| Midweek attendances 10:39 - Sep 26 with 8827 views | 49thseason |
Are we doing enough to improve our attendances give the form we are in?
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| Midweek attendances on 13:58 - Sep 29 with 2521 views | James1980 |
| Midweek attendances on 13:38 - Sep 29 by Dale_4_Life |
If its off James we are in HUGE trouble.
Monday and Tuesday glorious sunshine.
Wednesday is match day and 8 hours worth of rain forecast 9am-5pm.
It is forecasted "light" and with basic precautions taken it will be game on. |
Excellent thank you, I will book my room will I need my big coat? |  |
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| Midweek attendances on 14:28 - Sep 29 with 2443 views | Dale_4_Life |
| Midweek attendances on 13:58 - Sep 29 by James1980 |
Excellent thank you, I will book my room will I need my big coat? |
Rain forecast to stop 5pm (BBC Weather).
Yes to Big Coat.. there is a nip in the air for sure when the sun disappears... | | | |
| Midweek attendances on 14:31 - Sep 29 with 2432 views | TVOS1907 |
| Midweek attendances on 13:15 - Sep 29 by James1980 |
Haven't been able to make many games this season. But could be adding to the tally on Wednesday night. How likely is it the game will be on? |
Very likely, I would imagine, James. Get yourself up here. |  |
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| Midweek attendances on 14:32 - Sep 29 with 2429 views | TVOS1907 |
| Midweek attendances on 13:58 - Sep 29 by James1980 |
Excellent thank you, I will book my room will I need my big coat? |
As a southerner, more than likely, but as someone used to be keen to tell us, "wrap up warm". | |
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| Midweek attendances on 22:30 - Oct 1 with 1974 views | 442Dale |
| Midweek attendances on 17:10 - Sep 27 by 442Dale |
Halifax scoring goals and now on the brink of the play-offs, Dale in good form… would now be looking at hopefully 3500.
Though there were just over 1200 home fans at the Shay today. |
3466, maybe 700 Halifax?
Good turn out. |  |
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| Midweek attendances on 22:41 - Oct 1 with 1921 views | D_Alien |
| Midweek attendances on 22:30 - Oct 1 by 442Dale |
3466, maybe 700 Halifax?
Good turn out. |
Yes, better than expected with the usual outcome when expectations start to rise... |  |
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| Midweek attendances on 22:45 - Oct 1 with 1880 views | 442Dale |
| Midweek attendances on 22:41 - Oct 1 by D_Alien |
Yes, better than expected with the usual outcome when expectations start to rise... |
That’s football though. Win some, lose some. Or draw some, which we should have done really.
It was entertaining enough though and a good game between two decent sides going for it. An Oldham fan came along tonight and he thought we were well worth a point. | |
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| Midweek attendances on 22:52 - Oct 1 with 1852 views | TVOS1907 |
| Midweek attendances on 22:30 - Oct 1 by 442Dale |
3466, maybe 700 Halifax?
Good turn out. |
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| Midweek attendances on 23:00 - Oct 1 with 1813 views | 442Dale |
| Midweek attendances on 22:52 - Oct 1 by TVOS1907 |
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Nearly 2900 Dale fans then. Way more than my expectations, happy to have been wrong on that.
Now, how do we go about retaining them… again. | |
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| Midweek attendances on 23:07 - Oct 1 with 1775 views | D_Alien |
| Midweek attendances on 23:00 - Oct 1 by 442Dale |
Nearly 2900 Dale fans then. Way more than my expectations, happy to have been wrong on that.
Now, how do we go about retaining them… again. |
Win when they turn up
No amount of marketing will match that for effectiveness | |
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| Midweek attendances on 23:13 - Oct 1 with 1745 views | 442Dale |
| Midweek attendances on 23:07 - Oct 1 by D_Alien |
Win when they turn up
No amount of marketing will match that for effectiveness |
Of course that helps. But history, as this thread shows, that even when we do, they don’t keep coming back regularly. Or even three days later when we’ve matched a Premier League side.
