| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT 10:01 - May 2 with 11340 views | johnlangy |
This possibilty increases by the day. And certainly did last night. But something was said by a Reform person this morning that if they were to become the next government could result in a monumental constitutional crisis.
Imagine at the next GE Reform were to stand on a policy of leaving the ECHR. Then they are elected and produce legislation to that effect. They get it through the House of Commons and it goes to the House of Lords. There is not one Reform peer in the HOL and the vast bulk of the 850 or so peers is made up of Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem etc etc peers who would fight tooth and nail to scupper the plan.
I wonder what the public's reaction would be at seeing the 'establishment' preventing something happening that they had voted for. It is certainly something Reform would try to do and it would be refreshing in an odd sort of way (i'm not a Reform voter) to see a party actually do what they said they would do in their manifesto.
And there's the crisis. You could argue that this would be the best argument for scrapping the HOL all together. Because in this instance many would argue that democracy is broken. Others would say the HOL is part of our democracy.
Then the question is, does democracy belong to the 70 million of us or the 850 of them. |  | | |  |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:33 - May 6 with 1076 views | onehunglow |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:27 - May 6 by Scotia |
No staff working in diversity, means no protection for women becasue they are women. They'll have to fend for themselves.
That's the bottom line. |
Diversity the biggest obsession of modern times
Bottom line is the fact it creates problems we don't need
That's my lot anyway
I'm done on this subject
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:28 - May 6 with 1022 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:19 - May 4 by Scotia |
I don't see how anyone outside of those demographics can vote for Reform if they understand the implications of them getting elected.
Let's be fair a seriously dodgy businessman with links to the Russian state and who wished death on a teenage girl came second in the SW England mayor election polling 10's of thousands of votes. He's not fit to even be a candidate but came close to winning. It's bonkers. [Post edited 4 May 10:20]
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They won’t get elected though. Reform will never win a general election let alone a majority in parliament. It simply won’t happen. So there won’t be any implications.
The upside of this is the two main parties of this country who have had such impunity for so long to do whatever the hell they want to do are getting a massive kicking and at some point will need to start listening to the people they allegedly represent. |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:49 - May 6 with 947 views | onehunglow |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:28 - May 6 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
They won’t get elected though. Reform will never win a general election let alone a majority in parliament. It simply won’t happen. So there won’t be any implications.
The upside of this is the two main parties of this country who have had such impunity for so long to do whatever the hell they want to do are getting a massive kicking and at some point will need to start listening to the people they allegedly represent. |
People are frightened of what lies ahead
Seize what can flee, folks
Death could be around the corner today | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 14:58 - May 6 with 926 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:28 - May 6 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
They won’t get elected though. Reform will never win a general election let alone a majority in parliament. It simply won’t happen. So there won’t be any implications.
The upside of this is the two main parties of this country who have had such impunity for so long to do whatever the hell they want to do are getting a massive kicking and at some point will need to start listening to the people they allegedly represent. |
Correct.
Over 60% vote for progressive parties.
Reform have a noisy 25%, thats about it.
Tories mainly. |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:00 - May 6 with 924 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:19 - May 4 by onehunglow |
Many detest Farage because he's " posh" and a threat to Labour |
Some people remember 1939, so there is that. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:26 - May 6 with 896 views | onehunglow |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:00 - May 6 by Kilkennyjack |
Some people remember 1939, so there is that. |
You've lost me
Maybe they see Farage as supporting OUR military, the ones that allow us to discourse
They must turn in their graves looking at all of us now
Britain includes Wales and Northern Ireland btw
I saw it on someone's passport last week
Ergo, you are British | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:33 - May 6 with 883 views | Boundy |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:00 - May 6 by Kilkennyjack |
Some people remember 1939, so there is that. |
Many do , when the fear of being invaded by foreign nationals bought a nation to kick back and defend their way of life ,not to have to bow down but to stand up and be counted , familiar. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:05 - May 6 with 855 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 08:04 - May 6 by Scotia |
I was referring to explicit claims such as "we will introduce a 20 mph speed limit" or "we will increase Senedd members".
Reform are just exploiting popular fears that are misunderstood - including in your reply - and doing a grand job at laying the blame at migrants. The level of migration is too high and needs to be addressed, but Reforms proposed solutions will destroy the country if implemented.
