| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT 10:01 - May 2 with 16742 views | johnlangy |
This possibilty increases by the day. And certainly did last night. But something was said by a Reform person this morning that if they were to become the next government could result in a monumental constitutional crisis.
Imagine at the next GE Reform were to stand on a policy of leaving the ECHR. Then they are elected and produce legislation to that effect. They get it through the House of Commons and it goes to the House of Lords. There is not one Reform peer in the HOL and the vast bulk of the 850 or so peers is made up of Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem etc etc peers who would fight tooth and nail to scupper the plan.
I wonder what the public's reaction would be at seeing the 'establishment' preventing something happening that they had voted for. It is certainly something Reform would try to do and it would be refreshing in an odd sort of way (i'm not a Reform voter) to see a party actually do what they said they would do in their manifesto.
And there's the crisis. You could argue that this would be the best argument for scrapping the HOL all together. Because in this instance many would argue that democracy is broken. Others would say the HOL is part of our democracy.
Then the question is, does democracy belong to the 70 million of us or the 850 of them. |  | | |  |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 21:48 - Jun 26 with 1007 views | Kilkennyjack |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 18:32 - Jun 26 by SullutaCreturned |
You can't be certain that independents wouldn't agree on anything. One bonus would be a fgree vote for all and maybe they'd actually vote the way the majority of their constituents would like too.
Actually being from an area and having that local experience means they serve that aeea better too.
The way Welsh Labour have made it, we could end up with any old Tom, Dick or Harriet from anywhere, what will they know about local issues? |
Independents in Wales tend to be Tories who are tying to hide they are a Tory. |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 23:09 - Jun 26 with 945 views | majorraglan |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 21:46 - Jun 26 by Kilkennyjack |
Exactly.
Vote Reform. Vote amateur hour.
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Some don’t want 16 year olds to have a vote because they aren’t perceived to be mature, but here we’ve got a kid who’s just 2 years older in charge of a council with a £650m budget. 🤷
Not sure what exactly is going on up there, but it’s not a glowing endorsement of Reform as a functioning party of government. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 06:32 - Jun 27 with 906 views | Scotia |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 23:09 - Jun 26 by majorraglan |
Some don’t want 16 year olds to have a vote because they aren’t perceived to be mature, but here we’ve got a kid who’s just 2 years older in charge of a council with a £650m budget. 🤷
Not sure what exactly is going on up there, but it’s not a glowing endorsement of Reform as a functioning party of government. |
One man who buggered off to the Carribbean when he should have been working and another who hasn't held a single local surgery and has been to the States half of the times he's been to Clacton.
Is this the change people want? | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:37 - Jun 27 with 781 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 21:48 - Jun 26 by Kilkennyjack |
Independents in Wales tend to be Tories who are tying to hide they are a Tory. |
And you know this how? Have you direct evidence? Or is that just personal opinion?
The independent candidate I voted for 2 last time had been a Labour voter, the time before that they had been Green.
It'd be ironic in a country that "never votes Tory" if a majority of indy candidates were tories, don't you think?
I'm not saying you're wrong but is there evidence? | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:44 - Jun 27 with 776 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:37 - Jun 27 by SullutaCreturned |
And you know this how? Have you direct evidence? Or is that just personal opinion?
The independent candidate I voted for 2 last time had been a Labour voter, the time before that they had been Green.
It'd be ironic in a country that "never votes Tory" if a majority of indy candidates were tories, don't you think?
I'm not saying you're wrong but is there evidence? |
Cat what is the Senedd election process for independents next time. Is it true that each party puts forward its candidates for each seat and if the party wins one candidate in a seat, the top of the list is elected, win two and the top two for the party are elected and so on down the list. How would that work for independents. The GE is a totally different process. |  | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:57 - Jun 27 with 757 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Wales will just have to continue with the Brexit process. People say things are worse with less jobs and a shortage of labour increasing food prices. The country is now in a depressed post Brexit and Covid state.
