| Why can't the UK 13:03 - Mar 20 with 8547 views | Boundy |
I've just seen a BBC report on how the Irish Republic deal with illegal immigrants coming in from the north. they have at certain crossing points into the republic vehicle checks and in which when if unable to prove their status the occupants are returned to the north the same day , no fuss ,no issues , so why are we in the UK obliged to spend hundreds of millions on those who shouldn't be here .
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| Why can't the UK on 23:36 - Apr 1 with 833 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Why can't the UK on 23:07 - Apr 1 by max936 |
We're a tiny Country and we are full, we can't take anymore and we need to ship most back, they are building blocks and blocks of Chalet type accommodation in Cardiff, to house them whose paying for all that?, whilst we got thousands of our own people sleeping on the streets, you'll have some excuse not doubt.
Hows the fight against pollution and other environmental issues going??? |
Do these migrants get sent to Wales by England do you think ?
Dispersal apparently …. ? |  |
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| Why can't the UK on 23:37 - Apr 1 with 817 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Why can't the UK on 23:07 - Apr 1 by max936 |
We're a tiny Country and we are full, we can't take anymore and we need to ship most back, they are building blocks and blocks of Chalet type accommodation in Cardiff, to house them whose paying for all that?, whilst we got thousands of our own people sleeping on the streets, you'll have some excuse not doubt.
Hows the fight against pollution and other environmental issues going??? |
Do you hate science ?
There is an idiot in the White House who does ..🇺🇸 | |
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| Why can't the UK on 03:01 - Apr 2 with 788 views | AnotherJohn |
| Why can't the UK on 23:34 - Apr 1 by Kilkennyjack |
Labour doing a much better job ..
Boundy ? |
Almost all were voluntary returns - meaning most of them got paid. The key point is that there are still more illegal migrants arriving than leaving. The pledge to reduce hotel use has not been achieved - there are more not fewer rooms currently occupied. The change in policy to allow illegal entrants after the Tory cut-off date a chance of asylum when they were told they had no chance, means a whole lot more will stay in the UK. The flow of migrants to Ireland in fear of Rwanda has reduced, with the UK actually allowing returns from EU Ireland (contrary to what happens the other way with France). The cost of all this is astronomical and rising month by month. I'd say it is a huge mess and Labour are starting to get worried because they know this will mean no second term. Hence I expect some new policies soon. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 06:17 - Apr 2 with 763 views | Scotia |
| Why can't the UK on 21:12 - Apr 1 by Boundy |
We're not obliged to consider claims of individuals who enter the country illegally.Its not a competition so I wouldn't be so concerned if we're not top of the table . |
Yes we are. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 06:22 - Apr 2 with 761 views | Scotia |
| Why can't the UK on 23:07 - Apr 1 by max936 |
We're a tiny Country and we are full, we can't take anymore and we need to ship most back, they are building blocks and blocks of Chalet type accommodation in Cardiff, to house them whose paying for all that?, whilst we got thousands of our own people sleeping on the streets, you'll have some excuse not doubt.
Hows the fight against pollution and other environmental issues going??? |
We're full of legal migrants and not just refugees, but people we need to have in the country for various reasons so invited to come here. Legal migration pressure far outstrips asylum seekers and needs to be sorted.
The modular houses in Cardiff are being built for those in most need. Not only immigrants, some will go there but it's not for that purpose.
I noticed Tipping Point shared a Vlog about this a few days ago. The dullards referred to it as Greentown or something, becasue they couldn't understand the bloke who made the video's Caaaaardiff accent.
Then this happens.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/people-living-one-wales-biggest-28 [Post edited 2 Apr 8:37]
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| Why can't the UK on 08:34 - Apr 2 with 698 views | Scotia |
| Why can't the UK on 16:21 - Apr 1 by max936 |
A lot if not all Chinese/Indian takeaways are cash only, unless they run restaurants its all cash. |
Every business should be obligated to accept card payments. It would giver the conspiracy nutjobs somehting else to complain about as well as reducing fraud. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 09:09 - Apr 2 with 684 views | Boundy |
| Why can't the UK on 23:34 - Apr 1 by Kilkennyjack |
Labour doing a much better job ..
