| Young team? 08:27 - Oct 26 with 1811 views | 1JD |
I keep reading we have a young side but in reality it’s a young squad, not first 11.
It has to be in context with the other sides. And most of the division has gone a lot younger this season.
Only on the first day did we field a team that was the youngest championship average.
Since then, we’re middle of the range.
Yesterday for example;
Nardi - 31
Dunne - 28
Mbengue - 23
Cook - 34
RND - 26
Vale - 22
Madsen - 25
Varane - 24
Saito - 24
Kone - 22
Burrell - 24
Average: 25.7.
That’s a typical championship turn out pretty much par for the course. |  | | |  |
| Young team? on 09:02 - Oct 26 with 1320 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Since we got relegated, it feels like the club has had great intentions with youth development but prematurely ejaculates every time we enter top 6 and reverts to what it knows.
There is absolutely no reason for Kolli and Esquerdinha to be left out of yesterday’s squad that I can see. |  | | |
| Young team? on 14:16 - Oct 26 with 1076 views | Northernr |
Yeh it’s one of the things quietly ditched since the Coventry debacle. Signing RND and Hayden the day after said a lot. |  | | |
| Young team? on 14:25 - Oct 26 with 1037 views | gazza1 |
| Young team? on 09:02 - Oct 26 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Since we got relegated, it feels like the club has had great intentions with youth development but prematurely ejaculates every time we enter top 6 and reverts to what it knows.
There is absolutely no reason for Kolli and Esquerdinha to be left out of yesterday’s squad that I can see. |
Kolli is imho not good enough to keep other established players out of the starting line up and I believe that there is more going on behind the scenes than many are not privy too. I would expect him to 'move on' in due course.
As for Esquerdinha, I would have tried to get him on the bench if I was JS but it is not easy with all the established players that we have on our books. I recon JS thoughts were that Esquerdinha is a FB but Field, for example, can play in other positions plus he is a much more experienced player. It tough being a Manager. [Post edited 26 Oct 14:26]
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| Young team? on 14:33 - Oct 26 with 1017 views | Paddyhoops |
| Young team? on 14:16 - Oct 26 by Northernr |
Yeh it’s one of the things quietly ditched since the Coventry debacle. Signing RND and Hayden the day after said a lot. |
I want to see our young lads progress but Morgan and Esqerdina were eaten alive that day .
That’s going to take A lot of coming back from .
Having said that Coventry do that to everyone.
If kone or Burrell and keep progressing they way they are and go for big money then not many will complain .
Worked for Brentford much as pains me to say it. | | | |
| Young team? on 15:52 - Oct 26 with 928 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Young team? on 14:25 - Oct 26 by gazza1 |
Kolli is imho not good enough to keep other established players out of the starting line up and I believe that there is more going on behind the scenes than many are not privy too. I would expect him to 'move on' in due course.
As for Esquerdinha, I would have tried to get him on the bench if I was JS but it is not easy with all the established players that we have on our books. I recon JS thoughts were that Esquerdinha is a FB but Field, for example, can play in other positions plus he is a much more experienced player. It tough being a Manager. [Post edited 26 Oct 14:26]
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You’ve totally missed the point. [Post edited 26 Oct 15:56]
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| Young team? on 15:54 - Oct 26 with 920 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Young team? on 14:33 - Oct 26 by Paddyhoops |
I want to see our young lads progress but Morgan and Esqerdina were eaten alive that day .
That’s going to take A lot of coming back from .
Having said that Coventry do that to everyone.
If kone or Burrell and keep progressing they way they are and go for big money then not many will complain .
Worked for Brentford much as pains me to say it. |
Everyone was eaten alive that day, including a centre back with 100 appearances in the Premiership.
Not fair to pick those two out IMO. [Post edited 26 Oct 15:56]
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| Young team? on 16:00 - Oct 26 with 878 views | JamesB1979 |
7 of that eleven are yet to hit peak of their careers. Then add Dembele, Vale, Poku, Morgan….will all play a role this season. Thats 11 players who have a good chance of being sold for decent transfer fee in future. That’s the plan no? | | | |
| Young team? on 16:11 - Oct 26 with 839 views | Paddyhoops |
| Young team? on 15:54 - Oct 26 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Everyone was eaten alive that day, including a centre back with 100 appearances in the Premiership.