The diversity policies aren't understood very well. Nobody should be discrimnated against but nobody gets and advantage. I'm an employer, I'm interviewing for several jobs this week, the best candidate will get them. There are no quotas and having employed in excess of 100 people not one has ever not got a job becasue they are white, male or straight. Nobody has been refused a job exclusively on that basis - it's illegal at present but wouldn't be under Reform - that's the irony.
The pint about Farge and his "if you work in diversity - get a new job claim" and the Reform policies is how many women or gay or disabled or OAP's voted for them? They almost certianly don't understand that the employee who has been told to get a new job will be working to help them becasue of their characteristics and not just black, gay , transgender immigrants. Everyone benefits from diversity legislation and implementation at some point.
Similarly with Climate Change issues. How many people in Port Talbot are thinking of voting Reform when the entire future of the area is based on carbon free industry and is likley to see an increase in emplyment from those lost from TaTa?
Climate change staff are also respnsible in many cases for small scale projects that make the area's we live nicer places. Whether that's due to less traffic congestion (queue the anti-ULEZ nutters) or improving city centres - unde rReform policy there would be very little city centre regeneration in Swansea. Castle gardens would remain the mess it is.
Reform are just stoking popular misconceptions and a lack of understanding, they need to be challenged on it.
We absolutely have to have political change but that needs people to grasp what the problems are - the super rich pose more problems and unfairness than migrants, but who are Reform blaming? |
Your last paragraph is very true and deminstrates how lilttle people have learned in over 2000 years. The whole Western world is showing parallels with the Roman empire and the reasons it collapsed. Our politicians need to wake up because they are taking us towards disaster.
Diversity though, there aren't quotas but there is drive to recruit more from ethnic backgrounds, could that lead to favouritism, to an ethnic minority getting the job over a better candidate?
Climate change is an area I am very sceptical about, not because it's not happening because clearly it is but we aren't being told the truth and the super rich manipulate the situation to their advantage. Elon Musk has been forced to back down recently, long may that last. | | | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT (n/t) on 16:26 - May 6 with 836 views | max936 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:19 - May 4 by onehunglow |
Many detest Farage because he's " posh" and a threat to Labour |
No, its because he just says what people want to hear, he tells you whats wrong which is plainly obvious anyway, but has no idea on how to put things right and less so on how he's gonna pay to put things right, he's gonna deport all these immigrants to where and how and how is he gonna pay for it.
He's just a talking horse without any substance and yes I can't stand the bloke. [Post edited 6 May 16:32]
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT (n/t) on 17:46 - May 6 with 802 views | onehunglow |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT (n/t) on 16:26 - May 6 by max936 |
No, its because he just says what people want to hear, he tells you whats wrong which is plainly obvious anyway, but has no idea on how to put things right and less so on how he's gonna pay to put things right, he's gonna deport all these immigrants to where and how and how is he gonna pay for it.
He's just a talking horse without any substance and yes I can't stand the bloke. [Post edited 6 May 16:32]
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Well, other countries manage to deport
Do we simply lie down and accept this flow onto the country
Why didn't the " right wing" Tories sort this issue out and show some guts
That they didn't was one of the reasons we have this problem now and it's out of control
I could tell you much more and the public knows only half of it
I detest Farage for championing us leaving EU
It s amazing millions followed him on this issue and voted to leave
If he was for leave ,then you'd think we would have voted remain
I've never known our country to be so forked up with no politicians at all able to be brave enough to address matters of concern
I didn't mention woke so as not to add petrol to this debate
Farage against that too | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT (n/t) on 18:52 - May 6 with 786 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT (n/t) on 16:26 - May 6 by max936 |
No, its because he just says what people want to hear, he tells you whats wrong which is plainly obvious anyway, but has no idea on how to put things right and less so on how he's gonna pay to put things right, he's gonna deport all these immigrants to where and how and how is he gonna pay for it.
