| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT 10:01 - May 2 with 6588 views | johnlangy |
This possibilty increases by the day. And certainly did last night. But something was said by a Reform person this morning that if they were to become the next government could result in a monumental constitutional crisis.
Imagine at the next GE Reform were to stand on a policy of leaving the ECHR. Then they are elected and produce legislation to that effect. They get it through the House of Commons and it goes to the House of Lords. There is not one Reform peer in the HOL and the vast bulk of the 850 or so peers is made up of Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem etc etc peers who would fight tooth and nail to scupper the plan.
I wonder what the public's reaction would be at seeing the 'establishment' preventing something happening that they had voted for. It is certainly something Reform would try to do and it would be refreshing in an odd sort of way (i'm not a Reform voter) to see a party actually do what they said they would do in their manifesto.
And there's the crisis. You could argue that this would be the best argument for scrapping the HOL all together. Because in this instance many would argue that democracy is broken. Others would say the HOL is part of our democracy.
Then the question is, does democracy belong to the 70 million of us or the 850 of them. |  | | |  |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:03 - May 11 with 642 views | raynor94 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 22:02 - May 10 by Kilkennyjack |
Not really now, too much of a unionist for me.
I do respect him though, a decent man who led in tbe pandemic which was difficult.
He also had to deal with that turd Boris Johnson.
Are you s fan boy for Drakers ? |
No, I blame him for a lot of Wales problems, and to say he led us through the pandemic is laughable |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:52 - May 11 with 602 views | controversial_jack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:03 - May 11 by raynor94 |
No, I blame him for a lot of Wales problems, and to say he led us through the pandemic is laughable |
He did a good job through covid, kept us informed | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:47 - May 11 with 581 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:52 - May 11 by controversial_jack |
He did a good job through covid, kept us informed |
Is that why Drakeford wouldn't have a public enquiry. |  | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:14 - May 11 with 549 views | raynor94 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:52 - May 11 by controversial_jack |
He did a good job through covid, kept us informed |
Ah right standing behind a podium waffling | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:15 - May 11 with 548 views | Boundy |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:14 - May 11 by raynor94 |
Ah right standing behind a podium waffling |
You're biting | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:17 - May 11 with 544 views | raynor94 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:15 - May 11 by Boundy |
You're biting |
🙈 I must do better | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:28 - May 11 with 519 views | Dr_Winston |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:47 - May 11 by Whiterockin |
Is that why Drakeford wouldn't have a public enquiry. |
At every step Drakeford tried to differ from the Westminster approach, and I can't think of any cases where he got it right in doing so. |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:32 - May 11 with 514 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:03 - May 11 by SullutaCreturned |
Good old Mab Darogan eh, though the Welsh probably supported him because the thinking was, he'd release Wales from English rule. History, even back then shows that once a country is conquered, the conquerirs rarely give it up easily.
We'd best make sure Reform don't conquer Wales, I dread to think what we'd become under Farage. |
Walesshire.
Wales has the highest number of castles per head of population in Europe.
There is a reason for that. |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:37 - May 11 with 496 views | controversial_jack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:28 - May 11 by Dr_Winston |
At every step Drakeford tried to differ from the Westminster approach, and I can't think of any cases where he got it right in doing so. |
Differing from Boris was a bad idea, why? | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 12:01 - May 11 with 492 views | Boundy |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:32 - May 11 by Kilkennyjack |
Walesshire.
Wales has the highest number of castles per head of population in Europe.
There is a reason for that. |
It seems old Ap big ears of plaid are extolling the virtues of more migration into Wales , I wonder without having the English invading where will those folk come from , Patagonia maybe ? | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:01 - May 11 with 456 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 11:32 - May 11 by Kilkennyjack |
Walesshire.
Wales has the highest number of castles per head of population in Europe.
There is a reason for that. |
There was a reason for that nigh on 800 years ago when Edward Longshanks built his "Iron ring" bnut these days they are of more interest to hidtory buffs and tourists. You can hardly claim they are there to subdue modern Wales!
Stop living in the past.
