| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT 10:01 - May 2 with 12771 views | johnlangy |
This possibilty increases by the day. And certainly did last night. But something was said by a Reform person this morning that if they were to become the next government could result in a monumental constitutional crisis.
Imagine at the next GE Reform were to stand on a policy of leaving the ECHR. Then they are elected and produce legislation to that effect. They get it through the House of Commons and it goes to the House of Lords. There is not one Reform peer in the HOL and the vast bulk of the 850 or so peers is made up of Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem etc etc peers who would fight tooth and nail to scupper the plan.
I wonder what the public's reaction would be at seeing the 'establishment' preventing something happening that they had voted for. It is certainly something Reform would try to do and it would be refreshing in an odd sort of way (i'm not a Reform voter) to see a party actually do what they said they would do in their manifesto.
And there's the crisis. You could argue that this would be the best argument for scrapping the HOL all together. Because in this instance many would argue that democracy is broken. Others would say the HOL is part of our democracy.
Then the question is, does democracy belong to the 70 million of us or the 850 of them. |  | | |  |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:17 - May 3 with 1004 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:11 - May 3 by swan65split |
The results have just proved ALL parties now have to up their game, even reform, as in 3 years their weaknesses/failures will be there for all to see, promising this and that, and then doing it, are 2 different things.
it in thened could be a good thing for the UK after what you say is a pretty sh**ty 30 odd years....then on the other hand it could go all wits up if the parties fail to see the dangers of what is happening atm. |
They’ve got two options:
1: start listening to the people they supposedly represent and start adapting their policies to make a tangible change in the direction of this country.
2: hunker down, scream “RACIST!!!!” at the top of their lungs and carry on regardless.
Which would you say is the most likely course they will take? |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:19 - May 3 with 997 views | Dr_Winston |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:17 - May 3 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
They’ve got two options:
1: start listening to the people they supposedly represent and start adapting their policies to make a tangible change in the direction of this country.
2: hunker down, scream “RACIST!!!!” at the top of their lungs and carry on regardless.
Which would you say is the most likely course they will take? |
You forgot:
3. Keep blaming Rupert Murdoch |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:00 - May 3 with 958 views | max936 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:31 - May 2 by Whiterockin |
If the elected government whoever they are, were continually stopped passing laws by the house of lords, it would beginning of the end of the house of lords. |
House of Lords has long passed its sell by date and the rise of Reform is a concern in my opinion, just shows the complete incompetence of the "main" parties.
I keep saying it, but the political landscape needs a massive overall. |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:18 - May 3 with 946 views | max936 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 12:18 - May 2 by swan65split |
I am not reform, but the majority of people I talk to and know have the same opinion. The top parties really do have to get their act together or its look out! |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:25 - May 3 with 946 views | max936 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:36 - May 2 by Boundy |
You do realise they're not in power to do anything , Labour are and have said what they would do , they've costed what they would do by giving our money to outside agencies and still they come. At re you happy in the knowledge that so much money is being lost to those who've paid into the system all their lives and are considered 2nd class when it comes to this invasion. |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:30 - May 3 with 937 views | jack_lord |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:02 - May 3 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
We’ve been calling Cardiff city fans that for years. |
That was my immediate thought |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:41 - May 3 with 931 views | jack_lord |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 07:54 - May 3 by Scotia |
But the right wing press are telling people they can't afford house's and can't get NHS treatment because of immigration and there are men in women's clothes trying to get in to female toilets everywhere.
People feel like that because of the right wing press and social media, not lived examples because it isn't happening. Immigrants do not take priority over non immigrants for anything.