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What ? a government doing what they ought to be doing in the first place , perhaps before gloating try looking into the back story . | |
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| Why can't the UK on 09:12 - Apr 2 with 682 views | Boundy |
| Why can't the UK on 06:17 - Apr 2 by Scotia |
Yes we are. |
Why are we ? and if so how is the Republic of Ireland allowed to return them to the UK on the same day ? | |
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| Why can't the UK on 09:32 - Apr 2 with 675 views | raynor94 |
| Why can't the UK on 08:34 - Apr 2 by Scotia |
Every business should be obligated to accept card payments. It would giver the conspiracy nutjobs somehting else to complain about as well as reducing fraud. |
Cash should always be an option, I think far to many get into debt these days with the tapping of cards or phones. |  |
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| Why can't the UK on 10:54 - Apr 2 with 629 views | Scotia |
| Why can't the UK on 09:12 - Apr 2 by Boundy |
Why are we ? and if so how is the Republic of Ireland allowed to return them to the UK on the same day ? |
We are bound by Article 31 of the UN Refugee convention. The Tories tried to introduce legislation that would overide this, it would come in to place after the general election. Of course this couldn't happen because we are bound by the UN Refugee convention. They were told this by the Law Society and others but it sounded great in a manifesto.
They're not returning them, they're stopping them entering, we could do that but we have no land borders. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 11:10 - Apr 2 with 614 views | mangohilljack |
| Why can't the UK on 23:34 - Apr 1 by Kilkennyjack |
Labour doing a much better job ..
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Absolute nonsense. As already pointed out, these were largely voluntary remigration statistics.
And even if the numbers were accurate, why wait until the sh@t has hit the fan before releasing them? Yet another pack of lies from Liebour. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 12:11 - Apr 2 with 588 views | controversial_jack |
| Why can't the UK on 11:10 - Apr 2 by mangohilljack |
Absolute nonsense. As already pointed out, these were largely voluntary remigration statistics.
And even if the numbers were accurate, why wait until the sh@t has hit the fan before releasing them? Yet another pack of lies from Liebour. |
The figures are from the home office not Labour | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 13:24 - Apr 2 with 564 views | Boundy |
| Why can't the UK on 10:54 - Apr 2 by Scotia |
We are bound by Article 31 of the UN Refugee convention. The Tories tried to introduce legislation that would overide this, it would come in to place after the general election. Of course this couldn't happen because we are bound by the UN Refugee convention. They were told this by the Law Society and others but it sounded great in a manifesto.
They're not returning them, they're stopping them entering, we could do that but we have no land borders. |
So is the Republic,so I'll ask again | |
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| Why can't the UK on 14:03 - Apr 2 with 547 views | Scotia |
| Why can't the UK on 13:24 - Apr 2 by Boundy |
So is the Republic,so I'll ask again |
Where do we return them too? | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 14:19 - Apr 2 with 540 views | Boundy |
| Why can't the UK on 14:03 - Apr 2 by Scotia |
Where do we return them too? |
Back to where they left | |
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| Why can't the UK on 14:23 - Apr 2 with 536 views | Scotia |
| Why can't the UK on 14:19 - Apr 2 by Boundy |
Back to where they left |
The sea? | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 21:12 - Apr 2 with 455 views | max936 |
| Why can't the UK on 14:03 - Apr 2 by Scotia |
Where do we return them too? |
How about back to where they came from, not hard is it 
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| Why can't the UK on 22:43 - Apr 2 with 402 views | Boundy |
| Why can't the UK on 21:12 - Apr 2 by max936 |
How about back to where they came from, not hard is it
Another quiet day in the office, was it ?? |
It appears to me that certain posters are quite happy to see the decline in this country,perhaps they should take a look at how Sweden are doing or indeed Ireland where complete communities are becoming the minority in their own country. | |
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| Why can't the UK on 23:09 - Apr 2 with 399 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Why can't the UK on 22:43 - Apr 2 by Boundy |
It appears to me that certain posters are quite happy to see the decline in this country,perhaps they should take a look at how Sweden are doing or indeed Ireland where complete communities are becoming the minority in their own country. |
If all the boat people were returned to France when recovered the problem for UK would end. Migrants do not want to pay €1000s more than once and the smugglers want to make money.
France need to be persuaded worth cash for migrant facilities. Europe needs UK now. I sense France is half hearted in stopping migrants. Turkiye who gave a to it gh police force stopped migrants leaving Anatolia to a trickle after Merkel hand over €4 billion after the child was washed up on a beach.
The policy of dispersal ins a scheme to disguise the scale of the problem.
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| Why can't the UK on 05:22 - Apr 3 with 337 views | AnotherJohn |
| Why can't the UK on 10:54 - Apr 2 by Scotia |
We are bound by Article 31 of the UN Refugee convention. The Tories tried to introduce legislation that would overide this, it would come in to place after the general election. Of course this couldn't happen because we are bound by the UN Refugee convention. They were told this by the Law Society and others but it sounded great in a manifesto.
They're not returning them, they're stopping them entering, we could do that but we have no land borders. |
It isn't really A31 that stops returns. A31 is the article that requires a nation signing up to the Convention to refrain from penalising for illegal entry persons who meet the criteria for refugee status set out in A1. A31 is controversial because the original wording specifies that non-penalisation applies only to persons "who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence." However, over the years human rights lawyers have persuaded courts to water this down by allowing various exceptions to the requirement to come directly from a country where persecution is likely.