Not fair to pick those two out IMO. [Post edited 26 Oct 15:56]
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Agreed but in the context of the thread I was mentioning the young players baz. | | | |
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| Young team? on 16:17 - Oct 26 with 824 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Young team? on 16:11 - Oct 26 by Paddyhoops |
Agreed but in the context of the thread I was mentioning the young players baz. |
Yeah I know mate, was a dig at the club not your good self. | | | |
| Young team? on 17:44 - Oct 26 with 703 views | 1JD |
| Young team? on 16:00 - Oct 26 by JamesB1979 |
7 of that eleven are yet to hit peak of their careers. Then add Dembele, Vale, Poku, Morgan….will all play a role this season. Thats 11 players who have a good chance of being sold for decent transfer fee in future. That’s the plan no? |
Most of those players are aged 24 and above and have about 1 year to pull in reasonable money, after which, aged 25 and beyond values plummet. At that age the market is a 3-10m range.
Will take some going to flip those and be successful with a player trading model any time soon.
The reality is the big bucks goes to players aged 18-21, playing regularly, sold to the prem in the range of 10-25m, and that’s how you develop a successful and scalable player trading model. | | | |
| Young team? on 17:47 - Oct 26 with 692 views | JamesB1979 |
| Young team? on 17:44 - Oct 26 by 1JD |
Most of those players are aged 24 and above and have about 1 year to pull in reasonable money, after which, aged 25 and beyond values plummet. At that age the market is a 3-10m range.
Will take some going to flip those and be successful with a player trading model any time soon.
The reality is the big bucks goes to players aged 18-21, playing regularly, sold to the prem in the range of 10-25m, and that’s how you develop a successful and scalable player trading model. |
So we lose to Derby and we’re not happy with signings of Mbengue, Kone, Saito, Poku, Burrell? | | | |
| Young team? on 17:52 - Oct 26 with 661 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Young team? on 17:47 - Oct 26 by JamesB1979 |
So we lose to Derby and we’re not happy with signings of Mbengue, Kone, Saito, Poku, Burrell? |
Nobody said this. | | | |
| Young team? on 17:56 - Oct 26 with 635 views | JamesB1979 |
He said it will take some to make money on the players we have. That sounds like he’s not happy with the signings. | | | |
| Young team? on 18:15 - Oct 26 with 558 views | 1JD |
| Young team? on 17:56 - Oct 26 by JamesB1979 |
He said it will take some to make money on the players we have. That sounds like he’s not happy with the signings. |
You’ve imagined something that wasn’t even written or implied.
The point is what constitutes a successful and scalable player trading model at this level - which is the stated club aim.
If you get 3-5m sales here and there, for players aged 24-27 like Les did - Smithies, Freeman, it won’t move the needle and we’ll have another 10 years of going round in circles. | | | |
| Young team? on 18:33 - Oct 26 with 500 views | JamesB1979 |
| Young team? on 18:15 - Oct 26 by 1JD |
You’ve imagined something that wasn’t even written or implied.
The point is what constitutes a successful and scalable player trading model at this level - which is the stated club aim.
If you get 3-5m sales here and there, for players aged 24-27 like Les did - Smithies, Freeman, it won’t move the needle and we’ll have another 10 years of going round in circles. |
Well I think you can sell a 25 or 26 year old for more than that. Say 10m.
Also, if you’re buying players for 1m (average) and selling them for 5m, then that does move the needle. | | | |
| Young team? on 18:45 - Oct 26 with 460 views | 1JD |
| Young team? on 18:33 - Oct 26 by JamesB1979 |
Well I think you can sell a 25 or 26 year old for more than that. Say 10m.
Also, if you’re buying players for 1m (average) and selling them for 5m, then that does move the needle. |
Selling a 25-26 for 10m+ has proven to be the exception not the norm in the championship. So banking on this kind of strategy is not only extremely high risk, but also unlikely.
Buying players for 1m and selling them for 5m - sounds good in practice. In reality you’ll be lucky to sell 4 of those in 4 consecutive seasons to bank 16m profit. That’s 4m a year profit with perfection. Again, won’t move the needle. .
The smart clubs who are truly executing the player trading model at scale, and that’s the key word, are not the ones trading a player every season in the 24-27 year age group, but executing big bang sales for truly young talents. | | | |
| Young team? on 18:50 - Oct 26 with 438 views | JamesB1979 |
| Young team? on 18:45 - Oct 26 by 1JD |
Selling a 25-26 for 10m+ has proven to be the exception not the norm in the championship. So banking on this kind of strategy is not only extremely high risk, but also unlikely.
Buying players for 1m and selling them for 5m - sounds good in practice. In reality you’ll be lucky to sell 4 of those in 4 consecutive seasons to bank 16m profit. That’s 4m a year profit with perfection. Again, won’t move the needle. .