Immigration is too high but the vast majority we desperately need. |
I don't know how many haircuts I need or how many times I can have my car washed though. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 12:17 - May 3 with 922 views | max936 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 08:56 - May 3 by Boundy |
One simple fact why Reform may get my vote , they have never been in power, never screwed the taxpayer ,never taken us into illegitimate wars ,never screwed the economy , never let the border flood gates open . Your same ramblings about Brexit is like an old worn out tune. he never had the power to make Brexit work but the Torys were and failed and it now looks like Starmer is about to defy the democratic vote .hundreds of thousands or even millions of voters have had a gutsful of the two party state ,as Don once sang , there s a new kid in town. Reform now have until next year to show what they can do in local councils and people will be watching and waiting ,balls it up the the whole dynamic changes again. Imo. |
I wouldn't trust Farage further than I could see him or his party, he's just saying what people want to hear, he has very little idea on how to solve these problems and less so as to how to pay to solve these problems, the people of the UK deserve better, we are where we are because of the incompetence of this Labour Government and even more so of the previous Tory Government, its absolutely fing disgusting.  [Post edited 3 May 21:56]
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 18:38 - May 3 with 863 views | johnlangy |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 08:56 - May 3 by Boundy |
One simple fact why Reform may get my vote , they have never been in power, never screwed the taxpayer ,never taken us into illegitimate wars ,never screwed the economy , never let the border flood gates open . Your same ramblings about Brexit is like an old worn out tune. he never had the power to make Brexit work but the Torys were and failed and it now looks like Starmer is about to defy the democratic vote .hundreds of thousands or even millions of voters have had a gutsful of the two party state ,as Don once sang , there s a new kid in town. Reform now have until next year to show what they can do in local councils and people will be watching and waiting ,balls it up the the whole dynamic changes again. Imo. |
The last two lines are exactly what i'm thinking. Now they've got control of a number of councils let's see how they manage. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 19:51 - May 3 with 842 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 07:54 - May 3 by Scotia |
But the right wing press are telling people they can't afford house's and can't get NHS treatment because of immigration and there are men in women's clothes trying to get in to female toilets everywhere.
People feel like that because of the right wing press and social media, not lived examples because it isn't happening. Immigrants do not take priority over non immigrants for anything.
Immigration is too high but the vast majority we desperately need. |
I think it's a bit of both. Some are listening to the media and getting their opinions from them, some are living those eperiences.
Thing is there are some irrefutable facts, people do feel they can't afford a house and there are massive waiting lists for NHS treatement, you can't deny it.
Personally I waited over 5 years for a hip replacement (Covid was a year of that) and I ended up having to threaten legal action and seriously considered suing the health board having found out a neighbour had only been placed on the list 2 years after me and been done before me. Immigrants may not take precedence (although housing?) but there is certainly an effect in our schools and hospitals...and on crime. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 20:42 - May 3 with 814 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 19:51 - May 3 by SullutaCreturned |
I think it's a bit of both. Some are listening to the media and getting their opinions from them, some are living those eperiences.
Thing is there are some irrefutable facts, people do feel they can't afford a house and there are massive waiting lists for NHS treatement, you can't deny it.
Personally I waited over 5 years for a hip replacement (Covid was a year of that) and I ended up having to threaten legal action and seriously considered suing the health board having found out a neighbour had only been placed on the list 2 years after me and been done before me. Immigrants may not take precedence (although housing?) but there is certainly an effect in our schools and hospitals...and on crime. |
So you have waited over 5 years for a hip replacement due to immigrants ?
I am not convinced that all the young fighting age men who arriive on Englands shores every day require hip replacements.
Please rethink or please write with more clarity. |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 21:42 - May 3 with 781 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 20:42 - May 3 by Kilkennyjack |
So you have waited over 5 years for a hip replacement due to immigrants ?
I am not convinced that all the young fighting age men who arriive on Englands shores every day require hip replacements.
Please rethink or please write with more clarity. |
No, ot's just a lack of comprehension on your part. So I'll try, take it slowly.
The amount of money spent on immigrants (not the immigrants personally) has an impact on the services provided.
The immigrants are responsible for a rise in crime, there's an impact on housing too.
I never said any immigrants needed new hips but they do use NHS services which puts increased pressure on an already overburdened system. While we do need immigration we do need to get tt under control and illegal immigration is of real concern. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 02:06 - May 4 with 723 views | DJack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 08:01 - May 3 by Dr_Winston |
You keep thinking like that, and you'll keep losing. |
I'll just wait for one of your drunken posts when you reveal yourself...AGAIN. |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 08:52 - May 4 with 673 views | Whiterockin |
Without a doubt Reform will be judged on how they perform in areas that they have been elected, we will just have to wait and see. As for your claim about not knowing Reforms policies and what they stand for. Do you really think in areas that they were elected that the local electorate did not know what they were voting for. Of course they explained their policies and the electorate voted for them. When it comes to the Senedd elections they will put out their manifesto the same as the other parties. We will just have to wait and see how it pans out. But according to some there is no point anyone standing apart from Plaid. Apparently 40% in Wales want independence, if that was actually true Plaid would win every seat in the Senedd. As I say we will just have to wait and see. |  | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:10 - May 4 with 654 views | Scotia |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 08:52 - May 4 by Whiterockin |
Without a doubt Reform will be judged on how they perform in areas that they have been elected, we will just have to wait and see. As for your claim about not knowing Reforms policies and what they stand for. Do you really think in areas that they were elected that the local electorate did not know what they were voting for. Of course they explained their policies and the electorate voted for them. When it comes to the Senedd elections they will put out their manifesto the same as the other parties. We will just have to wait and see how it pans out. But according to some there is no point anyone standing apart from Plaid. Apparently 40% in Wales want independence, if that was actually true Plaid would win every seat in the Senedd. As I say we will just have to wait and see. |
I think they know a version of their policies but haven't really thought them through. I don't think anyone who is thinking of voting for Reform who isn't a young, straight, healthy, white and well off man does.
