| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT 10:01 - May 2 with 13500 views | johnlangy |
This possibilty increases by the day. And certainly did last night. But something was said by a Reform person this morning that if they were to become the next government could result in a monumental constitutional crisis.
Imagine at the next GE Reform were to stand on a policy of leaving the ECHR. Then they are elected and produce legislation to that effect. They get it through the House of Commons and it goes to the House of Lords. There is not one Reform peer in the HOL and the vast bulk of the 850 or so peers is made up of Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem etc etc peers who would fight tooth and nail to scupper the plan.
I wonder what the public's reaction would be at seeing the 'establishment' preventing something happening that they had voted for. It is certainly something Reform would try to do and it would be refreshing in an odd sort of way (i'm not a Reform voter) to see a party actually do what they said they would do in their manifesto.
And there's the crisis. You could argue that this would be the best argument for scrapping the HOL all together. Because in this instance many would argue that democracy is broken. Others would say the HOL is part of our democracy.
Then the question is, does democracy belong to the 70 million of us or the 850 of them. |  | | |  |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 18:16 - May 15 with 1227 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 17:59 - May 15 by Gwyn737 |
One of the massive advantages Reform have is their newness.
No baggage of policies that turned out to be wrong. It’s why Farage on the surface seems to get an easy ride when interviewed - there’s nothing to hold him account to. |
Reform are new but Farage isn't. UKIP, AFL and now Reform, we know Farage. And we know that the things reform are promising they cannot do. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice (and more) shame on me.
That is my stance until Reform put a proper manifesto out. Just for clarity, who I say I'm voting for is true in that moment, I won't make my fianl decision until all the evidence is in and the day of the vote is here.
Right now, and it's the best of a bad choice, my choice is Plaid Cymru | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 18:16 - May 15 with 1220 views | Gwyn737 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 18:16 - May 15 by SullutaCreturned |
Reform are new but Farage isn't. UKIP, AFL and now Reform, we know Farage. And we know that the things reform are promising they cannot do. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice (and more) shame on me.
That is my stance until Reform put a proper manifesto out. Just for clarity, who I say I'm voting for is true in that moment, I won't make my fianl decision until all the evidence is in and the day of the vote is here.
Right now, and it's the best of a bad choice, my choice is Plaid Cymru |
If I was at home I’m pretty sure that’s where I’d be. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 21:04 - May 15 with 1172 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 18:16 - May 15 by SullutaCreturned |
Reform are new but Farage isn't. UKIP, AFL and now Reform, we know Farage. And we know that the things reform are promising they cannot do. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice (and more) shame on me.
That is my stance until Reform put a proper manifesto out. Just for clarity, who I say I'm voting for is true in that moment, I won't make my fianl decision until all the evidence is in and the day of the vote is here.
Right now, and it's the best of a bad choice, my choice is Plaid Cymru |
Exactly right.
The Brexit ‘taking back control of our borders’ soundbite is his one big promise.
Just look how it turned out.
You are right to make people think twice when dealing with Farage. |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:46 - May 16 with 1084 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 21:04 - May 15 by Kilkennyjack |
Exactly right.
The Brexit ‘taking back control of our borders’ soundbite is his one big promise.
Just look how it turned out.
You are right to make people think twice when dealing with Farage. |
Brexit is done and anyway, thanks to Trump we may have a better deal with the EU soon. This is Farage today we are talking about and he's making promises his ego cannot keep.
So I'll ask the Reform supporters on here, how is voting for something that cannot happen bringing change? Reform in Wales cannot make Farage's promises happen, it's lies. Haven't we voted liars in a few times too often?
If you want change at least try to vote for somebody decent and to my mind Rhun Ap iorwerth is the most decent candidate avaiable in a main party. If not him then I'll probably vote for an independent candidate again. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:04 - May 16 with 1062 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:46 - May 16 by SullutaCreturned |
Brexit is done and anyway, thanks to Trump we may have a better deal with the EU soon. This is Farage today we are talking about and he's making promises his ego cannot keep.
So I'll ask the Reform supporters on here, how is voting for something that cannot happen bringing change? Reform in Wales cannot make Farage's promises happen, it's lies. Haven't we voted liars in a few times too often?
