| Why can't the UK 13:03 - Mar 20 with 8068 views | Boundy |
I've just seen a BBC report on how the Irish Republic deal with illegal immigrants coming in from the north. they have at certain crossing points into the republic vehicle checks and in which when if unable to prove their status the occupants are returned to the north the same day , no fuss ,no issues , so why are we in the UK obliged to spend hundreds of millions on those who shouldn't be here .
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| Why can't the UK on 12:35 - Mar 27 with 1163 views | Boundy |
County hall steps is like Baghdad on a good day , We'd loved to live down the marina but can't afford to , yet .
Have to go, my doctors going to ring me today and its two weeks since my appointment was made and I can't afford to miss his call. | |
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| Why can't the UK on 13:42 - Mar 27 with 1141 views | onehunglow |
| Why can't the UK on 12:35 - Mar 27 by Boundy |
County hall steps is like Baghdad on a good day , We'd loved to live down the marina but can't afford to , yet .
Have to go, my doctors going to ring me today and its two weeks since my appointment was made and I can't afford to miss his call. |
The less affluent areas of Britain are targeted as sanctuaries
We do not " have to look after them"
We can help them return
Nobody has to live here if they can't handle the indignation of the indigenous folk | |
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| Why can't the UK on 15:52 - Mar 27 with 1116 views | Boundy |
| Why can't the UK on 13:42 - Mar 27 by onehunglow |
The less affluent areas of Britain are targeted as sanctuaries
We do not " have to look after them"
We can help them return
Nobody has to live here if they can't handle the indignation of the indigenous folk |
What I don't understand is that the that UK population is set to rise by nearly 5 million over the course of the next decade, this from the Office for National Statistics, if that true then it can't be because all of a sudden the indigenous population are going to start breeding like rabbits so they must be expecting the continual mass illegals to continue entering and staying,? | |
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| Why can't the UK on 19:24 - Mar 27 with 1065 views | KeithHaynes |
Ireland is overrun by illegal immigrants. One on five of the population, according to a variety of YouTube channels. Even one in ten is horrendous. |  |
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| Why can't the UK on 00:23 - Mar 28 with 992 views | Robbie |
Had a bit of a do the other night in a top mentioned Swansea Hotel .
All the serving staff , waitress and waiters were from a diverse background , easy to spot .
To find the balancing act between people who are prepared to accept the work and get their hands dirty is a choice for No 10. Not many local folk serving that night though .
Good luck Starmer sorting this current issue of immigration , you really are out of your depth with your HR lawyer background , pick a side mush .
Angela Merkel opened the door to a Million refugees to Germany , they are so welcome .
Xmas fairs and outdoor market events on the main roads there now are a look over your shoulder just in case . | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 08:20 - Mar 28 with 944 views | Scotia |
I think it's a fair article. Public services in this country are in a dire state after years of austerity and we live in an increidbly volatile world. Labour have inherited the biggest poison chalice in history.
This sentence shone out at me:-
"Voters want visible, material improvements, especially on living costs and public services"
Who is going to pay for it? | | | |
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| Why can't the UK on 17:14 - Mar 28 with 880 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Why can't the UK on 08:20 - Mar 28 by Scotia |
I think it's a fair article. Public services in this country are in a dire state after years of austerity and we live in an increidbly volatile world. Labour have inherited the biggest poison chalice in history.
This sentence shone out at me:-
"Voters want visible, material improvements, especially on living costs and public services"
Who is going to pay for it? |
I don't mind paying extra as long as we see things improving. What I do object to is seeing prices constantly rising but things getting worse.
Our council tax is going up again but there will be more cuts to services. I had enough of that. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 21:28 - Mar 28 with 855 views | Scotia |
| Why can't the UK on 17:14 - Mar 28 by SullutaCreturned |
I don't mind paying extra as long as we see things improving. What I do object to is seeing prices constantly rising but things getting worse.