We need to do something differently to create a higher core fanbase. | |
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| Midweek attendances on 23:24 - Oct 1 with 1715 views | D_Alien |
| Midweek attendances on 23:13 - Oct 1 by 442Dale |
Of course that helps. But history, as this thread shows, that even when we do, they don’t keep coming back regularly. Or even three days later when we’ve matched a Premier League side.
We need to do something differently to create a higher core fanbase. |
Win when they turn up, in the bread and butter fixtures
That'd be doing something differently | |
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| Midweek attendances on 23:26 - Oct 1 with 1695 views | 442Dale |
| Midweek attendances on 23:24 - Oct 1 by D_Alien |
Win when they turn up, in the bread and butter fixtures
That'd be doing something differently |
Which we have been doing all season at Spotland until tonight. And, as the stats show, for a lot of the last two and a bit seasons at this level when playing at home.
Edit: and as we did against Swindon in 16/17… only to lose fans three days later when going into the L1 playoff zone. That’s pretty bread and butter. [Post edited 1 Oct 23:28]
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| Midweek attendances on 06:00 - Oct 2 with 1532 views | D_Alien |
| Midweek attendances on 23:26 - Oct 1 by 442Dale |
Which we have been doing all season at Spotland until tonight. And, as the stats show, for a lot of the last two and a bit seasons at this level when playing at home.
Edit: and as we did against Swindon in 16/17… only to lose fans three days later when going into the L1 playoff zone. That’s pretty bread and butter. [Post edited 1 Oct 23:28]
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Until this season, our home performances have been abysmal, apart from the odd bright spark
Caving in at the back end, twice, just a few months ago has left a lasting bad taste for many casual fans. So, they give it another go last night, the winning formula gets tinkered with and we lose
Trying marketing ploys under those perceptions (as opposed to a dyed-in-the-wool perception) would fall on deaf ears
Mentioning games from nearly a decade ago is a purely dyed-in-the-wool ploy; there may have been other circumstances which no-one else can remember now
Lots of mums/dads with kids in the Pearl St last night, paying perhaps £50 in total. That's not going to be repeated consistently, but going home with the kids seeing the Willbutts celebrating after a big game (again) is the ultimate factor. I hope they'll be back for the sharp end [Post edited 2 Oct 6:01]
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| Midweek attendances on 07:01 - Oct 2 with 1493 views | Dale_4_Life |
2900 from Dale on a Tuesday excellent. Halifax at home is for many the stand out home fixture (This season).
Then comes the tinkering.. was to much focus on Saturday rather than the immediate game in hand?. Play the game in front of you and then reassess the following morning.
Hogan for EEL and Rodney on the bench looked like a nod to Saturday - Halifax benefited from those 2 decisions.
The fact EEL and Rodney had maximum exposure and exertion in the second half makes the managing player fitness thought process redundant. | | | |
| Midweek attendances on 07:35 - Oct 2 with 1445 views | Dalenet |
| Midweek attendances on 06:00 - Oct 2 by D_Alien |
Until this season, our home performances have been abysmal, apart from the odd bright spark
Caving in at the back end, twice, just a few months ago has left a lasting bad taste for many casual fans. So, they give it another go last night, the winning formula gets tinkered with and we lose
Trying marketing ploys under those perceptions (as opposed to a dyed-in-the-wool perception) would fall on deaf ears
Mentioning games from nearly a decade ago is a purely dyed-in-the-wool ploy; there may have been other circumstances which no-one else can remember now
Lots of mums/dads with kids in the Pearl St last night, paying perhaps £50 in total. That's not going to be repeated consistently, but going home with the kids seeing the Willbutts celebrating after a big game (again) is the ultimate factor. I hope they'll be back for the sharp end [Post edited 2 Oct 6:01]
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Of course it would have been great to send everyone home after a win. But nobody would have gone home disappointed with the quality of the football on offer. It was a very entertaining game and hope they want more of it. | | | |
| Midweek attendances on 07:39 - Oct 2 with 1430 views | 442Dale |
| Midweek attendances on 06:00 - Oct 2 by D_Alien |
Until this season, our home performances have been abysmal, apart from the odd bright spark
Caving in at the back end, twice, just a few months ago has left a lasting bad taste for many casual fans. So, they give it another go last night, the winning formula gets tinkered with and we lose
Trying marketing ploys under those perceptions (as opposed to a dyed-in-the-wool perception) would fall on deaf ears
Mentioning games from nearly a decade ago is a purely dyed-in-the-wool ploy; there may have been other circumstances which no-one else can remember now
Lots of mums/dads with kids in the Pearl St last night, paying perhaps £50 in total. That's not going to be repeated consistently, but going home with the kids seeing the Willbutts celebrating after a big game (again) is the ultimate factor. I hope they'll be back for the sharp end [Post edited 2 Oct 6:01]
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The mentioning games from the past illustrate it’s been an age old problem which we need to think differently about.
