| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT 10:01 - May 2 with 4487 views | johnlangy |
This possibilty increases by the day. And certainly did last night. But something was said by a Reform person this morning that if they were to become the next government could result in a monumental constitutional crisis.
Imagine at the next GE Reform were to stand on a policy of leaving the ECHR. Then they are elected and produce legislation to that effect. They get it through the House of Commons and it goes to the House of Lords. There is not one Reform peer in the HOL and the vast bulk of the 850 or so peers is made up of Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem etc etc peers who would fight tooth and nail to scupper the plan.
I wonder what the public's reaction would be at seeing the 'establishment' preventing something happening that they had voted for. It is certainly something Reform would try to do and it would be refreshing in an odd sort of way (i'm not a Reform voter) to see a party actually do what they said they would do in their manifesto.
And there's the crisis. You could argue that this would be the best argument for scrapping the HOL all together. Because in this instance many would argue that democracy is broken. Others would say the HOL is part of our democracy.
Then the question is, does democracy belong to the 70 million of us or the 850 of them. |  | | |  |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:21 - May 2 with 1386 views | controversial_jack |
It's a representative democracy not a direct one, so it probably belongs to the 850 as they will make all the laws and rules regardless.
We have to be thankful we don't have a US style system where the president has tremendous powers and can sign executive orders and ignore court rulings. Now that really is scary [Post edited 2 May 10:21]
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:31 - May 2 with 1373 views | Whiterockin |
If the elected government whoever they are, were continually stopped passing laws by the house of lords, it would beginning of the end of the house of lords. |  | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:33 - May 2 with 1365 views | controversial_jack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:31 - May 2 by Whiterockin |
If the elected government whoever they are, were continually stopped passing laws by the house of lords, it would beginning of the end of the house of lords. |
The house of lords doesn't really prevent laws being made, it looks to improve them. The lords can't intervene on defence or finance bills | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:46 - May 2 with 1354 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:33 - May 2 by controversial_jack |
The house of lords doesn't really prevent laws being made, it looks to improve them. The lords can't intervene on defence or finance bills |
The opening post was not defence or finance. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:13 - May 2 with 1318 views | johnlangy |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:33 - May 2 by controversial_jack |
The house of lords doesn't really prevent laws being made, it looks to improve them. The lords can't intervene on defence or finance bills |
True. But they can delay and delay and delay and make life very difficult for the government actually elected by the voters.
Even if they were only doing what the constitution allows them to do the clamour to get rid would build very quickly.
I never really thought it before but this would actually be a positive of a Reform government being elected. That doesn't mean to say I want it to happen. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:15 - May 2 with 1318 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Here's the rub, 900 illegal migrants crossed the channel yesterday, the average housing cost per migrant is now £41,000. Yes £41,000.
So yesterday alone £36 Million pounds will be needed from my tax and your tax to pay for one days migrants. This is without benefits, health, education etc.
The loonies who say we can afford this are crazy. |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 12:18 - May 2 with 1259 views | swan65split |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:15 - May 2 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Here's the rub, 900 illegal migrants crossed the channel yesterday, the average housing cost per migrant is now £41,000. Yes £41,000.
So yesterday alone £36 Million pounds will be needed from my tax and your tax to pay for one days migrants. This is without benefits, health, education etc.
The loonies who say we can afford this are crazy. |
I am not reform, but the majority of people I talk to and know have the same opinion. The top parties really do have to get their act together or its look out! |  | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:00 - May 2 with 1217 views | 1983 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:15 - May 2 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Here's the rub, 900 illegal migrants crossed the channel yesterday, the average housing cost per migrant is now £41,000. Yes £41,000.
So yesterday alone £36 Million pounds will be needed from my tax and your tax to pay for one days migrants. This is without benefits, health, education etc.
The loonies who say we can afford this are crazy. |
Exactly this.
I get up at 04:10am every morning to go to work to pay
my taxes and rely on overtime to give me a decent wage I'm closer to 60yrs old than 50yrs old and will have to do this for at least another 10 years and it boils my plss when I read stuff like this. The Tory & Labour governments are a shambles so why not Reform?? |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:08 - May 2 with 1184 views | controversial_jack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:00 - May 2 by 1983 |
Exactly this.
I get up at 04:10am every morning to go to work to pay
my taxes and rely on overtime to give me a decent wage I'm closer to 60yrs old than 50yrs old and will have to do this for at least another 10 years and it boils my plss when I read stuff like this. The Tory & Labour governments are a shambles so why not Reform?? |
What would reform do.?
So far they have empty words with no costing or plans how to achieve anything | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:36 - May 2 with 1164 views | Boundy |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:08 - May 2 by controversial_jack |
What would reform do.?
So far they have empty words with no costing or plans how to achieve anything |
You do realise they're not in power to do anything , Labour are and have said what they would do , they've costed what they would do by giving our money to outside agencies and still they come. At re you happy in the knowledge that so much money is being lost to those who've paid into the system all their lives and are considered 2nd class when it comes to this invasion. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:46 - May 2 with 1150 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:00 - May 2 by 1983 |
Exactly this.
I get up at 04:10am every morning to go to work to pay
my taxes and rely on overtime to give me a decent wage I'm closer to 60yrs old than 50yrs old and will have to do this for at least another 10 years and it boils my plss when I read stuff like this. The Tory & Labour governments are a shambles so why not Reform?? |
Housing, health and education all need money but our taxes are getting diverted. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:46 - May 2 with 1139 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:36 - May 2 by Boundy |
You do realise they're not in power to do anything , Labour are and have said what they would do , they've costed what they would do by giving our money to outside agencies and still they come. At re you happy in the knowledge that so much money is being lost to those who've paid into the system all their lives and are considered 2nd class when it comes to this invasion. |
Why believe Farage ? 🏴
He promised that Brexit would secure the borders.