The population has not figured out the link to Brexit and the Reform role in this disaster. A spell of Reform in Government will remedy that I would think. |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:03 - Jun 27 with 760 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:44 - Jun 27 by Whiterockin |
Cat what is the Senedd election process for independents next time. Is it true that each party puts forward its candidates for each seat and if the party wins one candidate in a seat, the top of the list is elected, win two and the top two for the party are elected and so on down the list. How would that work for independents. The GE is a totally different process. |
I don't know. I rhought you just voted for a party and they chose who got the seat but honestly when that was mentioned I stopped looking because it is a blatant attack on representative democracy. WE should choose who gets our vote, not the party.
it is my stated aim to vote for Plaid next time though. Welsh politics os turning distinctly anto democracy and the longer Labour control the Senedd the worse it's gonna get. | | | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:08 - Jun 27 with 751 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:03 - Jun 27 by SullutaCreturned |
I don't know. I rhought you just voted for a party and they chose who got the seat but honestly when that was mentioned I stopped looking because it is a blatant attack on representative democracy. WE should choose who gets our vote, not the party.
it is my stated aim to vote for Plaid next time though. Welsh politics os turning distinctly anto democracy and the longer Labour control the Senedd the worse it's gonna get. |
I'm not ruling out voting for an independent, depending on who the candidates are. But I am yet to learn the process, I understand it if you are voting for a party but not an independent. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 19:31 - Jun 27 with 705 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 16:08 - Jun 27 by Whiterockin |
I'm not ruling out voting for an independent, depending on who the candidates are. But I am yet to learn the process, I understand it if you are voting for a party but not an independent. |
It's just a name on the ballot isn't it? It may just say
labour
Tory
John Doe
Liberal dem
jane doe
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:35 - Jul 4 with 567 views | trampie |
Apparently Reform lost 2 council by-election seats last night, one to the Lib-Dems and one to the Tories, I wonder if its a sign that Reform's upward trend is coming to an end ? |  |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:11 - Jul 4 with 531 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:35 - Jul 4 by trampie |
Apparently Reform lost 2 council by-election seats last night, one to the Lib-Dems and one to the Tories, I wonder if its a sign that Reform's upward trend is coming to an end ? |
Politics is swings and roundabouts, anyone can find a headline to suit whatever they want.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4y029kv7lo | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:30 - Jul 4 with 496 views | trampie |
That is interesting because I haven't seen much discussing Reforms losses, their wins yes but not their losses, I know there are accusations that the amount of mps they have got that they get more coverage than they deserve. | |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 10:31 - Jul 4 with 491 views | trampie |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 17:45 - Jul 4 with 417 views | SullutaCreturned |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 09:35 - Jul 4 by trampie |
Apparently Reform lost 2 council by-election seats last night, one to the Lib-Dems and one to the Tories, I wonder if its a sign that Reform's upward trend is coming to an end ? |
I had a look, the tories won by 8 votes and he (the winner) said knocking on doors people said they were angry that the reform person had quit so soon because they had said they'd save money and less than a week later another 25k had to be spent on another election.
bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yl8x0818yo | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 20:17 - Jul 8 with 275 views | majorraglan |
So the question is are Reform any better? It doesn’t look that way at the moment.
One of their MP’s is now sitting as an “Independent” after The Times carried a report that 2 of his companies obtained bonds back losses totalling £70k, one is said to have had no assets or employees while the other was dormant.
If Farage is serious about being in government, he has to sort out issues like this out. | | | |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 20:28 - Jul 8 with 274 views | Dr_Winston |
Reform are a bit of a shambles. The one MP that they had who is consistently scoring points and gaining traction (Rupert Lowe), they booted because he narked Farage off.
Labour are hapless. Worse even than the Tories at their Liz Truss nadir. Badenoch is battling away but is struggling to have the social media impact of Jenrick. The rest are a joke.
As things stand the UK is f*cked. Nobody with the balls or willingness to do what needs to be done. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 08:01 - Jul 9 with 187 views | pete |
| REFORM IN GOVERNMENT on 15:04 - May 2 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
This is the natural reaction to decades of failure from the “establishment” parties. The Tory vote has collapsed and rightly so. The Labour vote is next.
Where do people go when the traditional parties promise the world, promise change, promise strength and stability but only deliver abject failure and chaos?
If anything good can come of this it’ll give them a boot up the arse at least and they start listening to the people they are allegedly representing. |
agree but i would never vote for farage as he would be a trump puppet as his comments have shown | | | |
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