Until we actually find out more about why people don’t turn up regularly it’s mere guesswork. Just like presuming who is here one game and not the next and whether they were impacted by away fans celebrating! Same with the casual fans who have a bad taste. I would have said, but can’t be certain, that is the regulars who were more annoyed by the Soennymoor and Southend games.
Any loyal Dale fan will have got used to losing games like that and seeing away fans celebrate over the years though. Part and parcel of the game. | |
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| Midweek attendances on 08:48 - Oct 2 with 1325 views | dawlishdale |
| Midweek attendances on 07:39 - Oct 2 by 442Dale |
The mentioning games from the past illustrate it’s been an age old problem which we need to think differently about.
Until we actually find out more about why people don’t turn up regularly it’s mere guesswork. Just like presuming who is here one game and not the next and whether they were impacted by away fans celebrating! Same with the casual fans who have a bad taste. I would have said, but can’t be certain, that is the regulars who were more annoyed by the Soennymoor and Southend games.
Any loyal Dale fan will have got used to losing games like that and seeing away fans celebrate over the years though. Part and parcel of the game. |
I have to disagree about it being the regular fans who feel more annoyed when we underperform in a "big game". I'd say it's exactly the opposite.
Those who turn up 2 or 3 times a season when it is an important game are the ones who go away saying "same old Dale" and then don't bother for another few months. The diehards have seen it all before and although annoying, they will be back week after week supporting the team.
That's exactly why we should go at the opposition from the start and field our strongest available team without exception. It's why I still fear for McNulty's relationship with the support. Last night we were way too cautious even before the kick off, and certainly for the first hour or so. Yes; when the substitutions were made, we deserved something from the game, but ultimately, it's a results business and several hundred "once or twice a season" people will go home having witnessed a loss.
Would I have taken our league position now before the season started? Absolutely.
Could we have done better in the 2 games we have lost? Absolutely. | | | |
| Midweek attendances on 11:15 - Oct 2 with 1163 views | D_Alien |
| Midweek attendances on 08:48 - Oct 2 by dawlishdale |
I have to disagree about it being the regular fans who feel more annoyed when we underperform in a "big game". I'd say it's exactly the opposite.
Those who turn up 2 or 3 times a season when it is an important game are the ones who go away saying "same old Dale" and then don't bother for another few months. The diehards have seen it all before and although annoying, they will be back week after week supporting the team.
That's exactly why we should go at the opposition from the start and field our strongest available team without exception. It's why I still fear for McNulty's relationship with the support. Last night we were way too cautious even before the kick off, and certainly for the first hour or so. Yes; when the substitutions were made, we deserved something from the game, but ultimately, it's a results business and several hundred "once or twice a season" people will go home having witnessed a loss.
Would I have taken our league position now before the season started? Absolutely.
Could we have done better in the 2 games we have lost? Absolutely. |
And... this isn't "guesswork". To label it as such is to presume that someone who's followed Dale for 60 years isn't in touch with being both a regular and (at times, due to other factors) occasional fan, without blinkers
The Ogdens clearly know a thing or two about marketing. I'll leave it to them and their team to try something different. All options are welcome. Sending something out to those non-regulars from last night asking them "Sorry we lost, but did you enjoy it?" would be, to say the least, "interesting"...