Our council tax is going up again but there will be more cuts to services. I had enough of that. |
There's a huge burden on local authorities, everything from social care to potholes. They're as skint as everyone but our tax to them is more obvious.
I do object to paying more for a community council in my area that I don't need and don't seem to elect. It's about £50 a year. We have nothing the adjacent ward without a community council does.
I honestly think was the cumulative 5% NI reduction the Tories introduced was a shocking piece of electioneering. The country needs the cash and they knew they wouldn't have to balance the books. It cost the country a fortune.
Who'd elect anyone who said they'd raise taxes? We need to and that's just the start. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 11:01 - Mar 29 with 784 views | controversial_jack |
| Why can't the UK on 08:20 - Mar 28 by Scotia |
I think it's a fair article. Public services in this country are in a dire state after years of austerity and we live in an increidbly volatile world. Labour have inherited the biggest poison chalice in history.
This sentence shone out at me:-
"Voters want visible, material improvements, especially on living costs and public services"
Who is going to pay for it? |
If we want better services we have to pay more. Those who complain that our state pension is low compared to other countries, don't seen to realise that it's paid for by those in work, and that they would have to contribute even more to fund it | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 11:34 - Mar 29 with 771 views | Whiterockin |
| Why can't the UK on 11:01 - Mar 29 by controversial_jack |
If we want better services we have to pay more. Those who complain that our state pension is low compared to other countries, don't seen to realise that it's paid for by those in work, and that they would have to contribute even more to fund it |
Exactly how I paid in all my working life, even though the rules changed as we went along. Yet those who haven't done a stroke of work all their life, haven't paid in still get their pension. I would whole heartedly agree to a system where the more you earn the more you pay in and the more you get back. That is to late for me, but I would have supported it and paid in instead of private pensions. It would be the end of the massive pension funds though and the power they wield. |  | | |
| Why can't the UK on 13:32 - Mar 29 with 712 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
I recall Hilary Wedgwood Benn making a speech in the HoC about 10 years ago. He said it was vital the UK was involved in the bombing missions over Syria.
UK was already bombing Iraq. Every one who cuts my hair is from Sulaymaneya in Kurdistan/ Iraq. [Post edited 29 Mar 13:34]
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| Why can't the UK on 14:12 - Mar 29 with 676 views | controversial_jack |
| Why can't the UK on 11:34 - Mar 29 by Whiterockin |
Exactly how I paid in all my working life, even though the rules changed as we went along. Yet those who haven't done a stroke of work all their life, haven't paid in still get their pension. I would whole heartedly agree to a system where the more you earn the more you pay in and the more you get back. That is to late for me, but I would have supported it and paid in instead of private pensions. It would be the end of the massive pension funds though and the power they wield. |
It doesn't work like that though. It's not a savings account. Contributions go to general taxation and get's spent. The £1.50 a week i paid in 73 has long gone | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 14:16 - Mar 29 with 672 views | Whiterockin |
| Why can't the UK on 14:12 - Mar 29 by controversial_jack |
It doesn't work like that though. It's not a savings account. Contributions go to general taxation and get's spent. The £1.50 a week i paid in 73 has long gone |
You said about contributing more to receive more, then said it doesn't work like that when I agreed. OK. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 14:31 - Mar 29 with 631 views | controversial_jack |
| Why can't the UK on 14:16 - Mar 29 by Whiterockin |
You said about contributing more to receive more, then said it doesn't work like that when I agreed. OK. |
It does, but not per person. It goes into the funds that hopefully get to the services | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 14:59 - Mar 29 with 610 views | Whiterockin |
| Why can't the UK on 14:31 - Mar 29 by controversial_jack |
It does, but not per person. It goes into the funds that hopefully get to the services |
You said.
"Those who complain that our state pension is low compared to other countries, don't seen to realise that it's paid for by those in work, and that they would have to contribute even more to fund it"
I put forward how this would work or do you think those who contribute should pay more to give an equal pension to those that never have. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 17:13 - Mar 29 with 547 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Why can't the UK on 21:28 - Mar 28 by Scotia |
There's a huge burden on local authorities, everything from social care to potholes. They're as skint as everyone but our tax to them is more obvious.