If you want change at least try to vote for somebody decent and to my mind Rhun Ap iorwerth is the most decent candidate avaiable in a main party. If not him then I'll probably vote for an independent candidate again. |
Until the manifestos are out and we see the candidates it is hard to say who to vote for. One thing for sure there will be no party with an overall majority. In my opinion the two parties with the most members will be Plaid and Reform, Labour will get hammered and come in third. We will have to see closer to the time if voting Independent instead of Plaid will actually hand the election to Reform. Much is yet to be decided, all I will say is currently Plaid and Reform have the momentum. What is putting me off voting for Plaid is they are likely to do a deal with Labour to get a majority, this is a fear that others have also expressed to me. Early days yet, but the days of pinning a red rosette on a donkey and it getting voted in are gone. |  | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:17 - May 16 with 1048 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:04 - May 16 by Whiterockin |
Until the manifestos are out and we see the candidates it is hard to say who to vote for. One thing for sure there will be no party with an overall majority. In my opinion the two parties with the most members will be Plaid and Reform, Labour will get hammered and come in third. We will have to see closer to the time if voting Independent instead of Plaid will actually hand the election to Reform. Much is yet to be decided, all I will say is currently Plaid and Reform have the momentum. What is putting me off voting for Plaid is they are likely to do a deal with Labour to get a majority, this is a fear that others have also expressed to me. Early days yet, but the days of pinning a red rosette on a donkey and it getting voted in are gone. |
The polls do suggest what you are saying is right but polls can be wrong, sometimes wildly wrong.
I's rather have Labour as Plaids scapegoats than have reform. better still, Plaid get a majority and we don't have Labour or Reform near power.
I'd rather see what Plaid can achieve than have any coalition where their policies get watered (beside the indy one) down. If Plaid could actually do a good job....IF, then I guess it gives the indy debate more volume, more support. Time will tell.
It wouldn't surprise me though, if Labours vote held up more stringly than the polls suggest. At this stag, when people are unhappy, they ofteb mouth off about change but when it comes down to it I can't see many labour voters going to reform but to Plaid, yes. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:23 - May 16 with 1036 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:17 - May 16 by SullutaCreturned |
The polls do suggest what you are saying is right but polls can be wrong, sometimes wildly wrong.
I's rather have Labour as Plaids scapegoats than have reform. better still, Plaid get a majority and we don't have Labour or Reform near power.
I'd rather see what Plaid can achieve than have any coalition where their policies get watered (beside the indy one) down. If Plaid could actually do a good job....IF, then I guess it gives the indy debate more volume, more support. Time will tell.
It wouldn't surprise me though, if Labours vote held up more stringly than the polls suggest. At this stag, when people are unhappy, they ofteb mouth off about change but when it comes down to it I can't see many labour voters going to reform but to Plaid, yes. |
If the Senedd elections were a couple of years down the line I would agree with you. But with the elections next year Plaid and Reform will only gain more momentum, Westminster is not helping Welsh Labour who have made a pigs ear of governing Wales. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 21:09 - May 16 with 975 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:23 - May 16 by Whiterockin |
If the Senedd elections were a couple of years down the line I would agree with you. But with the elections next year Plaid and Reform will only gain more momentum, Westminster is not helping Welsh Labour who have made a pigs ear of governing Wales. |
Well I think that a lot of Labour voters will run scared of giving Reform a place at the table and still vote Labour.
The biggest losers are the tories, they have lost a massive chunk of votes and they won't get them back..
Labour only needs enough seats to swing a majority for Plaid, that may only be 4 or 5. | | | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 21:25 - May 16 with 953 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 21:09 - May 16 by SullutaCreturned |
Well I think that a lot of Labour voters will run scared of giving Reform a place at the table and still vote Labour.
The biggest losers are the tories, they have lost a massive chunk of votes and they won't get them back..
Labour only needs enough seats to swing a majority for Plaid, that may only be 4 or 5. |
When it comes to the crunch that is what will hit Plaid hard. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 22:01 - May 16 with 934 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 21:25 - May 16 by Whiterockin |
When it comes to the crunch that is what will hit Plaid hard. |
What does this mean ?
Tory voters will go Reform cos Tory is a toxic brand.
Labour voters will vote Plaid.
Even if - God help us - Reform are somehow the largest party, 60% of Wales will vote for the progressive parties.
Why doesn’t Farage go stay in Clacton ?
He knows nothing of Wales and cares even lesss. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 22:14 - May 16 with 909 views | raynor94 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 22:01 - May 16 by Kilkennyjack |
What does this mean ?
Tory voters will go Reform cos Tory is a toxic brand.
Labour voters will vote Plaid.
Even if - God help us - Reform are somehow the largest party, 60% of Wales will vote for the progressive parties.
Why doesn’t Farage go stay in Clacton ?
He knows nothing of Wales and cares even lesss. |
I honestly think Reform will be the largest party, Labours chickens are coming home to roost |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 22:22 - May 16 with 897 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 22:14 - May 16 by raynor94 |
I honestly think Reform will be the largest party, Labours chickens are coming home to roost |
Largest party or not Labour will come third. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 22:37 - May 16 with 880 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 22:01 - May 16 by Kilkennyjack |
What does this mean ?
Tory voters will go Reform cos Tory is a toxic brand.
