| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? 23:00 - Apr 9 with 5874 views | KeithHaynes |
Personally, he’s a long way to go to be anything near a Championship striker who will score doubke figures goals or even earn the club a big fee. Will that change ? |  |
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| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 00:00 - Apr 13 with 1553 views | RichardO |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 23:56 - Apr 12 by Whiterockin |
We can use any tall player to defend set plays, we need a forward to be a goalscorer. |
Yes but who fits that tall criteria, what has happened to Ginnelly? |  | | |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 00:06 - Apr 13 with 1531 views | Whiterockin |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 00:00 - Apr 13 by RichardO |
Yes but who fits that tall criteria, what has happened to Ginnelly? |
Ginnelly is either making a very slow recovery from injury or deemed not good enough, I'm edging towards the later. We still need a decent forward Vipotnik is not the answer. |  | | |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 00:14 - Apr 13 with 1511 views | RichardO |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 00:06 - Apr 13 by Whiterockin |
Ginnelly is either making a very slow recovery from injury or deemed not good enough, I'm edging towards the later. We still need a decent forward Vipotnik is not the answer. |
Think it is a little premature to write off Ginnelly and at the moment Vipotnik does not offer enough attacking with his poor anticipation although he had drawn defenders away to the near post to allow for O'Brien's headed goal but today he served a defensive purpose and there weren't many clearances looking for Vipotnik as an outlet. | | | |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 00:20 - Apr 13 with 1483 views | Whiterockin |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 00:14 - Apr 13 by RichardO |
Think it is a little premature to write off Ginnelly and at the moment Vipotnik does not offer enough attacking with his poor anticipation although he had drawn defenders away to the near post to allow for O'Brien's headed goal but today he served a defensive purpose and there weren't many clearances looking for Vipotnik as an outlet. |
He didn't draw defenders away and he was in the centre of the goal he just failed to pull off the defender the goal would have been his if he was a decent forward. As for me writing of Ginnelly I would say it's the coaching staff who probably know best. [Post edited 13 Apr 0:21]
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| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 00:30 - Apr 13 with 1455 views | RichardO |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 00:20 - Apr 13 by Whiterockin |
He didn't draw defenders away and he was in the centre of the goal he just failed to pull off the defender the goal would have been his if he was a decent forward. As for me writing of Ginnelly I would say it's the coaching staff who probably know best. [Post edited 13 Apr 0:21]
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Agree he didn't intentionally draw the defenders away but totally disagree he was in the centre of the goal even go as far as saying he was in front of the front post being totally out of position. Suggest youlook at the highlights of the Plymouth game again. | | | |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 07:08 - Apr 13 with 1386 views | jack247 |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 22:36 - Apr 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You probably told us Gyorkeres was useless as well.? He has only just turned 23. Fans argue "how were we supposed to know?" (about big Vic).
It is not about blame and hard evidence but gut feeling experience and wisdom. The goal v Leeds was exceptional but when people view things for the opposition point of view it was a goalkeeping error. No it was a top finish.
Some European teams already see the potential and have registered interest. |
Yet again, you are falling into the trap of convincing yourself that because Gyokores failed here then exploded, that’s par for the course. It really isn’t. Most strikers that struggle in the championship don’t go on to become 8 figure players.
You’d have to watch Vipotnik for a few full games. It’s not what he does, some of that he does very well. It’s what he should do but doesn’t that will never make it onto the highlights packages.
He’s certainly a workhorse and a willing runner, he just doesn’t anticipate play very well and consequently doesn’t get on the end of chances. He’s also not much use with his head for a man of his physique. Play it into his chest, when he’s got a bit more time, and he’ll hold defenders off, take it down and lay it off very well.
He may have potential, but he won’t realise it unless he learns to anticipate play and react to it. I’m not sure if that’s coachable or innate. | | | |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 08:06 - Apr 13 with 1362 views | RichardO |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 07:08 - Apr 13 by jack247 |
Yet again, you are falling into the trap of convincing yourself that because Gyokores failed here then exploded, that’s par for the course. It really isn’t. Most strikers that struggle in the championship don’t go on to become 8 figure players.
You’d have to watch Vipotnik for a few full games. It’s not what he does, some of that he does very well. It’s what he should do but doesn’t that will never make it onto the highlights packages.