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| Midweek attendances on 12:26 - Oct 2 with 1064 views | James1980 |
If you're not watching Dale and fancy a footy fix which grounds are your first picks and why? | |
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| Midweek attendances on 13:21 - Oct 2 with 958 views | 442Dale |
| Midweek attendances on 08:48 - Oct 2 by dawlishdale |
I have to disagree about it being the regular fans who feel more annoyed when we underperform in a "big game". I'd say it's exactly the opposite.
Those who turn up 2 or 3 times a season when it is an important game are the ones who go away saying "same old Dale" and then don't bother for another few months. The diehards have seen it all before and although annoying, they will be back week after week supporting the team.
That's exactly why we should go at the opposition from the start and field our strongest available team without exception. It's why I still fear for McNulty's relationship with the support. Last night we were way too cautious even before the kick off, and certainly for the first hour or so. Yes; when the substitutions were made, we deserved something from the game, but ultimately, it's a results business and several hundred "once or twice a season" people will go home having witnessed a loss.
Would I have taken our league position now before the season started? Absolutely.
Could we have done better in the 2 games we have lost? Absolutely. |
That’s why I said I can’t be certain because I just don’t know. Think maybe I’m looking at those fans who attend 2/3 times a season as “newer” fans who we need to find out more about and what impacts them attending.
Casual fans who have been going a while may pick and choose games, that’s a different sector who may/may not be impacted by results or other reasons. Again, what are the common themes that influence their decisions.
The thread began around midweek attendances and evolved into a bigger discussion about crowds in general. What’s important is somehow finding a way to do that which, as shown by historical failures to do so, makes a home defeat in one game not affecting that person’s attendance at the next game. Because we will always lose games, have good managers and bad, but we need to get the core fanbase up.
The amount of younger fans we now have has been a welcome positive over the last couple of years. They appear to have a great attachment to the club and the players. Can we build that across other demographics, crucially families? | |
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| Midweek attendances on 15:21 - Oct 2 with 818 views | 49thseason |
You would hope that the new ticketing system is now talking to a CRM of some sort to at least enable the club to identify any new fans last night and send them a follow up email hoping they at least enjoyed the evening despite the result, it would also be interesting to know if Wednesday is a better night for them than Tuesday. I also wonder if an earlier kick off time would help more people with younger kids?
I would also advocate a discount voucher for new local visitors..a cash discount for adults or maybe a " kids go free" offer......its really all about establishing the habit.... | | | |
| Midweek attendances on 15:44 - Oct 2 with 779 views | TVOS1907 |
| Midweek attendances on 15:21 - Oct 2 by 49thseason |
You would hope that the new ticketing system is now talking to a CRM of some sort to at least enable the club to identify any new fans last night and send them a follow up email hoping they at least enjoyed the evening despite the result, it would also be interesting to know if Wednesday is a better night for them than Tuesday. I also wonder if an earlier kick off time would help more people with younger kids?
I would also advocate a discount voucher for new local visitors..a cash discount for adults or maybe a " kids go free" offer......its really all about establishing the habit.... |
As mentioned previously, DAZN and the National League control the day and kick-off time for full midweek programmes. | |
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| Midweek attendances on 15:56 - Oct 2 with 751 views | James1980 |
| Midweek attendances on 15:21 - Oct 2 by 49thseason |
You would hope that the new ticketing system is now talking to a CRM of some sort to at least enable the club to identify any new fans last night and send them a follow up email hoping they at least enjoyed the evening despite the result, it would also be interesting to know if Wednesday is a better night for them than Tuesday. I also wonder if an earlier kick off time would help more people with younger kids?
I would also advocate a discount voucher for new local visitors..a cash discount for adults or maybe a " kids go free" offer......its really all about establishing the habit.... |
How about in addition to the Fan Card a Mate's Rates card and the holder can get a discount for up to 4 additional spectators. Or season ticket holders can bring up to 2 friends to a game for a discounted price. | |
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