I do object to paying more for a community council in my area that I don't need and don't seem to elect. It's about £50 a year. We have nothing the adjacent ward without a community council does.
I honestly think was the cumulative 5% NI reduction the Tories introduced was a shocking piece of electioneering. The country needs the cash and they knew they wouldn't have to balance the books. It cost the country a fortune.
Who'd elect anyone who said they'd raise taxes? We need to and that's just the start. |
That's my point, it doesn't matter where the money goes we all pay more every year and see cuts. Central funding gets less so councils put up council tax to fund things but still make cuts.
Then it all comes back to my posts about the Senedd and where they waste money. People indukge in the Westminster whataboutery but I think pointing out the waste from the people who have most responsibility over where I live is fair, the English can complain about England.
I expect Kilky to come along and say "ah brexit" but we should all complain about ongoing government waste whenever and wherever we find it. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 11:25 - Mar 30 with 463 views | controversial_jack |
| Why can't the UK on 14:59 - Mar 29 by Whiterockin |
You said.
"Those who complain that our state pension is low compared to other countries, don't seen to realise that it's paid for by those in work, and that they would have to contribute even more to fund it"
I put forward how this would work or do you think those who contribute should pay more to give an equal pension to those that never have. |
I can't say, because i'm not working and have retired and in receipt of a pension, so It wouldn't be right for me to expect other to pay more towards it.
I believe everyone should have a basic level of income to survive. How it's done, i'm not really sure. I do believe that most would like to work if they could. Childcare is a big problem though. Often the burden is put onto grandparents who have already done their bit.
Maybe we should look to see how other European countries Scandinavian ones do it rather than our looking towards the US, which in my opinion is a failed state and is getting much worse. It's a country closing in on itself, but that's another thread i think | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 16:39 - Mar 30 with 385 views | max936 |
Cause Starmer loves asylum seekers, £39 a day a place to live, B&B, Hotel, House or flat free eye tests and glasses, prescriptions and NHS treatment, apparently.
All paid for by the good old hardworking British Taxpayer. |  |
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| Why can't the UK on 17:56 - Mar 30 with 360 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Why can't the UK on 16:39 - Mar 30 by max936 |
Cause Starmer loves asylum seekers, £39 a day a place to live, B&B, Hotel, House or flat free eye tests and glasses, prescriptions and NHS treatment, apparently.
All paid for by the good old hardworking British Taxpayer. |
Could I turn up in any other country, claim asylum and get everything paid for? Maybe I should buy a small boat and row to France? Some on here may like that though  | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 19:27 - Mar 30 with 310 views | max936 |
| Why can't the UK on 17:56 - Mar 30 by SullutaCreturned |
Could I turn up in any other country, claim asylum and get everything paid for? Maybe I should buy a small boat and row to France? Some on here may like that though |
I'll come with you I could do with some exercise. | |
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| Why can't the UK on 22:49 - Mar 30 with 270 views | johnlangy |
When people cross the channel and claim asylum and their claims are processed we find that about 60% are valid claims and 40% aren't. But the 40% still come presumably because they know they'll end up being in the UK for years before anything happens and they'll probably just disappear under the radar anyway and end up washing cars or whatever.
The government say they've recruited a large number of extra people to process the backlog. What if they decided they were going to use all the new processors to work on the claims of the small boat people as soon as they cross the channel. And those people would be detained, unable to go anywhere while their claim is processed. And the failed asylum seekers would be deported immediately.
This would mean that the 40% would KNOW they will be refused and would KNOW that they would be paying £3/4/5000 for nothing. That they would be deported back to where they came from and would not be allowed to stay.
If that was to happen would they simply decide not to come in the first place.
And if they did decide not to come then the 50,000 or so each year drops immediately to 30,000.