People don't really think about what they vote for, just look at the 20mph speed limit. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:19 - May 4 with 651 views | onehunglow |
Many detest Farage because he's " posh" and a threat to Labour | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:47 - May 4 with 635 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:10 - May 4 by Scotia |
I think they know a version of their policies but haven't really thought them through. I don't think anyone who is thinking of voting for Reform who isn't a young, straight, healthy, white and well off man does.
People don't really think about what they vote for, just look at the 20mph speed limit. |
So someone who disagrees with you hasn't thought it through and someone who does has, fair enough. I don't have a clue what policies Reform put forward in the various elections on Thursday so I can't comment as to if they have thought it through, obviously you have and therefore are entitled to say that the local voter hasn't thought it through. Listening and watching to the various reports your stereotyping is also way off, but let's wait and see. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:19 - May 4 with 613 views | Scotia |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:47 - May 4 by Whiterockin |
So someone who disagrees with you hasn't thought it through and someone who does has, fair enough. I don't have a clue what policies Reform put forward in the various elections on Thursday so I can't comment as to if they have thought it through, obviously you have and therefore are entitled to say that the local voter hasn't thought it through. Listening and watching to the various reports your stereotyping is also way off, but let's wait and see. |
I don't see how anyone outside of those demographics can vote for Reform if they understand the implications of them getting elected.
Let's be fair a seriously dodgy businessman with links to the Russian state and who wished death on a teenage girl came second in the SW England mayor election polling 10's of thousands of votes. He's not fit to even be a candidate but came close to winning. It's bonkers. [Post edited 4 May 10:20]
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:26 - May 4 with 597 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:19 - May 4 by Scotia |
I don't see how anyone outside of those demographics can vote for Reform if they understand the implications of them getting elected.
Let's be fair a seriously dodgy businessman with links to the Russian state and who wished death on a teenage girl came second in the SW England mayor election polling 10's of thousands of votes. He's not fit to even be a candidate but came close to winning. It's bonkers. [Post edited 4 May 10:20]
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It is bonkers really when you think that the two major parties have had an opportunity and cocked up so badly that the British electorate are prepared to give an untried party a chance. They have only themselves to blame. If this momentum continues at the next GE the Conservatives will barely exist and Labour will not be far behind. How politics has changed in 18 months. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 12:19 - May 4 with 547 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:10 - May 4 by Scotia |
I think they know a version of their policies but haven't really thought them through. I don't think anyone who is thinking of voting for Reform who isn't a young, straight, healthy, white and well off man does.
People don't really think about what they vote for, just look at the 20mph speed limit. |
That's a bit if a change, previously you said that people knew what they were voting for because it was in the manifesto!
Is Farage revealing his true colours, is this hot air or is he actually a bigger moron than I thought possible?
Thing is, there are a lot people, myself included who look at the diversity policies and the climate policies and are left puzzled.
Take diversity, they talk about being inclusive but to be inclusive they tell people they can't have a job because they are white, straight etc, that's just discrimination by another name, anybody who applies for a job should be judged solely on whether or not they are the best person for the job, what they look like, what they claim to be or really are, whatever the colour of their skin or their sexuality shouldn't matter in any way.
Now the climate thing, we are being forced to pay a lot of money towards policies that just won't work unless the whole planet is doing the same thing. As long as India, China, Russia and the good ol US of A continue to pump out more COs (and whatever other pollution they are responsible for )than the rest of the world then what the rest of us do is pointless. Those 4 countries currently emit over 56% of the planets CO2.
Ww are being milked financially, treated like second class citizens for being straight and white, being made to pay more for services that are continually being cut and people have had enough.
So, you can say people haven't thought it through but we are in a place some residents of 1930's Germany might recognise, a place where everything is getting worse around us and getting more expensive with it. OK a loaf of bread doesn't cost a wheelbarrow full of money but do you think people are going to wait until we get there?
