| Labour voters 00:45 - Sep 4 with 6614 views | Boundy |
still the right choice ?
This must be the 4th or 5th bombshell from Labour, Pensioners winter fuel allowance, can’t rule out pension taxes and LTA changes, can’t rule out removing the single persons council tax discount and now they are clearly positioning us to expect a significant reduction in the armed forces spending, just when the world is at its most dangerous since the Cold War. |  |
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| Labour voters on 08:12 - Sep 11 with 1143 views | Dr_Winston |
| Labour voters on 09:42 - Sep 9 by Baptist |
" window of opportunity for blaming the Tories slammed shut"
No it didn't. That window is still very much wide open and blowing about in the gale with papers swirling all over the place... |
Starmer's rating figures suggest otherwise. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Labour voters on 08:30 - Sep 11 with 1128 views | Scotia |
| Labour voters on 08:12 - Sep 11 by Dr_Winston |
Starmer's rating figures suggest otherwise. |
That was always going to happen. They'll fall further after the budget.
Hard choices need to be made and that isn't popular.
Those hard choices are needed becasue of the Tories, there's no hiding that. That doesn't neccessarily mean he's made the right ones but I don't think he's too far off. | | | |
| Labour voters on 08:45 - Sep 11 with 1119 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Labour voters on 08:30 - Sep 11 by Scotia |
That was always going to happen. They'll fall further after the budget.
Hard choices need to be made and that isn't popular.
Those hard choices are needed becasue of the Tories, there's no hiding that. That doesn't neccessarily mean he's made the right ones but I don't think he's too far off. |
I think the handling of the WFA has been poor but it was a decision that needed to be made. Starmer can still blame the tories for the things they got wrong and there's very many but now he can expect to be blamed for the things he gets wrong, the handling of WFA is the starting point.
Wait til the budget, I expect there'll be a lot more moaning. Thng is, I expect taxes to rise, I actually expected he raise income tax because there is so much that needs doing, a massive debt and deficit to cut too.
I wouldn't object if they were making good decisions and getting things right but they're not off to a great start. | | | |
| Labour voters on 09:21 - Sep 11 with 1104 views | Dr_Winston |
| Labour voters on 08:30 - Sep 11 by Scotia |
That was always going to happen. They'll fall further after the budget.
Hard choices need to be made and that isn't popular.
Those hard choices are needed becasue of the Tories, there's no hiding that. That doesn't neccessarily mean he's made the right ones but I don't think he's too far off. |
I'm not arguing the right or wrong of it. Just saying that when you're declaring a "£22bn black hole in public finances" whilst almost simultaneously committing more than that to overseas funding and public sector payrises, your ability to say "The Tories did it!" will not be unlimited. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Labour voters on 10:05 - Sep 11 with 1064 views | onehunglow |
Sure we have issues but those more able to contribute shouod do so.
No signs at all of the “ rich” being targeted ,as they should.
We are still very divided
Hammering those just above the “ poverty line” is cowardly and cruel
People will die because if this government | |
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| Labour voters on 10:16 - Sep 11 with 1058 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Labour voters on 08:30 - Sep 11 by Scotia |
That was always going to happen. They'll fall further after the budget.
Hard choices need to be made and that isn't popular.
Those hard choices are needed becasue of the Tories, there's no hiding that. That doesn't neccessarily mean he's made the right ones but I don't think he's too far off. |
It’s not a hard choice though it’s an easy one. They know pensioners won’t fight back and lots of them will be dead by the next election anyway.
It would only be a hard choice if they had any shred of humanity in their cold dark souls. |  |
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| Labour voters on 10:33 - Sep 11 with 1045 views | onehunglow |
| Labour voters on 10:16 - Sep 11 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It’s not a hard choice though it’s an easy one. They know pensioners won’t fight back and lots of them will be dead by the next election anyway.
It would only be a hard choice if they had any shred of humanity in their cold dark souls. |
Hence my allegation of cowardice
Pensioners won’t take to the streets stopping traffic,looting or chucking objects at the police
Neither will they be flogging dope
They will be moshing at home,thinking whether to eat or heat or whether it’s worth living at all.
Labour presents itself as being for “ ordinary” people. The biggest lie ever spouted .
Nobody uttering this should be trusted | |
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| Labour voters on 15:37 - Sep 11 with 971 views | controversial_jack |
| Labour voters on 10:33 - Sep 11 by onehunglow |
Hence my allegation of cowardice
Pensioners won’t take to the streets stopping traffic,looting or chucking objects at the police
Neither will they be flogging dope
They will be moshing at home,thinking whether to eat or heat or whether it’s worth living at all.
Labour presents itself as being for “ ordinary” people. The biggest lie ever spouted .
Nobody uttering this should be trusted |
They will be getting a £400 pension increase | | | |
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| Labour voters on 15:52 - Sep 11 with 966 views | howenjack |
| Labour voters on 15:37 - Sep 11 by controversial_jack |
They will be getting a £400 pension increase |
Just over a pound a day . wow . British pension is the lowest in Europe - worldwide on a par at the bottom of the civilised world with Mexico and their heating bills are a lot less over there . | | | |
| Labour voters on 16:35 - Sep 11 with 920 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Labour voters on 15:37 - Sep 11 by controversial_jack |
They will be getting a £400 pension increase |
And once you take tax out of it and they pay their extra winter bills there'll be precious little left. some will likely be worse off. | | | |
| Labour voters on 17:01 - Sep 11 with 905 views | swan65split |
| Labour voters on 08:45 - Sep 11 by SullutaCreturned |
I think the handling of the WFA has been poor but it was a decision that needed to be made. Starmer can still blame the tories for the things they got wrong and there's very many but now he can expect to be blamed for the things he gets wrong, the handling of WFA is the starting point.
