| question about marti's contract 11:18 - May 1 with 2256 views | qprbenjamin163 |
Hello, thought I'd try here for some sensible answers!
I don't understand why we have put Marti on gardening leave. I'm reading vague things about only receiving compensation if we do that but that's at odds with my understanding of how a contract works.
Why doesn't he simply stay our manager until such a time as a club comes in a compensation offer we can't refuse? That's how I've always understood a contract to work. You're ours for the period of the contract or until somebody compensates us enough that we want to let you go.
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| question about marti's contract on 11:30 - May 1 with 2201 views | daveB |
Well you are bang on he should just stay as our manager until someone comes in for him and if no one does you just agree to part ways if thats the way we want to go
I'm guessing that the club felt that he was about to join West Brom and in that scenario you don't want him in the building tapping your players up especially ones you are in talks for a new contract which is understandable
I think the real reason is they are managing the fall out of a popular manager going and it's like putting your kid on the naughty spot and shining a light look everyone he's been a naughty boy, that helps get fans and possibly players thinking oh hes just a prat who doesn't want to be here and I'm not going to get upset now he's gone. Onto the next one which has worked with a lot of people.
The disaster part is that he's now not getting the West Brom job or likely any other job imminently so we've thrown the manager under the bus partly to protect compensation that we won't be getting now anyway and now stuck with a worst case scneario of looking for a new manager whilst still paying the current one who can sit back and do nothing for 2 years until another club come in for him |  | | |
| question about marti's contract on 11:40 - May 1 with 2140 views | qprbenjamin163 |
| question about marti's contract on 11:30 - May 1 by daveB |
Well you are bang on he should just stay as our manager until someone comes in for him and if no one does you just agree to part ways if thats the way we want to go
I'm guessing that the club felt that he was about to join West Brom and in that scenario you don't want him in the building tapping your players up especially ones you are in talks for a new contract which is understandable
I think the real reason is they are managing the fall out of a popular manager going and it's like putting your kid on the naughty spot and shining a light look everyone he's been a naughty boy, that helps get fans and possibly players thinking oh hes just a prat who doesn't want to be here and I'm not going to get upset now he's gone. Onto the next one which has worked with a lot of people.
The disaster part is that he's now not getting the West Brom job or likely any other job imminently so we've thrown the manager under the bus partly to protect compensation that we won't be getting now anyway and now stuck with a worst case scneario of looking for a new manager whilst still paying the current one who can sit back and do nothing for 2 years until another club come in for him |
thanks for this.
Wow if that's the case that's absolutely mental.
I totally understand putting a manager on gardening leave who has signed a contract on a new job in the future but that clearly wasn't anywhere near the case.
Sounds like we've put Marti on gardening leave because we're annoyed he's deigned to talk to someone else which is at best naive and at worst absolutely pathetic. Noury throwing his toys out of the pram and really showing his inexperience. I'd love to get some more info on this, feels quite an important point to get clarity on | | | |
| question about marti's contract on 12:50 - May 1 with 1939 views | Faurlinho |
@simplynico is your man for this.. | | | |
| question about marti's contract on 14:56 - May 1 with 1610 views | Boston |
Well OP, if you happen to be a US resident, let me explain in American terminology.
It's all about the Benjamins, Benjamin. | |
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| question about marti's contract on 15:14 - May 1 with 1517 views | Lanhoop |
| question about marti's contract on 11:30 - May 1 by daveB |
Well you are bang on he should just stay as our manager until someone comes in for him and if no one does you just agree to part ways if thats the way we want to go
I'm guessing that the club felt that he was about to join West Brom and in that scenario you don't want him in the building tapping your players up especially ones you are in talks for a new contract which is understandable
I think the real reason is they are managing the fall out of a popular manager going and it's like putting your kid on the naughty spot and shining a light look everyone he's been a naughty boy, that helps get fans and possibly players thinking oh hes just a prat who doesn't want to be here and I'm not going to get upset now he's gone. Onto the next one which has worked with a lot of people.
The disaster part is that he's now not getting the West Brom job or likely any other job imminently so we've thrown the manager under the bus partly to protect compensation that we won't be getting now anyway and now stuck with a worst case scneario of looking for a new manager whilst still paying the current one who can sit back and do nothing for 2 years until another club come in for him |
Just to provide another possible perspective.
Until WBA hire someone else, the 'not getting the West Brom job' is just journalist gossip. Hinting that he's not on their shortlist could just be WBA positioning themselves for compensation negotiations (which you'd assume Marti's new contract made quite onerous).
Maybe, just maybe, the reason QPR put him on gardening leave was because he asked for permission to talk to other clubs as he's probably contracted to do. Telling him to stay at home would then be a perfectly normal and correct thing to do. | | | |
| question about marti's contract on 15:18 - May 1 with 1493 views | johncharles |
| question about marti's contract on 11:30 - May 1 by daveB |
Well you are bang on he should just stay as our manager until someone comes in for him and if no one does you just agree to part ways if thats the way we want to go
I'm guessing that the club felt that he was about to join West Brom and in that scenario you don't want him in the building tapping your players up especially ones you are in talks for a new contract which is understandable
I think the real reason is they are managing the fall out of a popular manager going and it's like putting your kid on the naughty spot and shining a light look everyone he's been a naughty boy, that helps get fans and possibly players thinking oh hes just a prat who doesn't want to be here and I'm not going to get upset now he's gone. Onto the next one which has worked with a lot of people.
