’re treated like idiots.
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Inside training video on 12:22 - Aug 7 with 1877 views
Inside training video on 12:15 - Aug 7 by JamesB1979
Exactly. Been about 3 weeks since we had one if not more. Loads of key players not in training video. I hate admitting I was wrong about Nourry and communication but I think I’m almost there. The whole situation is ridiculous and we’re treated like idiots.
Welcome to the dark side, James ;-)
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Inside training video on 12:36 - Aug 7 with 1804 views
Also re that video it did only suggest that was Monday & Tuesday sessions in the caption and those small sided games looked like 6-a-side, so could just be all the content the media team had.
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Inside training video on 13:13 - Aug 7 with 1679 views
And yet people are calling, ridiculously, for him to be recontracted. I know by default he was our top scorer last season, but that mainly shows how low the bar is.
The season hasn't even started, and I'm already feeling hacked off with QPR.
This is QPR, there will be another half dozen signings..
Not least because using the DS = relegation and ‘the Messi of football back rooms’ needs success asap.
I really don't think that's going to happen, not based on what CN has been saying and the type of players signed. Though I think we'll get a couple ST in (and a LB please!).
It is funny that for years we have been complaining at the lack of quality coming through the Academy/DS and playing in the 1st team. Now we are at a point that we have youngsters that warrant being given a chance and people are either panicking or condemning us to relegation before a ball is kicked. Don't forget that every signing we make is blocking the path of an 18yo that could make us £X millions.
There has to be a point when the club do this and now, off the back of the PL Cup win, seems as good a time as any. We've just got to support the youngsters, which I know in the ground we'll do. We need this to work.
I really don't think that's going to happen, not based on what CN has been saying and the type of players signed. Though I think we'll get a couple ST in (and a LB please!).
It is funny that for years we have been complaining at the lack of quality coming through the Academy/DS and playing in the 1st team. Now we are at a point that we have youngsters that warrant being given a chance and people are either panicking or condemning us to relegation before a ball is kicked. Don't forget that every signing we make is blocking the path of an 18yo that could make us £X millions.
There has to be a point when the club do this and now, off the back of the PL Cup win, seems as good a time as any. We've just got to support the youngsters, which I know in the ground we'll do. We need this to work.
Agree, and you need the supporting cast for such younger assets to thrive.
It has to be balanced, the Champ is brutal. To win games they'll need to learn quick that its not just about the fancy patterns of play practised on a tuesday afternoon in Heston after an avocado and egg breakfast.
50/50's, body on the line, opposition shithousery, abuse by crowd.. the ugly stuff.
I really don't think that's going to happen, not based on what CN has been saying and the type of players signed. Though I think we'll get a couple ST in (and a LB please!).
It is funny that for years we have been complaining at the lack of quality coming through the Academy/DS and playing in the 1st team. Now we are at a point that we have youngsters that warrant being given a chance and people are either panicking or condemning us to relegation before a ball is kicked. Don't forget that every signing we make is blocking the path of an 18yo that could make us £X millions.
There has to be a point when the club do this and now, off the back of the PL Cup win, seems as good a time as any. We've just got to support the youngsters, which I know in the ground we'll do. We need this to work.
Southampton 2008/09 might be a cautionary tale.
Abandoned previous approach under direction from the boardroom - Rupert Lowe. Appointed European coach with reputation for attacking football and developing youngsters - Jan Poortvliet. Said, fck it, we're going with the academy. This anacademy that had already produced Bale and Walcott at this point, and that season contributed players including Adam Lallana, Andrew Surman and Nathan Dyer. Went down second bottom with 45 points. We beat them 4-1 down here.
Many Adam Lallanas kicking round our development squad?
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Inside training video on 13:40 - Aug 7 with 1571 views
Agree, and you need the supporting cast for such younger assets to thrive.
It has to be balanced, the Champ is brutal. To win games they'll need to learn quick that its not just about the fancy patterns of play practised on a tuesday afternoon in Heston after an avocado and egg breakfast.
50/50's, body on the line, opposition shithousery, abuse by crowd.. the ugly stuff.
Balance is the key word for me you're dead right. You've got to put a spine of a team together that allows you to hold your own and compete. Once you've got that you can hang whatever trinkets you like off it from Eastern Europe or the development squad.
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Inside training video on 14:20 - Aug 7 with 1469 views
Inside training video on 13:40 - Aug 7 by Northernr
Balance is the key word for me you're dead right. You've got to put a spine of a team together that allows you to hold your own and compete. Once you've got that you can hang whatever trinkets you like off it from Eastern Europe or the development squad.