He’s certainly a workhorse and a willing runner, he just doesn’t anticipate play very well and consequently doesn’t get on the end of chances. He’s also not much use with his head for a man of his physique. Play it into his chest, when he’s got a bit more time, and he’ll hold defenders off, take it down and lay it off very well.
He may have potential, but he won’t realise it unless he learns to anticipate play and react to it. I’m not sure if that’s coachable or innate. |
Have to agree with your second, third and fourth paragraphs as an assessment on where Vipotnik is at the moment.
There are one or two players who at times aren't up to speed but the small things seem to be falling into shape, slowly getting rid of the bad habits that have been learnt to be used to our cost under previous managers. It does help having O'Brien in the middle of the park surprising what a couple of forward steps into space while in possession and then quick passing forward, can change the dynamic of the team forcing the opposition onto the back foot, it is not all about O'Brien as we have seen improvements in play all over the pitch at times but he certainly helps. | | | |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 08:50 - Apr 13 with 1334 views | RichardO |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 00:06 - Apr 13 by Whiterockin |
Ginnelly is either making a very slow recovery from injury or deemed not good enough, I'm edging towards the later. We still need a decent forward Vipotnik is not the answer. |
In a previous post in a Leeds thread for reply to Ginnelly return I said he came on to maintain a viable threat against Watford but that was wrong it was the Blackburn game, in which we were already well on our way to winning, the Watford game was lost away from home. He did come on against Watford but cannot remember him having any impact on that game as we tried to turn the game around.
I think there is a good player in Ginnelly even though I was not convinced even with his wonder goal before his original injury last season but at the moment he doesn't seem to be a fit for the squad since Allen's return, Delacroix was missing as well which I find a little strange unless he is injured? | | | |
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| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 15:01 - Apr 13 with 1178 views | max936 |
I posted on first page that is anticipation is poor and is hesitant in his movement with and without the ball, he works hard and a willing runner and when he's got time on the ball he can hit the ball very well and score, instinctive he's not and nobody can teach him that or the other attributes I and others have mentioned.
We need and can get a better striker. [Post edited 13 Apr 17:49]
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| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 17:05 - Apr 13 with 1143 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 07:08 - Apr 13 by jack247 |
Yet again, you are falling into the trap of convincing yourself that because Gyokores failed here then exploded, that’s par for the course. It really isn’t. Most strikers that struggle in the championship don’t go on to become 8 figure players.
You’d have to watch Vipotnik for a few full games. It’s not what he does, some of that he does very well. It’s what he should do but doesn’t that will never make it onto the highlights packages.
He’s certainly a workhorse and a willing runner, he just doesn’t anticipate play very well and consequently doesn’t get on the end of chances. He’s also not much use with his head for a man of his physique. Play it into his chest, when he’s got a bit more time, and he’ll hold defenders off, take it down and lay it off very well.
He may have potential, but he won’t realise it unless he learns to anticipate play and react to it. I’m not sure if that’s coachable or innate. |
Why have coaches? The game is full of raw talent. Some nake it some do not. Vipotnik has the tools and could be one a great asset. There are no locals anywhere near him anywhere in Wales
Cullen a local player has been cut a massive amount of slack and opted out of a header again on Saturday. This is a player that does not want to get hurt and will decline heading the ball as he did at Sunderland.
Vipotnik is better than Cullen now and three years younger.
Coaches if they are any good will him prove the issues posters have highlighted.. He is in his first year in UK and needs time to adapt. Trundle is on the staff and can work with him. |  |
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| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 18:02 - Apr 13 with 1118 views | KeithHaynes |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 15:01 - Apr 13 by max936 |
I posted on first page that is anticipation is poor and is hesitant in his movement with and without the ball, he works hard and a willing runner and when he's got time on the ball he can hit the ball very well and score, instinctive he's not and nobody can teach him that or the other attributes I and others have mentioned.
We need and can get a better striker. [Post edited 13 Apr 17:49]
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He’s a yard short almost every time as is Cullen recently. We don’t have an impressive strike force at all. | |
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| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 18:10 - Apr 13 with 1110 views | jack247 |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 17:05 - Apr 13 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Why have coaches? The game is full of raw talent. Some nake it some do not. Vipotnik has the tools and could be one a great asset. There are no locals anywhere near him anywhere in Wales
Cullen a local player has been cut a massive amount of slack and opted out of a header again on Saturday. This is a player that does not want to get hurt and will decline heading the ball as he did at Sunderland.