No, people want things to change and while Farage is a snake oil salesman, people are desperate.
Our kids can't afford to move out, their education has suffered, criminals strut around with impunity....well there's a long list oif what is wrong and people have had enough. Reforn can be making promises they can never keep but when people are desperate they'll try anything. You can expect them to think about it but when the 2 parties who have run this country for the majotrity of it being a democracy have put us where we are, where has thinking gotten anyone?
The rich are so much better off and the gap keeps rising, if you're not rich don't get ill because you'll possibly be dead before you're even diagnosed. If you're not rich or famous don't hold your breath waiting for the police, that call has been prioritised and you are downgraded because an MP has seen someone hanging around on his street corner, the people breaking in your back door will have a few days to complete the task. Make sure you send your kids to school even though the supply teacher isn't teaching them anything. Don't put the wrong rubbish out because they'll have time to go through it, put a sticker on it and leave it but they haven't got time to put your bins back properly, they'll just fling it back across the road.
Things are broken and the people we elected to fix them are the people who have been breaking them for 70 years. People want different, Reform are claiming to fill that gap. People will go for it.
This bit...
Speaking at a rally in Newton Aycliffe on Friday afternoon (2 May) the Party leader said: “I would advise anybody who’s working for Durham County Council on climate change initiatives or Diversity, Equity and Inclusion or… things that you go on working from home, I think you all better really be seeking alternative careers very, very quickly.
"We want to give council taxpayers better value for money. We want to reduce excessive expenditure. We want to find out who the long-term contracts are signed with and why, and reduce the scale of local government back to what it ought to be.”
You can say it's barmy but it'll float a lot of boats. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 08:04 - May 6 with 413 views | Scotia |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 12:19 - May 4 by SullutaCreturned |
That's a bit if a change, previously you said that people knew what they were voting for because it was in the manifesto!
Is Farage revealing his true colours, is this hot air or is he actually a bigger moron than I thought possible?
Thing is, there are a lot people, myself included who look at the diversity policies and the climate policies and are left puzzled.
Take diversity, they talk about being inclusive but to be inclusive they tell people they can't have a job because they are white, straight etc, that's just discrimination by another name, anybody who applies for a job should be judged solely on whether or not they are the best person for the job, what they look like, what they claim to be or really are, whatever the colour of their skin or their sexuality shouldn't matter in any way.
Now the climate thing, we are being forced to pay a lot of money towards policies that just won't work unless the whole planet is doing the same thing. As long as India, China, Russia and the good ol US of A continue to pump out more COs (and whatever other pollution they are responsible for )than the rest of the world then what the rest of us do is pointless. Those 4 countries currently emit over 56% of the planets CO2.
Ww are being milked financially, treated like second class citizens for being straight and white, being made to pay more for services that are continually being cut and people have had enough.
So, you can say people haven't thought it through but we are in a place some residents of 1930's Germany might recognise, a place where everything is getting worse around us and getting more expensive with it. OK a loaf of bread doesn't cost a wheelbarrow full of money but do you think people are going to wait until we get there?
No, people want things to change and while Farage is a snake oil salesman, people are desperate.
Our kids can't afford to move out, their education has suffered, criminals strut around with impunity....well there's a long list oif what is wrong and people have had enough. Reforn can be making promises they can never keep but when people are desperate they'll try anything. You can expect them to think about it but when the 2 parties who have run this country for the majotrity of it being a democracy have put us where we are, where has thinking gotten anyone?
The rich are so much better off and the gap keeps rising, if you're not rich don't get ill because you'll possibly be dead before you're even diagnosed. If you're not rich or famous don't hold your breath waiting for the police, that call has been prioritised and you are downgraded because an MP has seen someone hanging around on his street corner, the people breaking in your back door will have a few days to complete the task. Make sure you send your kids to school even though the supply teacher isn't teaching them anything. Don't put the wrong rubbish out because they'll have time to go through it, put a sticker on it and leave it but they haven't got time to put your bins back properly, they'll just fling it back across the road.
Things are broken and the people we elected to fix them are the people who have been breaking them for 70 years. People want different, Reform are claiming to fill that gap. People will go for it.
This bit...
Speaking at a rally in Newton Aycliffe on Friday afternoon (2 May) the Party leader said: “I would advise anybody who’s working for Durham County Council on climate change initiatives or Diversity, Equity and Inclusion or… things that you go on working from home, I think you all better really be seeking alternative careers very, very quickly.