The disaster part is that he's now not getting the West Brom job or likely any other job imminently so we've thrown the manager under the bus partly to protect compensation that we won't be getting now anyway and now stuck with a worst case scneario of looking for a new manager whilst still paying the current one who can sit back and do nothing for 2 years until another club come in for him |
A less generous interpretation would be that the club made up the story about WBA (WBA) deny the whole thing) to avoid paying up his contract (NOT compensation) if they sacked him. Either way they’ve made a hash of it.Could he now claim Constructive Dismissal having made his position untenable ? |  |
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| question about marti's contract on 16:02 - May 1 with 1388 views | Maggsinho |
| question about marti's contract on 15:18 - May 1 by johncharles |
A less generous interpretation would be that the club made up the story about WBA (WBA) deny the whole thing) to avoid paying up his contract (NOT compensation) if they sacked him. Either way they’ve made a hash of it.Could he now claim Constructive Dismissal having made his position untenable ? |
He can't claim constructive dismissal as he's not been in the job long enough |  | | |
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| question about marti's contract on 16:09 - May 1 with 1339 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| question about marti's contract on 16:02 - May 1 by Maggsinho |
He can't claim constructive dismissal as he's not been in the job long enough |
Quite amazing how this week in the QPR / LFW soap opera we've expertly debated public limited company boardroom constitutions, the weighting of votes down to individuals around a varnished walnut table and extensive UK employment law loopholes. Every now and then a game of football breaks out. And it's usually shite.
What do fans of other teams talk about of their forums? Full backs, offsides and what exactly is the meat in a 'meat pie'? I can only imagine... |  | | |
| question about marti's contract on 17:46 - May 1 with 1146 views | DavieQPR |
| question about marti's contract on 16:02 - May 1 by Maggsinho |
He can't claim constructive dismissal as he's not been in the job long enough |
Gardening leave clauses are usually in the contract he signed. Could be up to 6 months. Anything more could be legally deemed excessive. |  | | |
| question about marti's contract on 17:59 - May 1 with 1074 views | lassel |
As posted on the other thread, long story short it’s PR management at this point.
We *should* have acted like grown ups and gone ahead with the pre-written ‘mutual’ parting statement. However MC is popular and it wouldn’t reflect well on CN, especially when MC made clear it was an acrimonious parting.
Instead we have gone nuclear in besmirching Cifuentes as disloyal and actually not really all that good in the first place. It helps CN at the expense of making the club look like a basketcase……again…
Best case scenario is MC agrees to forego the payoff he is due. Reality is he will dig in and we will pay him up shortly so we can get on with replacing him. | | | |
| question about marti's contract on 18:32 - May 1 with 960 views | dmm |
| question about marti's contract on 17:59 - May 1 by lassel |
As posted on the other thread, long story short it’s PR management at this point.
We *should* have acted like grown ups and gone ahead with the pre-written ‘mutual’ parting statement. However MC is popular and it wouldn’t reflect well on CN, especially when MC made clear it was an acrimonious parting.
Instead we have gone nuclear in besmirching Cifuentes as disloyal and actually not really all that good in the first place. It helps CN at the expense of making the club look like a basketcase……again…
Best case scenario is MC agrees to forego the payoff he is due. Reality is he will dig in and we will pay him up shortly so we can get on with replacing him. |
Should that happen I assume there'd be no compensation from whichever clubs he ends up at? |  | | |
| question about marti's contract on 18:35 - May 1 with 945 views | thehat |
| question about marti's contract on 16:02 - May 1 by Maggsinho |
He can't claim constructive dismissal as he's not been in the job long enough |
Didn't Labour change those rules - You can now claim unfair dismissal from day one. | | | |
| question about marti's contract on 19:05 - May 1 with 830 views | stainrods_elbow |
| question about marti's contract on 11:40 - May 1 by qprbenjamin163 |
thanks for this.
Wow if that's the case that's absolutely mental.
I totally understand putting a manager on gardening leave who has signed a contract on a new job in the future but that clearly wasn't anywhere near the case.
Sounds like we've put Marti on gardening leave because we're annoyed he's deigned to talk to someone else which is at best naive and at worst absolutely pathetic. Noury throwing his toys out of the pram and really showing his inexperience. I'd love to get some more info on this, feels quite an important point to get clarity on |
Couldn't disagree more. If, and it seems no one is disputing it, Marti licenced his people to talk to WBA while under contract to QPR, he's morally similar to Beale in all but the timeline. I would support Nourry and the club in the action they've taken under such circumstances; in fact, I'd demand it. Contractually, I don't know if it amounts to gross misconduct, but it certainly qualifies as pisstakingly self-centred. And as someone has already pointed out, it might provide some explanation - if not mitigation - for the players' pathetic performance v Burnley. |  |
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| question about marti's contract on 19:08 - May 1 with 816 views | stainrods_elbow |
| question about marti's contract on 15:18 - May 1 by johncharles |
A less generous interpretation would be that the club made up the story about WBA (WBA) deny the whole thing) to avoid paying up his contract (NOT compensation) if they sacked him. Either way they’ve made a hash of it.Could he now claim Constructive Dismissal having made his position untenable ? |
If that's what they did, they're even stupider than people are making out. Surely no CEO would stoop that low and open himself, and his employer, to a constructive dismissal claim - though the story came from a journalist actually, right? However, the main counter-argument is surely that Marti and his agents have not denied it, so it's priobably true. (Unless MC is lying about the club's lies.) | |
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