| Are the rich fleeing the UK? 07:34 - May 18 with 1994 views | AnotherJohn |
The UK is in a difficult position with a combination of high public expenditure, high national debt and already high tax levels, Many say the answer is to tax the rich even more, but this too may be problematic. See the Sunday Times today:
"The Sunday Times Rich List 2025 was unveiled last week, showing not only that the number of billionaires has fallen again (to 156), but the combined wealth of the 350 entries has also declined. Today many of those Rich Listers hit out at the chancellor, Rachel Reeves, accusing her of “killing the geese that lay the golden eggs” and accelerating an exodus of wealth as she plots more tax hikes for businesses. Read what the likes of Sir James Dyson and mining billionaire Tony Langley have to say here. "
https://www.thetimes.com/business-money/economics/article/rich-list-leaders-tell [Post edited 18 May 7:36]
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| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 07:47 - May 18 with 984 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
It's obvious what the very rich do for two reasons:
Past behaviour - We've seen it here before and there is a reason why Monaco is stuffed full of very rich people.
Logic - You can buy citizenship in most countries for as little as £300K. Even the not so rich in the UK e.g. those with the cash and a decent pension are financially better off doing it.
The answer as ever is to find the sweet spot for taxation high enough to generate revenue but low enough that people are happy to pay it rather than avoid it. |  |
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| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 07:47 - May 18 with 984 views | Whiterockin |
Not only the the rich fleeing the UK. I also know of many professionals leaving to work abroad particularly NHS employees, it has always been the case, but in the circles I know it currently seems much higher. |  | | |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:03 - May 18 with 932 views | Dr_Winston |
The Laffer Curve has been a thing since the 70's. It's a basic economic fact that excessive tax rates are ultimately counter productive, but cretins like Reeves don't do basic economics, which is a bit of a downside in a Chancellor of the Exchequer. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:06 - May 18 with 911 views | Whiterockin |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:03 - May 18 by Dr_Winston |
The Laffer Curve has been a thing since the 70's. It's a basic economic fact that excessive tax rates are ultimately counter productive, but cretins like Reeves don't do basic economics, which is a bit of a downside in a Chancellor of the Exchequer. |
It probably wasn't in here brief when licking stamps. | | | |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:17 - May 18 with 891 views | Dr_Winston |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:06 - May 18 by Whiterockin |
It probably wasn't in here brief when licking stamps. |
Indeed.
The best tax rates are the ones that people are willing to pay. Charge too much and those who can will simply up sticks, leaving the entire burden on those who can't. By sticking to idiotic Socialist dogma, Reeves has ultimately made things even worse for those on lower incomes.
And that's just with her CGT grabs. The tax on employment is a double whammy of crass stupidity. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:26 - May 18 with 882 views | Togg |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:17 - May 18 by Dr_Winston |
Indeed.
The best tax rates are the ones that people are willing to pay. Charge too much and those who can will simply up sticks, leaving the entire burden on those who can't. By sticking to idiotic Socialist dogma, Reeves has ultimately made things even worse for those on lower incomes.
And that's just with her CGT grabs. The tax on employment is a double whammy of crass stupidity. |
Putting extra on business national insurance for employees contributions has it's consequences. It's just not big business but your local butcher, hairdresser, restaurant etc. What happens prices go up, job opportunities cut. Luckily I no longer employ people any longer. [Post edited 18 May 9:27]
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| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:35 - May 18 with 851 views | builthjack |
Spread the wealth. Cretins hoarding billions for what?
They can’t spend, why do they want it? |  |
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| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:39 - May 18 with 843 views | Dr_Winston |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:35 - May 18 by builthjack |
Spread the wealth. Cretins hoarding billions for what?
They can’t spend, why do they want it? |
Do you seriously believe that they're sitting on a big pile of cash like Smaug? | |
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| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:43 - May 18 with 838 views | onehunglow |
Life is nothing like fair
Right now ,Springsteen is preaching about how the poor get a raw deal
And this from somebody worth in excess of 500 million with ticket prices costing a weeks.wage
Sounds impressive though from the stage
Denis Healey tried to squeeze the rich
And failed | |
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| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:58 - May 18 with 817 views | Togg |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:43 - May 18 by onehunglow |
Life is nothing like fair
Right now ,Springsteen is preaching about how the poor get a raw deal
And this from somebody worth in excess of 500 million with ticket prices costing a weeks.wage
Sounds impressive though from the stage
Denis Healey tried to squeeze the rich
And failed |
I love Springsteen but it's easy to be a rich socialist.
