| Peace in Ukraine? 21:17 - Aug 14 with 1266 views | mushinexile |
Europe is paying American defence contractors many billions to fight the war. Trump isn't being played by Putin- Europe (including us,) are being played by Donald who is more shrewd than many give him credit for. |  |
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| Peace in Ukraine? on 21:36 - Aug 14 with 1221 views | 1885_SFC |
WALOB.
The war was being waged long before Trump entered the White House. We're paying the US billions because their Patriot system is the best in the world... and it's expensive. And we're paying because the war is in Europe - on our doorstep. I know you hate Trump with a passion, but he's right ; Europe should pay its fair share for a war just 2000 miles away from here. |  |
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| Peace in Ukraine? on 21:55 - Aug 14 with 1194 views | mushinexile |
Do you think he doesn't know that? No dollars in peace ( but lots of kudos for trying.) | |
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| Peace in Ukraine? on 22:08 - Aug 14 with 1166 views | Southamptonfan |
To be fair, at least Trump is trying to do something, even it is self interest for America. He did intervene with the Israel and Iran war and helped to stop it. Ultimately, he wants more money for America. Wars cost money. Oil is more expensive, energy is more expensive, and so on. It will be interesting to see what happens next regarding Putin. I'm not sure that they will come up with something that's fair to Ukraine.
As for Europe, they have had years to meet with Putin, and none of those leaders have achieved it. Trump at least meets with the enemy and tries to take action. All they did before Trump was apply restrictions to Russia, but they had little impact. Russia continues to trade with China and other nations. [Post edited 14 Aug 22:14]
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| Peace in Ukraine? on 10:33 - Aug 18 with 858 views | saint901 |
The war between Ukraine and Russia is - for Europe - a high stakes game with real consequences.
For the USA and the orange man baby it's an excuse to abandon Europe whilst trying to gain the label of "global statesman". Most people outside the Republican Party cult, know that Putin will play Trump like a fiddle whilst continuing to target civilians in the Ukraine.
Europe has to be seen to counter the threat from a Russia which under Putin sees itself as being "entitled" to exert influence over all Eastern European counties and should one of them have the temerity to resist, to resort to violence. The ideal solution for Europe is for a regime change in Russia following the death/removal of Putin.
For Trump the solution is to persuade Putin to stop sending bombs long enough that he can claim a "win" before his legendary short attention span disappears.
The uncharacteristicly short and uninformative press conference following the meeting last week seems to me to be evidence that the orange baby was completely destroyed by Putin, had nothing to say and wanted to flee the scene. (I am not convinced that he had enough positives from the meeting to consider that discretion was required).
Dangerous times. | | | |
| Peace in Ukraine? on 10:47 - Aug 18 with 848 views | saintmark1976 |
| Peace in Ukraine? on 10:33 - Aug 18 by saint901 |
The war between Ukraine and Russia is - for Europe - a high stakes game with real consequences.
For the USA and the orange man baby it's an excuse to abandon Europe whilst trying to gain the label of "global statesman". Most people outside the Republican Party cult, know that Putin will play Trump like a fiddle whilst continuing to target civilians in the Ukraine.
Europe has to be seen to counter the threat from a Russia which under Putin sees itself as being "entitled" to exert influence over all Eastern European counties and should one of them have the temerity to resist, to resort to violence. The ideal solution for Europe is for a regime change in Russia following the death/removal of Putin.
For Trump the solution is to persuade Putin to stop sending bombs long enough that he can claim a "win" before his legendary short attention span disappears.
The uncharacteristicly short and uninformative press conference following the meeting last week seems to me to be evidence that the orange baby was completely destroyed by Putin, had nothing to say and wanted to flee the scene. (I am not convinced that he had enough positives from the meeting to consider that discretion was required).
Dangerous times. |
No coincidence that whilst having the same attention span as a goldfish Trump appears happy to look like one as well. | |
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| Peace in Ukraine? on 12:34 - Aug 18 with 793 views | saint901 |
| Peace in Ukraine? on 10:47 - Aug 18 by saintmark1976 |
No coincidence that whilst having the same attention span as a goldfish Trump appears happy to look like one as well. |
I get that there is some merit in his saying entirely contradictory things about the same subject as it puts whomever he is negotiating with at a disadvantage.
This supposes of course that the various flip flops are all part of a planned and controlled policy and that underlying this is a purpose.
I very much fear however that he says the first thing that enters his head and that there is no policy beyond "put me in the spotlight" and that he sees EVERYBODY else as irrelevant, unimportant and safely ignored, so long as people are blowing smoke up his ar$e.
I did listen to some of the "Marianna in Conspiracyland" radio episodes - (available as a podcast I think via the BBC) over the weekend. (I know but that's how exciting my life is).
One small segment was whether Trump is a stooge for a global elite who are using him to create global crises which in turn leads to massive loss of life and equally massive opportunity for said elite to grow their fortunes. She explores this idea from its roots in the various international money groups and beyond. I'll let you listen and make your own mind up.