No caveats about power, none.
People believed him and voted out.
I remember the famous poster.
As we all know its got worse not better.
Why trust Farage on the same issue again ?
He did not deliver last time.
And he wont deliver next time either, he would rather be in the US than Clacton. |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:50 - May 2 with 1144 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:08 - May 2 by controversial_jack |
What would reform do.?
So far they have empty words with no costing or plans how to achieve anything |
Have a slogan of course, Smash the Gangs and Stop the Boats has not worked so I guess Send them Back? | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:55 - May 2 with 1128 views | Scotia |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:00 - May 2 by 1983 |
Exactly this.
I get up at 04:10am every morning to go to work to pay
my taxes and rely on overtime to give me a decent wage I'm closer to 60yrs old than 50yrs old and will have to do this for at least another 10 years and it boils my plss when I read stuff like this. The Tory & Labour governments are a shambles so why not Reform?? |
Because Reform don't have a sensible plan to deal with either legal or illegal immigration. Or anything else for that matter. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:01 - May 2 with 1115 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:55 - May 2 by Scotia |
Because Reform don't have a sensible plan to deal with either legal or illegal immigration. Or anything else for that matter. |
It doesn't say much for the other parties who seem to be getting blasted out of the water. Much as supporters of the established parties huff and puff, the majority seem to be moving on and there is little they can do about it. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:08 - May 2 with 1096 views | raynor94 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:55 - May 2 by Scotia |
Because Reform don't have a sensible plan to deal with either legal or illegal immigration. Or anything else for that matter. |
Andrea Jenkyns in her acceptance speech said we should put the illegal asylum seekers in tents the same as France, it's a start |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:24 - May 2 with 1083 views | Scotia |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:01 - May 2 by Whiterockin |
It doesn't say much for the other parties who seem to be getting blasted out of the water. Much as supporters of the established parties huff and puff, the majority seem to be moving on and there is little they can do about it. |
But what is Reform's plan? How are they going to stop immigrants getting here?
How is the country going to function with a freeze on non essential immigration? | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:25 - May 2 with 1082 views | Scotia |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:08 - May 2 by raynor94 |
Andrea Jenkyns in her acceptance speech said we should put the illegal asylum seekers in tents the same as France, it's a start |
If she puts immigrants in tents in Lincolnshire she won't serve a second term as mayor. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:36 - May 2 with 1054 views | controversial_jack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:36 - May 2 by Boundy |
You do realise they're not in power to do anything , Labour are and have said what they would do , they've costed what they would do by giving our money to outside agencies and still they come. At re you happy in the knowledge that so much money is being lost to those who've paid into the system all their lives and are considered 2nd class when it comes to this invasion. |
I realise they are not in power, it's hypothetical.
I'm quite happy with Labour so far. I don't agree with everything they are doing, but that's healthy and normal. A definite improvement on the last shower | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:38 - May 2 with 1053 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:01 - May 2 by Whiterockin |
It doesn't say much for the other parties who seem to be getting blasted out of the water. Much as supporters of the established parties huff and puff, the majority seem to be moving on and there is little they can do about it. |
Its nowhere near a majority tbh.
Reform is an English nationalist party ….. so expect it to do well in parts of Tory England.
At least 60% of Welsh voters will vote for progressive parties.
Obviously the split vote scenario is real - Lab, Plaid, Greens, and Libs.
But Wales will have lost its collective mind to enable a majority for Farage. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:40 - May 2 with 1037 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:08 - May 2 by raynor94 |
Andrea Jenkyns in her acceptance speech said we should put the illegal asylum seekers in tents the same as France, it's a start |
Its not a start though cos its not going to happen.
She may as well promise to fire them all to the moon on Elon Musks rockets. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:43 - May 2 with 1042 views | raynor94 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:38 - May 2 by Kilkennyjack |
Its nowhere near a majority tbh.
Reform is an English nationalist party ….. so expect it to do well in parts of Tory England.
At least 60% of Welsh voters will vote for progressive parties.
Obviously the split vote scenario is real - Lab, Plaid, Greens, and Libs.
But Wales will have lost its collective mind to enable a majority for Farage. |
After 25 years of a disastrous Labour government, I can seriously see Wales losing its collective minds | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:44 - May 2 with 1030 views | controversial_jack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:43 - May 2 by raynor94 |
After 25 years of a disastrous Labour government, I can seriously see Wales losing its collective minds |
Do you think reform is the answer? If so could you please explain why and how would they achieve improvements? | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:04 - May 2 with 1012 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
This is the natural reaction to decades of failure from the “establishment” parties. The Tory vote has collapsed and rightly so. The Labour vote is next.
Where do people go when the traditional parties promise the world, promise change, promise strength and stability but only deliver abject failure and chaos?
If anything good can come of this it’ll give them a boot up the arse at least and they start listening to the people they are allegedly representing. |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:04 - May 2 with 1011 views | raynor94 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:44 - May 2 by controversial_jack |
Do you think reform is the answer? If so could you please explain why and how would they achieve improvements? |
I'm not saying reform is the answer, but Welsh Labour are giving them an open goal. | |
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