The smart clubs who are truly executing the player trading model at scale, and that’s the key word, are not the ones trading a player every season in the 24-27 year age group, but executing big bang sales for truly young talents. |
I think it’s a process. We’ve come a long way from the squad that started the season under Gareth Ainsworth. We’re moving in right direction. My biggest concern this season is making into top half of championship. I’m less confident in that then selling these players for some good profit | | | |
| Young team? on 19:19 - Oct 26 with 365 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Success breeds success. If we're challenging for the play-offs every season, our players are seen as successful and more likely to attract offers.
Conversely, if we continue the pattern of the last decade, our players aren't as attractive because they're not pulling up any trees.
Obviously there are exceptional talents like Eze but you think of someone like Chair who has been a great player for us but arguably never got a big transfer because the teams he's played in were so average. Conversely, you'd imagine Premier League clubs will be looking at Coventry players if they keep up their form.
I think the standard of players we've signed has definitely improved recently but we need them to perform in a successful team to really reap the rewards. | | | |
| Young team? on 19:30 - Oct 26 with 323 views | daveB |
It's still quite young in terms of experience at this level which is what I think they mean |  | | |
| Young team? on 19:31 - Oct 26 with 319 views | Ned_Kennedys |
What’s the point in shoehorning in as many younger players as possible and ending every season 16th or lower? You’re not going to get your players noticed and sold for big money if the team are constantly bottom half of the table. Can’t think of any of the young players who have shown enough to be playing week in week out yet at the expense of the players who have taken us to top 10 so far. |  | | |
| Young team? on 19:39 - Oct 26 with 304 views | Loyalitat |
| Young team? on 17:44 - Oct 26 by 1JD |
Most of those players are aged 24 and above and have about 1 year to pull in reasonable money, after which, aged 25 and beyond values plummet. At that age the market is a 3-10m range.
Will take some going to flip those and be successful with a player trading model any time soon.
The reality is the big bucks goes to players aged 18-21, playing regularly, sold to the prem in the range of 10-25m, and that’s how you develop a successful and scalable player trading model. |
Agree entirely. Which makes the ostracising of Kolli, for that's what it is, all the more baffling.
What he achieved as a 19-year old last season in very pressurised situations/games is evidence enough that he has the ability and temperament.
Currently, none of Vale, Dembele or Saito are on course to replicate Kolli's numbers in 21 games last season: 5 goals and 2 assists. Nobody is saying that he should be starting, but he is just as good as the abovenamed in my opinion and is younger. Even this season, he has scored one goal in 6 games, which is still better than Dembele. [Post edited 26 Oct 19:51]
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| Young team? on 19:43 - Oct 26 with 276 views | JamesB1979 |
| Young team? on 19:39 - Oct 26 by Loyalitat |
Agree entirely. Which makes the ostracising of Kolli, for that's what it is, all the more baffling.
What he achieved as a 19-year old last season in very pressurised situations/games is evidence enough that he has the ability and temperament.
Currently, none of Vale, Dembele or Saito are on course to replicate Kolli's numbers in 21 games last season: 5 goals and 2 assists. Nobody is saying that he should be starting, but he is just as good as the abovenamed in my opinion and is younger. Even this season, he has scored one goal in 6 games, which is still better than Dembele. [Post edited 26 Oct 19:51]
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Agree on Kolli. Dembele after a promising pre-season and 1st game of the season has been pretty abysmal. For me when Poku comes in this Saturday, Dembele should be dropped from the squad. | | | |
| Young team? on 20:00 - Oct 26 with 217 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Young team? on 19:31 - Oct 26 by Ned_Kennedys |
What’s the point in shoehorning in as many younger players as possible and ending every season 16th or lower? You’re not going to get your players noticed and sold for big money if the team are constantly bottom half of the table. Can’t think of any of the young players who have shown enough to be playing week in week out yet at the expense of the players who have taken us to top 10 so far. |
Take it up with the club, who said that’s what they want to do, not supporters pointing it out. | | | |
| Young team? on 20:02 - Oct 26 with 214 views | JamesB1979 |
| Young team? on 20:00 - Oct 26 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Take it up with the club, who said that’s what they want to do, not supporters pointing it out. |
The club has never said that | | | |
| Young team? on 20:02 - Oct 26 with 213 views | gazza1 |
| Young team? on 19:43 - Oct 26 by JamesB1979 |
Agree on Kolli. Dembele after a promising pre-season and 1st game of the season has been pretty abysmal. For me when Poku comes in this Saturday, Dembele should be dropped from the squad. |
Time will tell re Kolli but I would pick several ahead of him even for the bench.
As for Dembele, disappointing indeed and why he has been benched most of the season (when he has been fit which he hasn't been). Dembele is one of our youngest in the squad.
No chance of Poku starting this Saturday. | | | |
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