Can anyone explain any logic problems with that idea ?
So surely they would not come because there'd be no point. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 08:44 - Mar 31 with 189 views | Boundy |
| Why can't the UK on 08:20 - Mar 28 by Scotia |
I think it's a fair article. Public services in this country are in a dire state after years of austerity and we live in an increidbly volatile world. Labour have inherited the biggest poison chalice in history.
This sentence shone out at me:-
"Voters want visible, material improvements, especially on living costs and public services"
Who is going to pay for it? |
In answer to your question , us of course ,along with paying for and supplying the following :
https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get
1. Overview
You can get housing and money to support you and your family while you're waiting to find out if you'll be given asylum.
This also means your children will go to a free state school and you and they get free healthcare from the National Health Service (NHS).
You can also apply for further short-term support if you've been refused asylum but have not yet left the UK.
2. What you'll get.
You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.
a.Housing.
You'll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.
The provision of accommodation includes free rent, free electricity, free gas, free water, free council tax, free repairs, free ongoing maintenance; and is also fully furnished and equipped free with both household goods (for example kitchenware, a washing machine or access to laundry services) and linens (towels and sheets for example).
b.Cash support.
You'll usually get £49.18 per week for each person in your household. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.
Your allowance will be loaded onto a debit card each week. You'll be able to use the card to get cash from a cash machine
If your accommodation provides all your meals you'll get £8.86 for each person in your household instead.
If you've been refused asylum but are still in the UK you'll be given:
• somewhere to live, free.
• £49.18 per person on a payment card for food, clothing and toiletries (or £8.86 per person if your accommodation provides all your meals).
c. Extra money for mothers and young children.
You'll get extra money if you're pregnant or a mother of a child aged 3 or under. The amount you get will depend on your situation:-
Pregnant mother
Extra money per week £5.25.
Each baby under 1 year old
£9.50 per week.
Each child aged 1 to 3
£5.25 per week.
d. Maternity payment.
You can apply for a one-off £300 maternity payment if your baby is due in 11 weeks or less, or if your baby is under 6 months old.
You can apply for the maternity payment whether you are an asylum seeker or you've been refused asylum but are still in the UK.
3. Healthcare.
You will get free National Health Service (NHS) healthcare, such as to see a doctor or get hospital treatment.
You'll also get:
• free prescriptions for medicine.
• free dental care for your teeth.
• free eyesight tests.
. help paying for glasses.
4. Education.
Your children must attend school if they are aged 5 to 17. All state schools are free and your children should be able to get free school meals too.
3. Eligibility.
You can apply for asylum support if you're homeless or do not have money to buy food.
If you've been refused asylum you can ask for the following if you're homeless, do not have any money to buy food and you can show that there's a reason why you cannot leave the UK yet:
• short-term housing
• Free prescriptions for medicine, free dental care, free eyesight tests and glasses
• a payment card for food and toiletries.
4. Further Support.
You may also be able to obtain additional financial support if the general allowance will not cover your needs.
The normal support provided generally includes a cash allowance to cover 'essential living needs' that are not met through other parts of the overall package of support provided.
The cash allowance should generally be sufficient to cover the following needs:
.food . clothing. toiletries • non-prescription medication • household cleaning items • communications • travel • the ability to access social, cultural and religious life.
The level of the cash allowance takes into consideration that other essential living needs (for example, warmth, cooking, lighting) are covered by the provision of accommodation that includes free rent, free electricity, free gas, free water, free repairs and maintenance, and is also fully furnished and equipped for you for free with both household goods (for example kitchenware, access to laundry services) and linens (towels and sheets for example).
Further support on addition to the above may be provided to the supported person and any dependants in such other ways as considered necessary.
If it is considered that further support is necessary, this may be provided in a variety of ways, including:
• in cash • in kind • by changes to accommodation arrangements • by changes to other arrangements.