Vipotnik is better than Cullen now and three years younger.
Coaches if they are any good will him prove the issues posters have highlighted.. He is in his first year in UK and needs time to adapt. Trundle is on the staff and can work with him. |
As I said earlier, you won’t see this unless you watch games in full. His weakness are fairly obvious and have been apparent all season. Coaching hasn’t improved his anticipation or reading of play.
He may be more effective abroad in a slower paced league.
Cullen is a different type of player and not relevant to how well Vipotnik is doing. | | | |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 18:15 - Apr 13 with 1102 views | Whiterockin |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 18:10 - Apr 13 by jack247 |
As I said earlier, you won’t see this unless you watch games in full. His weakness are fairly obvious and have been apparent all season. Coaching hasn’t improved his anticipation or reading of play.
He may be more effective abroad in a slower paced league.
Cullen is a different type of player and not relevant to how well Vipotnik is doing. |
Nor is Trundle, having him mentor a big out and out number 9 is just absurd. | | | |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 21:02 - Apr 13 with 1058 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 18:10 - Apr 13 by jack247 |
As I said earlier, you won’t see this unless you watch games in full. His weakness are fairly obvious and have been apparent all season. Coaching hasn’t improved his anticipation or reading of play.
He may be more effective abroad in a slower paced league.
Cullen is a different type of player and not relevant to how well Vipotnik is doing. |
The issue was about patience and development not playing style. "Culls " is not very good as a centre forward and does not like heading the ball. Coaches must know this.
Key put in a peach of a cross for a diving header like Michu scored at Newcastle. Cullen declined it went in with his feet and was a yard short as usual.
Cullen was cut slack. Gyorkeres was not Kuharevych was not a Yates was not and now Vipotnik is getting it.
You have to give potential development time and intense coaching. Swansea cannot but £10m footballers off the shelf and must develop them. ,Cullen is improving very slowly but may have peaked. At 26 he still is not established and changing positions. | |
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| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 22:27 - Apr 13 with 1000 views | max936 |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 18:15 - Apr 13 by Whiterockin |
Nor is Trundle, having him mentor a big out and out number 9 is just absurd. |
Trundle was a unique talent and wasn't really a striker, he could play anywhere across the back three, he couldn't coach another player to do what he did, he was everything Vipotnik isn't and nor his Cullen, Trundle wasn't great with his head either and the suggestion by the usual one that Cullen ducks out of heading the ball is laughable and clueless as per usual.
We need better than both of them, that said I'd back Cullen to score more than Vipotnik every season he's more instinctive and anticipative than Vipotnik. [Post edited 13 Apr 22:28]
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| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 06:06 - Apr 14 with 932 views | jack247 |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 21:02 - Apr 13 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The issue was about patience and development not playing style. "Culls " is not very good as a centre forward and does not like heading the ball. Coaches must know this.
Key put in a peach of a cross for a diving header like Michu scored at Newcastle. Cullen declined it went in with his feet and was a yard short as usual.
Cullen was cut slack. Gyorkeres was not Kuharevych was not a Yates was not and now Vipotnik is getting it.
You have to give potential development time and intense coaching. Swansea cannot but £10m footballers off the shelf and must develop them. ,Cullen is improving very slowly but may have peaked. At 26 he still is not established and changing positions. |
You’re confusing age with experience. Vipotnik has around 150 first team appearances, Cullen around 170 including international for both.
The other thing you’re missing is those chances Cullen ducks out of heading and attacks with his feet, Vipotnik isn’t there for. You won’t see it on a highlights reel, because a cross going across the box and no-one attacking it won’t make the cut. It’s clear as day live.
Cullen shouldn’t be leading our line either. He’s a clever player who finds pockets of space vacated by defenders chading the striker. When he’s the sole striker, he’s not very effective.
He probably wouldn’t still be here if Yates and Kukharevych were up to it. | | | |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 11:50 - Apr 14 with 848 views | KeithHaynes |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 06:06 - Apr 14 by jack247 |
You’re confusing age with experience. Vipotnik has around 150 first team appearances, Cullen around 170 including international for both.