It's a bit like do as I say not as I do! | | | |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 10:07 - May 18 with 807 views | controversial_jack |
if they are so what, let them go, others will take their places | | | |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 10:26 - May 18 with 800 views | Boundy |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 10:07 - May 18 by controversial_jack |
if they are so what, let them go, others will take their places |
I never knew there was a waiting list, please tell us more . | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 10:55 - May 18 with 767 views | controversial_jack |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 10:26 - May 18 by Boundy |
I never knew there was a waiting list, please tell us more . |
It's like in a football team, someone leaves and another will take their place on merit. We live in a meritocracy. I hope this helps. | | | |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 10:58 - May 18 with 761 views | raynor94 |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:06 - May 18 by Whiterockin |
It probably wasn't in here brief when licking stamps. |
Brilliant, that gave me a laugh out loud😂😂 |  |
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| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 12:30 - May 18 with 714 views | Boundy |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 10:55 - May 18 by controversial_jack |
It's like in a football team, someone leaves and another will take their place on merit. We live in a meritocracy. I hope this helps. |
But a football team has a limit and a club a squad with a limit so are you saying there's a limit to how many billionaires the UK can accommodate ? | |
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| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 12:43 - May 18 with 700 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 12:30 - May 18 by Boundy |
But a football team has a limit and a club a squad with a limit so are you saying there's a limit to how many billionaires the UK can accommodate ? |
It's not like a football team. Its about independent wealthy people making a choice about what economic environment suits them best
If they change where they live they can still run their business no matter where it is. You couldn't play for Liverpool if you didn't live in the UK for most of the year. | |
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| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 13:01 - May 18 with 678 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:39 - May 18 by Dr_Winston |
Do you seriously believe that they're sitting on a big pile of cash like Smaug? |
Besides which, when you do try to tap into their wealth they just move the money offshore, they use tax havens and that's besides all the sneaky loopholes that were put into tax law when the big accounting firms were "consulted" about the changes and wrote in the loopholes themselves, in my opinion that's what happened anyway.
I'm not sure what the sweet spot for taxation is because the hyper rich will always try to lower their payments. When you earn hundreds of millions per year I'm not sure they accept the percentage as being the same as us plebs, they just see a large number being taken. Remember a lot of very rich people, through the various schemes and loopholes, actually pay a smaller percentage than many of us plebs.The big American companies have paid hardly any tax and even had rebates some years despote billions in profits.. | | | |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 13:20 - May 18 with 658 views | controversial_jack |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 12:30 - May 18 by Boundy |
But a football team has a limit and a club a squad with a limit so are you saying there's a limit to how many billionaires the UK can accommodate ? |
Footballers, when they get successful, they can move to another team or even another country, and as long as their successors are good enough they will succeed too.
I would too if i was rich enough and didn't have the family ties. Not sure exactly where, but it would have good weather | | | |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 14:39 - May 18 with 631 views | Boundy |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 13:20 - May 18 by controversial_jack |
Footballers, when they get successful, they can move to another team or even another country, and as long as their successors are good enough they will succeed too.
I would too if i was rich enough and didn't have the family ties. Not sure exactly where, but it would have good weather |
Thank you for that concise explanation although it hadn't nothing to do with the question I asked .No need to respond | |
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| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 14:46 - May 18 with 630 views | Gwyn737 |
I’m not sure where we go from here.
There may have been some mega rich moving away, but the number living in poverty has soared.
We’re told we can’t tax the super rich, rich pensioners or rich farmers, but there’s not a lot of money floating around for those who are not wealthy.
Where’s the money going to come from? | | | |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 14:51 - May 18 with 628 views | Boundy |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 14:46 - May 18 by Gwyn737 |
I’m not sure where we go from here.
There may have been some mega rich moving away, but the number living in poverty has soared.
We’re told we can’t tax the super rich, rich pensioners or rich farmers, but there’s not a lot of money floating around for those who are not wealthy.
Where’s the money going to come from? |
A novel idea would a complete reform of the benefits system ,reform the NHS , dispose of bogus job titles , stop sending tax payers money abroad , get rid of the house of lords ,there is plenty of money it's just being spent and wasted . | |
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| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 14:53 - May 18 with 626 views | Gwyn737 |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 14:51 - May 18 by Boundy |
A novel idea would a complete reform of the benefits system ,reform the NHS , dispose of bogus job titles , stop sending tax payers money abroad , get rid of the house of lords ,there is plenty of money it's just being spent and wasted . |
I agree with most of those, I’m not sure it would be enough though. | | | |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 15:05 - May 18 with 605 views | controversial_jack |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 14:39 - May 18 by Boundy |
Thank you for that concise explanation although it hadn't nothing to do with the question I asked .No need to respond |
I knew you wouldn't get the concept of a meritocracy | | | |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 15:14 - May 18 with 592 views | builthjack |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 09:39 - May 18 by Dr_Winston |
Do you seriously believe that they're sitting on a big pile of cash like Smaug? |
I doubt they deal in cash. | |
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| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 17:29 - May 18 with 540 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Are the rich fleeing the UK? on 14:51 - May 18 by Boundy |
A novel idea would a complete reform of the benefits system ,reform the NHS , dispose of bogus job titles , stop sending tax payers money abroad , get rid of the house of lords ,there is plenty of money it's just being spent and wasted . |
The first thing households and businesses tend to do when under pressure is cut out unnecessary spending and review the likely returns on investment projects started or planned.
The Government needs to be clear about the principles it uses to identify value in it's decision making. Right now I have no idea what decisions are based on. | |
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