Saying that, a vote for Reform is, in my opinion, ignoring a lesson from the 1920's and 30's. Back then when their people were going through a bad time the nazi's came along and through a combination of lies, rhetoric 9Mustn't forget stupidity) and violence, strode into power and the rest we know. Reform are very much of that ilk to me, relying on rhetoric, lies and stupidity. If Reform get into power I don't think it will end well. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:21 - May 11 with 434 views | max936 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 12:01 - May 11 by Boundy |
It seems old Ap big ears of plaid are extolling the virtues of more migration into Wales , I wonder without having the English invading where will those folk come from , Patagonia maybe ? |
That's given me another reason on not to vote Plaid then, my options are diminishing slowly but surely.
That's Reform [never would anyway], Labour [not this current lot especially with Starmer at the helm] and I'd never vote Tory, now Plaid is added to the list. [Post edited 11 May 13:23]
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:31 - May 11 with 424 views | max936 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 21:03 - May 6 by builthjack |
Reform - mostly failed Tories. Laughable. |
Farage's undying love is to become the Tory leader at some point, its what he dreams for every night. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:07 - May 11 with 386 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:21 - May 11 by max936 |
That's given me another reason on not to vote Plaid then, my options are diminishing slowly but surely.
That's Reform [never would anyway], Labour [not this current lot especially with Starmer at the helm] and I'd never vote Tory, now Plaid is added to the list. [Post edited 11 May 13:23]
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Thing is, Plaid are probably the only serious contenders to Labour, some will say Reform are too tho.
Plaid have softened on independence and maybe they will do some positive stuff for the Welsh economy, stuff Labour have stopped doing like improving road infrastructure. I can live in hope.
If Plaid can see the indy thing is a waste of time, maybe there's hope there. I'm not against more people moving here, not if they bring money with them.
Funny thing, people moan about English retirees but I know a local couple, he is a policeman, not sure what she does. They have bought a house locally, he was born and raised here. She is from Buckinghamshire, she says she couldn't afford a house where she was born either. Seems that story is true in England too. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:30 - May 11 with 376 views | AnotherJohn |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:07 - May 11 by SullutaCreturned |
Thing is, Plaid are probably the only serious contenders to Labour, some will say Reform are too tho.
Plaid have softened on independence and maybe they will do some positive stuff for the Welsh economy, stuff Labour have stopped doing like improving road infrastructure. I can live in hope.
If Plaid can see the indy thing is a waste of time, maybe there's hope there. I'm not against more people moving here, not if they bring money with them.
Funny thing, people moan about English retirees but I know a local couple, he is a policeman, not sure what she does. They have bought a house locally, he was born and raised here. She is from Buckinghamshire, she says she couldn't afford a house where she was born either. Seems that story is true in England too. |
Plaid are too woke. Hard to get beyond that. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:34 - May 11 with 374 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:30 - May 11 by AnotherJohn |
Plaid are too woke. Hard to get beyond that. |
No it's not. Reform are too dangerous, tories and Labour too useless.
Plaid have toned down their stuff recently, I'd rather give them a chance. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 17:10 - May 11 with 356 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:34 - May 11 by SullutaCreturned |
No it's not. Reform are too dangerous, tories and Labour too useless.
Plaid have toned down their stuff recently, I'd rather give them a chance. |
I found it very strange that in the Cwmllynfell and Ystalyfera County Borough Council By-Election last month, the Plaid vote collapsed by 30% and that is in a relatively strong Welsh speaking community. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 19:53 - May 11 with 295 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 17:10 - May 11 by Whiterockin |
I found it very strange that in the Cwmllynfell and Ystalyfera County Borough Council By-Election last month, the Plaid vote collapsed by 30% and that is in a relatively strong Welsh speaking community. |
Yes but in a nation wide poll Plaid were top.
Reform second.
Labour voters moving to Plaid.
Tories moving to Reform. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 19:55 - May 11 with 293 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 07:35 - May 11 by Whiterockin |
You could turn that around and say Johnson led the country through the pandemic and had to deal with that turd "we do things differently in Wales" Drakeford. |
Not really.
In early July 2022, 62 of the United Kingdom's 179 government ministers, parliamentary private secretaries, trade envoys, and party vice-chairmen resigned from their positions in the second administration formed by Boris Johnson as Prime Minister, culminating in Johnson's resignation on 7 July.
Not true with Drakers.
There is no equivalence. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 20:03 - May 11 with 277 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 12:01 - May 11 by Boundy |
It seems old Ap big ears of plaid are extolling the virtues of more migration into Wales , I wonder without having the English invading where will those folk come from , Patagonia maybe ? |
Perhaps we can hang a child-likr insult on the Wales Reform leader…?