Labour voters will vote Plaid.
Even if - God help us - Reform are somehow the largest party, 60% of Wales will vote for the progressive parties.
Why doesn’t Farage go stay in Clacton ?
He knows nothing of Wales and cares even lesss. |
Plaid vote was 30% down in Ystalyfera last month, your explanation is. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:40 - May 17 with 755 views | Boundy |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 22:37 - May 16 by Whiterockin |
Plaid vote was 30% down in Ystalyfera last month, your explanation is. |
At the moment it's all conjecture, Labour are openly running scared hence the current campaign by it's Welsh unelected leader promising the world , Reform are the new kids and if they can keep up this momentum into next year imo they'll thrash labour ,the 20mph debacle and subsequent scandals with Gethin has opened up the eyes of the Welsh electorate much to the cost of labour.Is Reform the answer ,who knows but one things for definite it ain't The Tory's or Labour. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 12:12 - May 17 with 724 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:40 - May 17 by Boundy |
At the moment it's all conjecture, Labour are openly running scared hence the current campaign by it's Welsh unelected leader promising the world , Reform are the new kids and if they can keep up this momentum into next year imo they'll thrash labour ,the 20mph debacle and subsequent scandals with Gethin has opened up the eyes of the Welsh electorate much to the cost of labour.Is Reform the answer ,who knows but one things for definite it ain't The Tory's or Labour. |
My gut is telling me that Plaid will be the biggest party but Labour will get enough to join them in a majority coalition. Reform will do well but not as well as expected because a lot of left leaning voters will chicken out of voting for them on the day.
Or that could just be last nights curry. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 12:29 - May 17 with 700 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 12:12 - May 17 by SullutaCreturned |
My gut is telling me that Plaid will be the biggest party but Labour will get enough to join them in a majority coalition. Reform will do well but not as well as expected because a lot of left leaning voters will chicken out of voting for them on the day.
Or that could just be last nights curry. |
The thought of Labour joining Plaid for a majority is the reason they won't get my vote, like many others. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 12:50 - May 17 with 686 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 12:29 - May 17 by Whiterockin |
The thought of Labour joining Plaid for a majority is the reason they won't get my vote, like many others. |
And the thought of reform winninhg is why it will happen. Either that or they move en masse to Plaid and they get the majority by themselves.
If Welsh people cannot give the tories a majority then surely reform has no chance. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:42 - May 17 with 657 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 12:50 - May 17 by SullutaCreturned |
And the thought of reform winninhg is why it will happen. Either that or they move en masse to Plaid and they get the majority by themselves.
If Welsh people cannot give the tories a majority then surely reform has no chance. |
Reform will not have a majority, every party will fall short. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:34 - May 17 with 608 views | Gwyn737 |
Maybe Wales will end up with the Welsh version of these:
Perhaps I’ll be proved to be wrong, but to give 2/3s of a council budget that has to be spent on adult social care and children’s services to a 19 and a 22 year old is a worry. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:37 - May 17 with 600 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:34 - May 17 by Gwyn737 |
Maybe Wales will end up with the Welsh version of these:
Perhaps I’ll be proved to be wrong, but to give 2/3s of a council budget that has to be spent on adult social care and children’s services to a 19 and a 22 year old is a worry. |
Drakeford encourages 16 year olds to vote, that is the obvious next step. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:51 - May 17 with 589 views | Gwyn737 |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:37 - May 17 by Whiterockin |
Drakeford encourages 16 year olds to vote, that is the obvious next step. |
That’s a pretty big leap from being allowed to vote at 16 (which I don’t agree with) and being in charge of hundreds of million of pounds of taxpayers money. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 17:21 - May 17 with 570 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 13:42 - May 17 by Whiterockin |
Reform will not have a majority, every party will fall short. |
I didn'tsay majority, just the thought of them winning will be enough for Labour voters. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 17:29 - May 17 with 557 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:51 - May 17 by Gwyn737 |
That’s a pretty big leap from being allowed to vote at 16 (which I don’t agree with) and being in charge of hundreds of million of pounds of taxpayers money. |
Young people complain that old people make the decisions but when they get old themselves they may see the wisdom in not giving kids too much power.
Young people can be illogical, temperamental, impatient and foolish because they lack experience.
The tipping point there is, many of our older politicians are every bit as bad. It's like they had a common sense bypass. We all make mistakes but most of us try to learn from them. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:57 - May 18 with 452 views | controversial_jack |
If they are old enough to pay taxes then they should have a voice. Age doesn't necessarily bring wisdom either | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 12:34 - May 18 with 426 views | Boundy |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:57 - May 18 by controversial_jack |
If they are old enough to pay taxes then they should have a voice. Age doesn't necessarily bring wisdom either |
O so true  | |
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