Unless Trump is not only a superlative actor blessed with an immense intellect but also able to listen to instruction - and follow it - he would not be my choice as a vector toward global domination. No, I think he is at best a mediocre businessman who sees the office of POTUS as an opportunity to enrich himself whilst basking in narcissistic sycophancy. | | | |
| Peace in Ukraine? on 13:34 - Aug 18 with 759 views | 1885_SFC |
Good luck to President Zelenskyy today. He's gonna need it - especially since the breaking news that J D Vance wants 'in' on the meeting now as well.
It looks like Crimea is lost forever & no chance of Ukraine ever joining NATO. Add to that vast swathes of Eastern Ukraine that has been lost to Russia in this war that will also be handed over to the rat Putin and all in all, it looks like a sh1t sandwich for Zelenskyy and his country.
Starmer, Macron and Merz will have zero effect on the meeting as none of them want to upset Trump for fear of repercussions. I'm hoping the meeting isn't as embarrassing or cringeworthy as the last time Zelenskyy was bullied in the White House earlier this year. That was disgusting from Trump and his cohorts. | |
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| Peace in Ukraine? on 20:38 - Aug 18 with 702 views | mushinexile |
Zelensky should wait until he gets on camera and then tell Trump that he is as big a crook as Putin and that they can both go to Hell. | |
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| Peace in Ukraine? on 10:15 - Aug 20 with 503 views | saint901 |
| Peace in Ukraine? on 20:38 - Aug 18 by mushinexile |
Zelensky should wait until he gets on camera and then tell Trump that he is as big a crook as Putin and that they can both go to Hell. |
And risk Russia being in control of his country before 2030 with how many dead?
Not an option for him. | | | |
| Peace in Ukraine? on 15:22 - Aug 20 with 438 views | DorsetIan |
Trump is such a strange man. He seems to just want to be loved by everybody and for every to be friends with him. Which is a very childlike trait.
And then if someone crosses him he wants to completely destroy them. Again, like a child.
And beyond the amount of love/hate that he personally is receiving he just doesn't much care about anything.
And my God does he blow with the wind. | |
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| Peace in Ukraine? on 15:43 - Aug 20 with 420 views | Southamptonfan |
| Peace in Ukraine? on 15:22 - Aug 20 by DorsetIan |
Trump is such a strange man. He seems to just want to be loved by everybody and for every to be friends with him. Which is a very childlike trait.
And then if someone crosses him he wants to completely destroy them. Again, like a child.
And beyond the amount of love/hate that he personally is receiving he just doesn't much care about anything.
And my God does he blow with the wind. |
I am not sure how Zelenski can ever agree to give up Ukrainian land to Russia to end the war. This is to say "We give up, you can have that land" is it not? If Ukraine were to give up some land, to ensure peace forever and a guarantee of no further aggression from Russia, you could understand that, but you can't trust Putin and nobody is willing to say what they would do if Russia decided to attack again.
So I can't see how this will progress. Putin is an absolute c^nt who won't be agreeing to a deal to allow Ukraine to be ultra protected by numerous countries across the world, just for a little bit of land. And the people of each country, will also not allow for their forces to be placed in Ukraine, to the cost of the tax payer. Trump will not commit to US forces being used, he wants other countries to foot the bill. Should the UK tax payer be paying for this deal, to put British troops in Ukaine as security?
The only answer is to take out Putin, and fight Russia but we can't fight Russia. There would be a world war. [Post edited 20 Aug 15:45]
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| Peace in Ukraine? on 16:52 - Aug 20 with 384 views | mushinexile |
Fine, we are about due another one. Ukraine is lost. Time to rebuild the iron curtain, tell, not ask our Commonwealth member that their Monarch will not let them buy Russian Oil and start fortifying West of the Rhine. | |
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| Peace in Ukraine? on 16:59 - Aug 20 with 368 views | franniesTache |
| Peace in Ukraine? on 15:22 - Aug 20 by DorsetIan |
Trump is such a strange man. He seems to just want to be loved by everybody and for every to be friends with him. Which is a very childlike trait.
And then if someone crosses him he wants to completely destroy them. Again, like a child.
And beyond the amount of love/hate that he personally is receiving he just doesn't much care about anything.
And my God does he blow with the wind. |
He's an idiot with an over inflated ego, and quite possibly the easiest world leader to manipulate i've ever seen in my lifetime.
Countries like Russia and China must be over the moon that they have someone like him charge in America, because almost completely nullifies america as a global power and they can very easily get him to do what they want.
If you vote in idiots you destroy the countries standing on the world stage.
Which sadly is identical to what would happen here if we ever ended up with Reform in power. |  | | |
| Peace in Ukraine? on 17:59 - Aug 20 with 320 views | Ninja9 |
| Peace in Ukraine? on 16:59 - Aug 20 by franniesTache |
He's an idiot with an over inflated ego, and quite possibly the easiest world leader to manipulate i've ever seen in my lifetime.
Countries like Russia and China must be over the moon that they have someone like him charge in America, because almost completely nullifies america as a global power and they can very easily get him to do what they want.
If you vote in idiots you destroy the countries standing on the world stage.
Which sadly is identical to what would happen here if we ever ended up with Reform in power. |
WALOB
Are you talking about Starmer | | | |
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