But that’s exactly why the availability point is far more critical than examples of teams gone by or strategy or analytics or any of it. If everyone is fit there is a spine of players here who aren’t kids or Eastern European data boys (Cook JCS Dunne Field Chair Frey (I include him given he’s a hard B who eats munchkins for breakfast)).
It’s the single biggest issue at this club, far beyond game models, DS focus, Nourry’s personality or anything else. If our injury record is worse the last season we’re in big trouble if it’s better we might do alright. Feels that simple to me.
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Inside training video on 14:21 - Aug 7 with 1463 views
Agree, and you need the supporting cast for such younger assets to thrive.
It has to be balanced, the Champ is brutal. To win games they'll need to learn quick that its not just about the fancy patterns of play practised on a tuesday afternoon in Heston after an avocado and egg breakfast.
50/50's, body on the line, opposition shithousery, abuse by crowd.. the ugly stuff.
Exactly.
If you throw a load of DS players into the first team, without experience and physicality around them, you are setting them up to fail. That is not good management or a good strategy. It could damage their progress, hit their confidence, bring in doubt.
The environment for blooding youth is critical.
Those DS players may go on to be sellable assets and worth millions. They may even be at the Championship standard already (I doubt any are, but fine). But they do not know everything. They won’t be perfect at the gate, and nor should we expect them to be. They should be able to learn of the Steve Cook’s, Sam Field’s, and Jimmy Dunne’s with regards to handling themselves in this league. Not doing that would be failing our DS players, IMO.
You need a balance. In all walks of life, you need balance. It’s the best chance of having success with a DS player and achieving Nourry’s target of turning them into a sellable asset. Just thrusting loads of them in at once, when they aren’t ready OR don’t have the requisite support from experienced pros in the team is unlikely to achieve what Nourry is looking for.
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Inside training video on 14:33 - Aug 7 with 1391 views
Inside training video on 14:21 - Aug 7 by Hunterhoop
Exactly.
If you throw a load of DS players into the first team, without experience and physicality around them, you are setting them up to fail. That is not good management or a good strategy. It could damage their progress, hit their confidence, bring in doubt.
The environment for blooding youth is critical.
Those DS players may go on to be sellable assets and worth millions. They may even be at the Championship standard already (I doubt any are, but fine). But they do not know everything. They won’t be perfect at the gate, and nor should we expect them to be. They should be able to learn of the Steve Cook’s, Sam Field’s, and Jimmy Dunne’s with regards to handling themselves in this league. Not doing that would be failing our DS players, IMO.
You need a balance. In all walks of life, you need balance. It’s the best chance of having success with a DS player and achieving Nourry’s target of turning them into a sellable asset. Just thrusting loads of them in at once, when they aren’t ready OR don’t have the requisite support from experienced pros in the team is unlikely to achieve what Nourry is looking for.
Yep we need to get the balance right. Also imprrove the injury situation. We're not there yet.
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Inside training video on 15:12 - Aug 7 with 1313 views
I really don't think that's going to happen, not based on what CN has been saying and the type of players signed. Though I think we'll get a couple ST in (and a LB please!).
It is funny that for years we have been complaining at the lack of quality coming through the Academy/DS and playing in the 1st team. Now we are at a point that we have youngsters that warrant being given a chance and people are either panicking or condemning us to relegation before a ball is kicked. Don't forget that every signing we make is blocking the path of an 18yo that could make us £X millions.
There has to be a point when the club do this and now, off the back of the PL Cup win, seems as good a time as any. We've just got to support the youngsters, which I know in the ground we'll do. We need this to work.
I love the idea of us plucking half a dozen kids from last years DS team and them powering us up to a safe mid table finish but the reality is that it’ll be Sutton only and a raft of pre deadline signings, some more desperate than others.
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Inside training video on 15:14 - Aug 7 with 1311 views
But that’s exactly why the availability point is far more critical than examples of teams gone by or strategy or analytics or any of it. If everyone is fit there is a spine of players here who aren’t kids or Eastern European data boys (Cook JCS Dunne Field Chair Frey (I include him given he’s a hard B who eats munchkins for breakfast)).
It’s the single biggest issue at this club, far beyond game models, DS focus, Nourry’s personality or anything else. If our injury record is worse the last season we’re in big trouble if it’s better we might do alright. Feels that simple to me.
Agree mate. It’s chronic.
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Inside training video on 15:27 - Aug 7 with 1250 views
Obviously the club isn't going to reveal exactly who's in training because that would be giving away sensitive information to the opposition and we all know competitive advantage is key.
Inside training video on 14:21 - Aug 7 by Hunterhoop
Exactly.
If you throw a load of DS players into the first team, without experience and physicality around them, you are setting them up to fail. That is not good management or a good strategy. It could damage their progress, hit their confidence, bring in doubt.
The environment for blooding youth is critical.