No we cant.
Why not ? Because they have no leader in Wales.
Up until 2025 none of the Reform members got any say in policy.
His Royal Nigel and Dick Tice just decided policy and told everyone else.
Not very democratic is it ? | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 20:22 - May 11 with 247 views | Boundy |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 20:03 - May 11 by Kilkennyjack |
Perhaps we can hang a child-likr insult on the Wales Reform leader…?
No we cant.
Why not ? Because they have no leader in Wales.
Up until 2025 none of the Reform members got any say in policy.
His Royal Nigel and Dick Tice just decided policy and told everyone else.
Not very democratic is it ? |
About as democratic as stopping winter fuel allowance or raising National Insurance wouldn't you agree. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 23:04 - May 11 with 183 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 19:53 - May 11 by Kilkennyjack |
Yes but in a nation wide poll Plaid were top.
Reform second.
Labour voters moving to Plaid.
Tories moving to Reform. |
Polls are not accurate but here it is, Plaid 35 seats, Reform 30 but 10 seats fall within the margin for error so the outcome could be very different.
itv.com/news/wales/2025-05-06/labour-support-collapses-as-plaid-cymru-and-reform-battle-it-out-itv-poll
And this excerpt from the story is very telling,
We asked: How well or badly do you think Keir Starmer is doing as the prime minister?
Voters said: Very well 3%; Fairly well 24%; Fairly badly 26%; Very badly 36%; Don’t know 11%.
Eluned Morgan could argue her party’s unpopularity comes largely from UK Government decision-making. However, the poll revealed just 23% of those who answered think she is doing a good job as first minister. 43% said she is performing badly, while 34% didn’t know either way.
I think the only sure thing now is that Labour will get a kicking at the next election but Plaid won't command a majority so will look for a coalition which lets Labour back in.
Or Reform could get a surge and surprise all of us, well those of us who don't support them anyway. All you Reform supporters, be very careful what you wish for, remember Farage is Trumps big mate, do we want that in Wales. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 00:32 - May 12 with 162 views | Robbie |
Just wish Wales would get out of this we must vote labour ethos .
Embedded for donkeys years in our voting habits , father to son etc .
Pin a red rossette on a monkey and it will be elected in .
Our last First Minister was a dinosaur with no good ideas to put my selection for his party .
As mentiond earlier UK Politics is now in a state of turmoil , Bojo has been chucked now to be replaced by Rach from the typing pool and smiling dagger Ange , all lead by Two Tier Kier .
Looking like a bumpy ride for Kier upcoming , he made the promises and so far failed dismally on his honesty and pledges Election Time . | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 06:21 - May 12 with 138 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 23:04 - May 11 by SullutaCreturned |
Polls are not accurate but here it is, Plaid 35 seats, Reform 30 but 10 seats fall within the margin for error so the outcome could be very different.
itv.com/news/wales/2025-05-06/labour-support-collapses-as-plaid-cymru-and-reform-battle-it-out-itv-poll
And this excerpt from the story is very telling,
We asked: How well or badly do you think Keir Starmer is doing as the prime minister?
Voters said: Very well 3%; Fairly well 24%; Fairly badly 26%; Very badly 36%; Don’t know 11%.
Eluned Morgan could argue her party’s unpopularity comes largely from UK Government decision-making. However, the poll revealed just 23% of those who answered think she is doing a good job as first minister. 43% said she is performing badly, while 34% didn’t know either way.
I think the only sure thing now is that Labour will get a kicking at the next election but Plaid won't command a majority so will look for a coalition which lets Labour back in.
Or Reform could get a surge and surprise all of us, well those of us who don't support them anyway. All you Reform supporters, be very careful what you wish for, remember Farage is Trumps big mate, do we want that in Wales. |
The question is when parties declare who they would form a coalition with, will the planned Plaid vote hold up if the agree to form a coalition with Labour. In my opinion it will fall off a cliff. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 07:44 - May 12 with 120 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 06:21 - May 12 by Whiterockin |
The question is when parties declare who they would form a coalition with, will the planned Plaid vote hold up if the agree to form a coalition with Labour. In my opinion it will fall off a cliff. |
Not sure you are understanding.
None will announce before election.
It could happen after election depending on results.
The progressive parties vs UKIP/Tory.
Thr voting system makes this more likely that FPTP.
There have been exceptions , but usually nobody blinks. | |
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