Pregnant women and young children may have further needs. It is possible that in a given circumstance, the normal cash allowance including the additional payments mentioned above, may not be capable of meeting a specific need. In such circumstances, an application for further support may be considered. Each request should be dealt with on its own individual merits | |
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| Why can't the UK on 09:22 - Mar 31 with 174 views | Whiterockin |
| Why can't the UK on 08:44 - Mar 31 by Boundy |
In answer to your question , us of course ,along with paying for and supplying the following :
https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get
1. Overview
You can get housing and money to support you and your family while you're waiting to find out if you'll be given asylum.
This also means your children will go to a free state school and you and they get free healthcare from the National Health Service (NHS).
You can also apply for further short-term support if you've been refused asylum but have not yet left the UK.
2. What you'll get.
You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.
a.Housing.
You'll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.
The provision of accommodation includes free rent, free electricity, free gas, free water, free council tax, free repairs, free ongoing maintenance; and is also fully furnished and equipped free with both household goods (for example kitchenware, a washing machine or access to laundry services) and linens (towels and sheets for example).
b.Cash support.
You'll usually get £49.18 per week for each person in your household. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.
Your allowance will be loaded onto a debit card each week. You'll be able to use the card to get cash from a cash machine
If your accommodation provides all your meals you'll get £8.86 for each person in your household instead.
If you've been refused asylum but are still in the UK you'll be given:
• somewhere to live, free.
• £49.18 per person on a payment card for food, clothing and toiletries (or £8.86 per person if your accommodation provides all your meals).
c. Extra money for mothers and young children.
You'll get extra money if you're pregnant or a mother of a child aged 3 or under. The amount you get will depend on your situation:-
Pregnant mother
Extra money per week £5.25.
Each baby under 1 year old
£9.50 per week.
Each child aged 1 to 3
£5.25 per week.
d. Maternity payment.
You can apply for a one-off £300 maternity payment if your baby is due in 11 weeks or less, or if your baby is under 6 months old.
You can apply for the maternity payment whether you are an asylum seeker or you've been refused asylum but are still in the UK.
3. Healthcare.
You will get free National Health Service (NHS) healthcare, such as to see a doctor or get hospital treatment.
You'll also get:
• free prescriptions for medicine.
• free dental care for your teeth.
• free eyesight tests.
. help paying for glasses.
4. Education.
Your children must attend school if they are aged 5 to 17. All state schools are free and your children should be able to get free school meals too.
3. Eligibility.
You can apply for asylum support if you're homeless or do not have money to buy food.
If you've been refused asylum you can ask for the following if you're homeless, do not have any money to buy food and you can show that there's a reason why you cannot leave the UK yet:
• short-term housing
• Free prescriptions for medicine, free dental care, free eyesight tests and glasses
• a payment card for food and toiletries.
4. Further Support.
You may also be able to obtain additional financial support if the general allowance will not cover your needs.
The normal support provided generally includes a cash allowance to cover 'essential living needs' that are not met through other parts of the overall package of support provided.
The cash allowance should generally be sufficient to cover the following needs:
.food . clothing. toiletries • non-prescription medication • household cleaning items • communications • travel • the ability to access social, cultural and religious life.
The level of the cash allowance takes into consideration that other essential living needs (for example, warmth, cooking, lighting) are covered by the provision of accommodation that includes free rent, free electricity, free gas, free water, free repairs and maintenance, and is also fully furnished and equipped for you for free with both household goods (for example kitchenware, access to laundry services) and linens (towels and sheets for example).
Further support on addition to the above may be provided to the supported person and any dependants in such other ways as considered necessary.
If it is considered that further support is necessary, this may be provided in a variety of ways, including:
• in cash • in kind • by changes to accommodation arrangements • by changes to other arrangements.
Pregnant women and young children may have further needs. It is possible that in a given circumstance, the normal cash allowance including the additional payments mentioned above, may not be capable of meeting a specific need. In such circumstances, an application for further support may be considered. Each request should be dealt with on its own individual merits |
I wouldn't mind going there. | | | |
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