Those DS players may go on to be sellable assets and worth millions. They may even be at the Championship standard already (I doubt any are, but fine). But they do not know everything. They won’t be perfect at the gate, and nor should we expect them to be. They should be able to learn of the Steve Cook’s, Sam Field’s, and Jimmy Dunne’s with regards to handling themselves in this league. Not doing that would be failing our DS players, IMO.
You need a balance. In all walks of life, you need balance. It’s the best chance of having success with a DS player and achieving Nourry’s target of turning them into a sellable asset. Just thrusting loads of them in at once, when they aren’t ready OR don’t have the requisite support from experienced pros in the team is unlikely to achieve what Nourry is looking for.
They won’t be “thrown in” for the fun of it, there just won’t be enough fit first team players available to take to the field. We could be down to the bare bones before the season even starts, in which case there is no choice but to utilise development squad players.
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Inside training video on 16:46 - Aug 7 with 1083 views
Inside training video on 13:39 - Aug 7 by Northernr
Southampton 2008/09 might be a cautionary tale.
Abandoned previous approach under direction from the boardroom - Rupert Lowe. Appointed European coach with reputation for attacking football and developing youngsters - Jan Poortvliet. Said, fck it, we're going with the academy. This anacademy that had already produced Bale and Walcott at this point, and that season contributed players including Adam Lallana, Andrew Surman and Nathan Dyer. Went down second bottom with 45 points. We beat them 4-1 down here.
Many Adam Lallanas kicking round our development squad?
Yeah, remember that. Southampton actually played quite well considering they lost 4-1 and scored a belter, but were just not a second tier team physically at all, and had zero game smarts. Lots of very small, highly technical players prone to losing the ball in bad areas and having no idea about how to regain possession. Sounds familiar?
Oh, for Dexter Blackstock now. Maybe even Agyemang. Reckon that 2008 QPR beats QPR 2025 4-1 too.
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Inside training video on 17:25 - Aug 7 with 987 views
I love the idea of us plucking half a dozen kids from last years DS team and them powering us up to a safe mid table finish but the reality is that it’ll be Sutton only and a raft of pre deadline signings, some more desperate than others.
1000% there will not be x6 new signings coming in. Unless you still have a contact at the club?
I think we will leverage the loan market. Hopefully for a striker, left back and maybe a box to box midfielder to rat in lieu of Colback
From the DS Emerson looked good, but we might see a breakout from Alfie Tuck. He looked really neat, if he can bulk up then there is some player there
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Inside training video on 17:59 - Aug 7 with 917 views
Football's great because it's all theory and methodology and line-up builders cooking on social media in preseason...but there are five games before the transfer window closes the day after Charlton at home on August 30th. Imagine that run doesn't go to plan, and that Jones and Kelman hand our arse to us to cap it off...
Let's see how many DS squad graduates are replaced by signings and loans by then - there'll be loads of them, I reckon, because there always is. The kitchen is gonna get very hot for the CEO otherwise.
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Inside training video on 18:24 - Aug 7 with 842 views
Inside training video on 15:46 - Aug 7 by Burnleyhoop
They won’t be “thrown in” for the fun of it, there just won’t be enough fit first team players available to take to the field. We could be down to the bare bones before the season even starts, in which case there is no choice but to utilise development squad players.
Which could have been foreseen.
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Inside training video on 18:31 - Aug 7 with 822 views
Inside training video on 12:01 - Aug 7 by Hunterhoop
All sorts of rumours swirling offline. Obviously these could be put to bed if the club provided an honest injury update to fans…
What rumours please Hunter?
I was trying to be optimistic that he was just being carefully managed and might be unleashed from the bench, but that probably naive. Frustrating because when fit he is actually a hell of a lot more effective than he is given credit for. Problem is the "when fit" part of that sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
Kolli another one who seems to be permanently slightly injured, or not quite ready.
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Inside training video on 19:54 - Aug 7 with 666 views
Easy to think it's just QPR (from PNE's fans forum):
'Robbie Brady injured a calf to add to Preston’s crazy injury list.
The Republic of Ireland veteran damaged a calf in the closed door defeat to Manchester City.
Brady could be out for weeks and that comes after Jordan Thompson, Brad Potts and Will Keane picked up strains that will keep them out of the start and for weeks after.'
'Just reading George’s latest article in the LP about injuries, it’s poor that he has to rely on Alan Nixon to re report potential injuries to Brady, Potts and Keane. Surely he should be given an early nod and if not, how do the club expect to try and keep him sweet ?'
'tbf, the club aren't going to be officially confirming injury news in the run-up to the first game of the season - he'll get more of a chance to ask questions after the QPR game.'
'We’ve put together a very decent League One starting eleven there'
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