He's just a talking horse without any substance and yes I can't stand the bloke. [Post edited 6 May 16:32]
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Deportation used to be routine for people coming in ‘illegally’. Even Labour under Blair deported well over 90% of people coming in without papers. Their feet didn’t touch the ground. They were gone. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 20:14 - May 6 with 767 views | Dr_Winston |
The Danes seem to manage. They granted asylum to 864 people in 2024. |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT (n/t) on 20:30 - May 6 with 741 views | max936 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT (n/t) on 18:52 - May 6 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Deportation used to be routine for people coming in ‘illegally’. Even Labour under Blair deported well over 90% of people coming in without papers. Their feet didn’t touch the ground. They were gone. |
They probably don't know where most of them are, Starmer seems to be welcoming them with open arms. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 21:03 - May 6 with 704 views | builthjack |
Reform - mostly failed Tories. Laughable. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 21:26 - May 6 with 689 views | Boundy |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 21:03 - May 6 by builthjack |
Reform - mostly failed Tories. Laughable. |
All those newly appointed in local councils and mayoral roles ? Or could they be ex labour/Tory voters who believe they could do a better job . | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT (n/t) on 06:20 - May 7 with 627 views | Scotia |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT (n/t) on 18:52 - May 6 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Deportation used to be routine for people coming in ‘illegally’. Even Labour under Blair deported well over 90% of people coming in without papers. Their feet didn’t touch the ground. They were gone. |
Under the Tories successful asylum applications rose to nearly 80%. It's down to about 50% now.
Deporting them is a different story now though, the worlds a far more unstable place. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 06:29 - May 7 with 624 views | Scotia |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 20:14 - May 6 by Dr_Winston |
The Danes seem to manage. They granted asylum to 864 people in 2024. |
We could learn a lot from the Danes, they consider Syria to be a safe country but we entertain asylum applications from Turkish nationals.
I don't fancy going to either country but millions of Brits will be off on holiday to Turkey this summer.
93% of immigrants aren't asylum seekers though. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 08:23 - May 7 with 575 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 21:03 - May 6 by builthjack |
Reform - mostly failed Tories. Laughable. |
The truth. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 08:30 - May 7 with 574 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:26 - May 6 by onehunglow |
You've lost me
Maybe they see Farage as supporting OUR military, the ones that allow us to discourse
They must turn in their graves looking at all of us now
Britain includes Wales and Northern Ireland btw
I saw it on someone's passport last week
Ergo, you are British |
The rise of the populist far right.
Parallels in rhetoric.
It never ever ends well.
Farage is not part of ‘British’ political tradition.
I am Welsh.
My nation has never agreed to be part any British political union.
I know that you know this as the proud Cymro that you are. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 08:32 - May 7 with 573 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:33 - May 6 by Boundy |
Many do , when the fear of being invaded by foreign nationals bought a nation to kick back and defend their way of life ,not to have to bow down but to stand up and be counted , familiar. |
Sorry - do you admire the rise of Adolf Hitler ?
You would be the first person i ever met who thought like that.
British soldiers fought facsism. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:08 - May 7 with 553 views | Boundy |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 08:32 - May 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Sorry - do you admire the rise of Adolf Hitler ?
You would be the first person i ever met who thought like that.
British soldiers fought facsism. |
It has to be said that your your already tentative grasp of history has now fallen to nursery school level. Just when in 1939 was Germany threatened with invasion. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:44 - May 7 with 511 views | onehunglow |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 08:30 - May 7 by Kilkennyjack |
The rise of the populist far right.
Parallels in rhetoric.
It never ever ends well.
Farage is not part of ‘British’ political tradition.
I am Welsh.
My nation has never agreed to be part any British political union.
I know that you know this as the proud Cymro that you are. |
It matters not whether we agreed
The Zinion goes back 500 years or more
We are stuck with it
Right now, you are British , which is also the case with the likes of Gerry Adams MP of a British constituency in the UK
Think we are seeing too much in the way of hate speech now I'm out | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT (n/t) on 16:03 - May 7 with 431 views | howenjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT (n/t) on 06:20 - May 7 by Scotia |
Under the Tories successful asylum applications rose to nearly 80%. It's down to about 50% now.
Deporting them is a different story now though, the worlds a far more unstable place. |
The irony ... see Southport , Manchester Ariana Grande concert , London Bridge etc etc. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT (n/t) on 16:34 - May 7 with 421 views | Scotia |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT (n/t) on 16:03 - May 7 by howenjack |
The irony ... see Southport , Manchester Ariana Grande concert , London Bridge etc etc. |
Southport? | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT (n/t) on 18:39 - May 7 with 377 views | Boundy |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT (n/t) on 16:34 - May 7 by Scotia |
Southport? |
Are you implying that wasn't a terrorist attack ? | |
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