Wait til the budget, I expect there'll be a lot more moaning. Thng is, I expect taxes to rise, I actually expected he raise income tax because there is so much that needs doing, a massive debt and deficit to cut too.
I wouldn't object if they were making good decisions and getting things right but they're not off to a great start. |
Be truthful he said , as we again fork out money today, and cut the WRA, and strong rumours Free bus travel will be next . |  | | |
| Labour voters on 17:12 - Sep 11 with 870 views | Whiterockin |
| Labour voters on 17:01 - Sep 11 by swan65split |
Be truthful he said , as we again fork out money today, and cut the WRA, and strong rumours Free bus travel will be next . |
That won't help the accident statistics with elderly drivers off public transport and back on the roads. But it will be up to the Senedd to decide. |  | | |
| Labour voters on 17:43 - Sep 11 with 830 views | swan65split |
| Labour voters on 17:12 - Sep 11 by Whiterockin |
That won't help the accident statistics with elderly drivers off public transport and back on the roads. But it will be up to the Senedd to decide. |
ours will probably come down to how much money they give us, could be a case of toss up between prescriptions and travel. | | | |
| Labour voters on 13:35 - Sep 12 with 684 views | controversial_jack |
| Labour voters on 16:35 - Sep 11 by SullutaCreturned |
And once you take tax out of it and they pay their extra winter bills there'll be precious little left. some will likely be worse off. |
They won't pay tax on the state pension alone as it's below the taxation threshold. | | | |
| Labour voters on 17:24 - Sep 12 with 626 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Labour voters on 13:35 - Sep 12 by controversial_jack |
They won't pay tax on the state pension alone as it's below the taxation threshold. |
I wonder how many OAP's only get the state pension? I wonder how many have an occy pension, even if small, or recieve benefits? | | | |
| Labour voters on 18:22 - Sep 12 with 604 views | trampie |
I've told anyone on here that is prepared to listen over recent times that Labour are the same as the Tories they are both free marketeers, capitalists, right wingers, this Labour Party are as far away from being a Socialist party as you can get. |  |
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| Labour voters on 21:11 - Sep 12 with 541 views | majorraglan |
Interesting article in the Guardian this week where the EU have taken action against Apple regarding their tax arrangements with Ireland. Apple have been forced to pay £13bn in tax, maybe that’s something our Government could look at? Is there scope to target companies who’ve been trading here for years and based in tax havens to pay their tax here?
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/sep/09/top-eu-courts-ruling-on-ap | | | |
| Labour voters on 22:28 - Sep 12 with 505 views | Ohyeah |
| Labour voters on 21:11 - Sep 12 by majorraglan |
Interesting article in the Guardian this week where the EU have taken action against Apple regarding their tax arrangements with Ireland. Apple have been forced to pay £13bn in tax, maybe that’s something our Government could look at? Is there scope to target companies who’ve been trading here for years and based in tax havens to pay their tax here?
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/sep/09/top-eu-courts-ruling-on-ap |
Totally agree.
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| Labour voters on 00:15 - Sep 13 with 477 views | Robbie |
Old fart like me can take the loss of the WFA , know many similar oldies up in arms though .
My first concern is youngsters trying to get on the property ladder , my son in this issue .
I help out on all his costs , mortgage , energy bills, Council tax , etc , all going upward .
What annoys me is my Pension plans both Private/State being attacked for covering over a mess made by Politicians , all of whom will have no problems seeing the Winter through .
Starmer and Sunack will shout the odds at PMQ , all blame on the other party as usual .
This black hole of £22 million is front and centre of all debate , the cynic in me says my hard earned is earmarked for other causes to cover .
Way back in the past my parents had the opportunity to buy our council house , we did and had a chance to move on years later to our own private house .
Seems that outlet now is being closed down for first time buyers , nowadays a chance of screwing the system again used by baddies . | | | |
| Labour voters on 06:55 - Sep 13 with 425 views | mangohilljack |
| Labour voters on 08:30 - Sep 11 by Scotia |
That was always going to happen. They'll fall further after the budget.
Hard choices need to be made and that isn't popular.
Those hard choices are needed becasue of the Tories, there's no hiding that. That doesn't neccessarily mean he's made the right ones but I don't think he's too far off. |
What about his choice of hating British citizens | | | |
| Labour voters on 08:08 - Sep 13 with 396 views | onehunglow |
Is socialism a good concept but impracticable because of human nature? | |
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| Labour voters on 08:57 - Sep 13 with 365 views | Scotia |
| Labour voters on 08:08 - Sep 13 by onehunglow |
Is socialism a good concept but impracticable because of human nature? |
Pretty much. And unafforadable. | | | |
| Labour voters on 09:10 - Sep 13 with 363 views | onehunglow |
| Labour voters on 08:57 - Sep 13 by Scotia |
Pretty much. And unafforadable. |
Excellent reply that | |
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| Labour voters on 09:13 - Sep 13 with 360 views | controversial_jack |
| Labour voters on 08:08 - Sep 13 by onehunglow |
Is socialism a good concept but impracticable because of human nature? |
So is pure capitalism. it's why we need a balance of the two | | | |
| Labour voters on 09:14 - Sep 13 with 358 views | onehunglow |
| Labour voters on 09:13 - Sep 13 by controversial_jack |
So is pure capitalism. it's why we need a balance of the two |
Also,a good rep,y
Jesus,it’s gonna be a good day | |
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