"We want to give council taxpayers better value for money. We want to reduce excessive expenditure. We want to find out who the long-term contracts are signed with and why, and reduce the scale of local government back to what it ought to be.”
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I was referring to explicit claims such as "we will introduce a 20 mph speed limit" or "we will increase Senedd members".
Reform are just exploiting popular fears that are misunderstood - including in your reply - and doing a grand job at laying the blame at migrants. The level of migration is too high and needs to be addressed, but Reforms proposed solutions will destroy the country if implemented.
The diversity policies aren't understood very well. Nobody should be discrimnated against but nobody gets and advantage. I'm an employer, I'm interviewing for several jobs this week, the best candidate will get them. There are no quotas and having employed in excess of 100 people not one has ever not got a job becasue they are white, male or straight. Nobody has been refused a job exclusively on that basis - it's illegal at present but wouldn't be under Reform - that's the irony.
The pint about Farge and his "if you work in diversity - get a new job claim" and the Reform policies is how many women or gay or disabled or OAP's voted for them? They almost certianly don't understand that the employee who has been told to get a new job will be working to help them becasue of their characteristics and not just black, gay , transgender immigrants. Everyone benefits from diversity legislation and implementation at some point.
Similarly with Climate Change issues. How many people in Port Talbot are thinking of voting Reform when the entire future of the area is based on carbon free industry and is likley to see an increase in emplyment from those lost from TaTa?
Climate change staff are also respnsible in many cases for small scale projects that make the area's we live nicer places. Whether that's due to less traffic congestion (queue the anti-ULEZ nutters) or improving city centres - unde rReform policy there would be very little city centre regeneration in Swansea. Castle gardens would remain the mess it is.
Reform are just stoking popular misconceptions and a lack of understanding, they need to be challenged on it.
We absolutely have to have political change but that needs people to grasp what the problems are - the super rich pose more problems and unfairness than migrants, but who are Reform blaming? | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:25 - May 6 with 387 views | onehunglow |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 08:04 - May 6 by Scotia |
I was referring to explicit claims such as "we will introduce a 20 mph speed limit" or "we will increase Senedd members".
Reform are just exploiting popular fears that are misunderstood - including in your reply - and doing a grand job at laying the blame at migrants. The level of migration is too high and needs to be addressed, but Reforms proposed solutions will destroy the country if implemented.
The diversity policies aren't understood very well. Nobody should be discrimnated against but nobody gets and advantage. I'm an employer, I'm interviewing for several jobs this week, the best candidate will get them. There are no quotas and having employed in excess of 100 people not one has ever not got a job becasue they are white, male or straight. Nobody has been refused a job exclusively on that basis - it's illegal at present but wouldn't be under Reform - that's the irony.
The pint about Farge and his "if you work in diversity - get a new job claim" and the Reform policies is how many women or gay or disabled or OAP's voted for them? They almost certianly don't understand that the employee who has been told to get a new job will be working to help them becasue of their characteristics and not just black, gay , transgender immigrants. Everyone benefits from diversity legislation and implementation at some point.
Similarly with Climate Change issues. How many people in Port Talbot are thinking of voting Reform when the entire future of the area is based on carbon free industry and is likley to see an increase in emplyment from those lost from TaTa?
Climate change staff are also respnsible in many cases for small scale projects that make the area's we live nicer places. Whether that's due to less traffic congestion (queue the anti-ULEZ nutters) or improving city centres - unde rReform policy there would be very little city centre regeneration in Swansea. Castle gardens would remain the mess it is.
Reform are just stoking popular misconceptions and a lack of understanding, they need to be challenged on it.
We absolutely have to have political change but that needs people to grasp what the problems are - the super rich pose more problems and unfairness than migrants, but who are Reform blaming? |
Females uncomfortable with unknown desperate men from deport countries roaming around their neighbourhood being housed free in a former local hotel
I mean, what's the matter with them
Let's welcome and love them
Let's do all we can for them as they have risked their lives to come to our island
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:27 - May 6 with 372 views | Scotia |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:25 - May 6 by onehunglow |
Females uncomfortable with unknown desperate men from deport countries roaming around their neighbourhood being housed free in a former local hotel
I mean, what's the matter with them
Let's welcome and love them
Let's do all we can for them as they have risked their lives to come to our island
Yeah baby |
No staff working in diversity, means no protection for women becasue they are women. They'll have to fend for themselves.
That's the bottom line. | | | |
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