The more direct reason why it is hard for the UK to do returns is A33, which prohibits refoulement, meaning return to a country where persecution is likely. One would have thought this would not apply to France - so the obstacle is more to do with politics than the provisions of the 1951 Convention.
Incidentally it is worth reading the original Convention text to see how dated some of the language is. What struck me is that the list of conditions that cause the Convention to cease to apply (A1.C), such as the origin country becoming safe, or the person granted asylum being able to safely return to that country (as appears to happen with some holidays), would apply to many of people granted international protection by the UK. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 05:42 - Apr 3 with 330 views | Scotia |
| Why can't the UK on 21:12 - Apr 2 by max936 |
How about back to where they came from, not hard is it
Another quiet day in the office, was it ?? |
It's not just hard, it's illegal. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 05:45 - Apr 3 with 327 views | Scotia |
| Why can't the UK on 22:43 - Apr 2 by Boundy |
It appears to me that certain posters are quite happy to see the decline in this country,perhaps they should take a look at how Sweden are doing or indeed Ireland where complete communities are becoming the minority in their own country. |
I'm not happy about it, it's totally unsustainable.
You can't solve a problem if you don't understand it. Sending them back to France won't work at present and is very unlikely to work while there are thousands of migrants in France wanting to come here.
We don't want them and neither does anyone else. | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 09:51 - Apr 3 with 291 views | johnlangy |
| Why can't the UK on 22:49 - Mar 30 by johnlangy |
When people cross the channel and claim asylum and their claims are processed we find that about 60% are valid claims and 40% aren't. But the 40% still come presumably because they know they'll end up being in the UK for years before anything happens and they'll probably just disappear under the radar anyway and end up washing cars or whatever.
The government say they've recruited a large number of extra people to process the backlog. What if they decided they were going to use all the new processors to work on the claims of the small boat people as soon as they cross the channel. And those people would be detained, unable to go anywhere while their claim is processed. And the failed asylum seekers would be deported immediately.
This would mean that the 40% would KNOW they will be refused and would KNOW that they would be paying £3/4/5000 for nothing. That they would be deported back to where they came from and would not be allowed to stay.
If that was to happen would they simply decide not to come in the first place.
And if they did decide not to come then the 50,000 or so each year drops immediately to 30,000.
Can anyone explain any logic problems with that idea ?
So surely they would not come because there'd be no point. |
No one responded to this thought. Is that because you all thought it was a stupid idea ? That it wouldn't work ? | | | |
| Why can't the UK on 10:48 - Apr 3 with 257 views | AnotherJohn |
| Why can't the UK on 09:51 - Apr 3 by johnlangy |
No one responded to this thought. Is that because you all thought it was a stupid idea ? That it wouldn't work ? |
Processing claims more quickly would obviously help, but three thoughts about yuor earlier post come to mind.
1. The idea that 60% of asylum claims are valid is questionable. That is the rough % approved, but there is evidence that our officials are more lenient than officials in several other European countries and there are cases where claims rejected elsewhere are accepted here. Beyond that, it is said that the recent attempt to clear the processing backlog effectively means waving cases through without in-depth one-to-one interviews. I'd say the % who really meet the A1 criteria from the 1951 Convention is a lot lower than 60%.
2. One obstacle to early returns of rejected applicants is that they may come from a country that will not accept returns. We don't seem to be as tough as say the USA in arm-twisting (via reducing visa rights or cutting aid) to get countries to take migrants back, even though the government has made some progress on this.
3. Even where a route to return is possible and a country seems safe, many failed asylum seekers will start legal appeals (at tax payers' expense), which have to be heard. The refugee charities maintain that some persons face persecution even in a country that is generally safe, and that is one line of argument that is successful in many cases (e.g. the applicant may claim to have converted to Christianity, to have criticised the home country government, or to be gay). Another is to claim the right of a family life under the notoriously Article 8 of the ECHR, which seems to have stretched to cover all kinds of things from family food preferences to non-availability of necessary medical treatment for family members in the origin country. Until we are able to limit the ability of courts to stretch the meaning of A8, or exit the ECHR entirely, that third obstacle seems a big problem.
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| Why can't the UK on 12:00 - Apr 3 with 221 views | Scotia |
| Why can't the UK on 09:51 - Apr 3 by johnlangy |
No one responded to this thought. Is that because you all thought it was a stupid idea ? That it wouldn't work ? |
It would work in theory but we don't have the people to accurately process the claims as quickly as this would need and the UN states asylum seekers should not be detained while their claim is decided but I don't think this is a legal requirement.
In reality we don't have anywhere near the accomadation required to keep those claiming asylum and those whose claims have been rejected and are waiting to be deported. | | | |
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