The other thing you’re missing is those chances Cullen ducks out of heading and attacks with his feet, Vipotnik isn’t there for. You won’t see it on a highlights reel, because a cross going across the box and no-one attacking it won’t make the cut. It’s clear as day live.
Cullen shouldn’t be leading our line either. He’s a clever player who finds pockets of space vacated by defenders chading the striker. When he’s the sole striker, he’s not very effective.
He probably wouldn’t still be here if Yates and Kukharevych were up to it. |
Cullen definitely operates better with a ‘foil’ someone to take attention away from him, but we are desperate for a new striker. | |
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| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 14:32 - Apr 14 with 773 views | jack247 |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 11:50 - Apr 14 by KeithHaynes |
Cullen definitely operates better with a ‘foil’ someone to take attention away from him, but we are desperate for a new striker. |
Lot of work to be done there. As it stands, we’ll have four strikers on the books at the start of next season and you probably wouldn’t want any of them as our main man. That’s without including Wilson and Thomas.
No need to add the link, I know we’re trying to move Kukharevych and Yates on  | | | |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 21:02 - Apr 14 with 688 views | sons_of_omri |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 14:32 - Apr 14 by jack247 |
Lot of work to be done there. As it stands, we’ll have four strikers on the books at the start of next season and you probably wouldn’t want any of them as our main man. That’s without including Wilson and Thomas.
No need to add the link, I know we’re trying to move Kukharevych and Yates on |
All 4 have the right to a fresh start and with our midfield next season with Widell who knows?
We are a completely different proposition to what we were even 8 weeks ago. | | | |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 21:49 - Apr 14 with 645 views | max936 |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 21:02 - Apr 14 by sons_of_omri |
All 4 have the right to a fresh start and with our midfield next season with Widell who knows?
We are a completely different proposition to what we were even 8 weeks ago. |
Widell is totally unknown to 95% or more of us, its gonna take him a while to get up to speed with Championship football, I doubt that he would have experienced anything like the Championship so far in his career.
There's a few fans hanging their hats on him, I hope they don't end up disappointed. | |
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| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 22:04 - Apr 14 with 626 views | Whiterockin |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 21:02 - Apr 14 by sons_of_omri |
All 4 have the right to a fresh start and with our midfield next season with Widell who knows?
We are a completely different proposition to what we were even 8 weeks ago. |
Are you expecting Widell to be better than O'brien, I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it. Vipotnik hasn't delivered under Sheehan, how much time does he need. I expect Kuharevich and Yates to be gone before the season starts. I expect the priority next season will be upgrading the forward options, don't be surprised to see Wilson on the fringes. | | | |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 22:07 - Apr 14 with 616 views | Fireboy2 |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 22:04 - Apr 14 by Whiterockin |
Are you expecting Widell to be better than O'brien, I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it. Vipotnik hasn't delivered under Sheehan, how much time does he need. I expect Kuharevich and Yates to be gone before the season starts. I expect the priority next season will be upgrading the forward options, don't be surprised to see Wilson on the fringes. |
I'm sure if sheehan gets the gig he will want at least one striker, will he get what he knows we need? |  | | |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 22:09 - Apr 14 with 605 views | Whiterockin |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 22:07 - Apr 14 by Fireboy2 |
I'm sure if sheehan gets the gig he will want at least one striker, will he get what he knows we need? |
I really believe we have two coming in. | | | |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 05:59 - Apr 15 with 499 views | jack247 |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 21:02 - Apr 14 by sons_of_omri |
All 4 have the right to a fresh start and with our midfield next season with Widell who knows?
We are a completely different proposition to what we were even 8 weeks ago. |
Our strikers aren’t a different proposition to where they were eight weeks ago, despite a better midfield behind them.
Vipotnik had two games (Blackburn and Middlesbrough) where he looked like he’d turned a corner. Now he’s back to where he was before. Cullen needs to be in a two or an attacking midfielder. Up front on his own he’s ineffective.
I haven’t followed the other two, but neither of them have been particularly prolific.
I don’t know much about Widdell, but if he’s a creative midfielder, he’s going to benefit Cullen and Yates the most. Strikers have to be alert and make clever runs for that kind of player to pick them out. | | | |
| Thoughts on Vipotnik tonight ? on 09:20 - Apr 15 with 424 views | onehunglow |
We've basically been signing duds for strikers or have simply issued them
Had we had strikers worthy of the name we would be top six , easily
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