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Wow, he was so different to how I thought he would be.
Didn't come over as a bad egg, said he wanted to stay at QPR after the playoff, but wasn't allowed.
I think he just had bad advisors and a poor group of friends. I reckon Uncle Neil could have got the best out of him with some time
Same.
I got the impression, that managers scapegoated him a bit.
Only one side of the story obviously, but Allardyce telling him he can look after his dying mum then using it against him with his team mates when form turned bad seemed quite shitty.
I got the impression, that managers scapegoated him a bit.
Only one side of the story obviously, but Allardyce telling him he can look after his dying mum then using it against him with his team mates when form turned bad seemed quite shitty.
[Post edited 20 May 10:00]
Wasn't it well know that Allardyce "fell out" with any players who wouldn't use "his" agent?
Greedy bstard seems to want to get paid two ways for any deal they organise!
Obviously really misguided and stupid off the pitch , but I thought he was a fantastic footballer . The disciplined performance in the playoff semi protecting Young suk Young , the goals that he scored .. a chance to go right to the top wasted
Which I think is mainly down to a lack of too much going on between the ears. If you're creative and busy with your creativity, addiction tends to be less of a thing. Footballers tend to get bored a lot when they're not training or playing because they're usually not very bright or mentally eventful. What counts in life is having an inner life so that all the nonsense and evil of the world - what Sartre called the hell of other people - can slide off you rather than f*cking up your intrinsic vision and style.
Which I think is mainly down to a lack of too much going on between the ears. If you're creative and busy with your creativity, addiction tends to be less of a thing. Footballers tend to get bored a lot when they're not training or playing because they're usually not very bright or mentally eventful. What counts in life is having an inner life so that all the nonsense and evil of the world - what Sartre called the hell of other people - can slide off you rather than f*cking up your intrinsic vision and style.
So much to disagree with there I don't know where to begin.
You seem to have some very elitist prejudices towards footballers, and probably video games too.
I went to the sort of school where you were as likely to end up in prison as go to university. Despite that I did go to university.
Along the way I have met many very smart and successful people who don't have much in the way of academic qualifications,
I also know a fair few highly qualified people who couldn't find their arse with both hands if you didn't give them a self-help book telling them how to do it.
So yeah, most footballers don't have much in the way of formal education. Doesn't mean they're not intelligent.
You also seem to have some ill-informed ideas about addiction.
It's not hard to find plenty of articles online suggesting that there is a correlation between addiction and high intelligence.
"Addiction is a complex issue that has multiple influences, including intelligence. Many specialists have considered the connection between addiction and intelligence, trying to gauge how they are related. The results of various studies have been surprising: high intelligence has been more commonly linked to addiction, rather than low intelligence. But why?"
So much to disagree with there I don't know where to begin.
You seem to have some very elitist prejudices towards footballers, and probably video games too.
I went to the sort of school where you were as likely to end up in prison as go to university. Despite that I did go to university.
Along the way I have met many very smart and successful people who don't have much in the way of academic qualifications,
I also know a fair few highly qualified people who couldn't find their arse with both hands if you didn't give them a self-help book telling them how to do it.
So yeah, most footballers don't have much in the way of formal education. Doesn't mean they're not intelligent.
You also seem to have some ill-informed ideas about addiction.
It's not hard to find plenty of articles online suggesting that there is a correlation between addiction and high intelligence.
"Addiction is a complex issue that has multiple influences, including intelligence. Many specialists have considered the connection between addiction and intelligence, trying to gauge how they are related. The results of various studies have been surprising: high intelligence has been more commonly linked to addiction, rather than low intelligence. But why?"
[Post edited 23 May 12:21]
Who said anything about academic qualifications? You're misreading what I wrote. Although I have one or two such certifications, if anything, I agree with Julie Burchill that too much education can make you stupid.
However, I stand by my general remarks correlating boredom, addiction, and the (lack of) inner life. If you feel unswayed by them, no problem.
So much to disagree with there I don't know where to begin.
You seem to have some very elitist prejudices towards footballers, and probably video games too.
I went to the sort of school where you were as likely to end up in prison as go to university. Despite that I did go to university.
Along the way I have met many very smart and successful people who don't have much in the way of academic qualifications,
I also know a fair few highly qualified people who couldn't find their arse with both hands if you didn't give them a self-help book telling them how to do it.
So yeah, most footballers don't have much in the way of formal education. Doesn't mean they're not intelligent.
You also seem to have some ill-informed ideas about addiction.
It's not hard to find plenty of articles online suggesting that there is a correlation between addiction and high intelligence.
"Addiction is a complex issue that has multiple influences, including intelligence. Many specialists have considered the connection between addiction and intelligence, trying to gauge how they are related. The results of various studies have been surprising: high intelligence has been more commonly linked to addiction, rather than low intelligence. But why?"
Which I think is mainly down to a lack of too much going on between the ears. If you're creative and busy with your creativity, addiction tends to be less of a thing. Footballers tend to get bored a lot when they're not training or playing because they're usually not very bright or mentally eventful. What counts in life is having an inner life so that all the nonsense and evil of the world - what Sartre called the hell of other people - can slide off you rather than f*cking up your intrinsic vision and style.
Some of the things you say are dreadful
What an over generalisation to say footballers are not very bright
All sorts of people play football.
Some are very intelligent and some are not.
You do seem to have such a lack of understanding of human decency and seem to have a dislike of people.
I feel sorry for you
Being friendly and kind is extremely important in life but you have none of this.
As said all kinds of people play professional football. Your attitudes show that you experience life looking in from afar on your own.
Instead of considering the hell of other people why not consider their nice side which apart from the worst in society, everyone has within them.
What an over generalisation to say footballers are not very bright
All sorts of people play football.
Some are very intelligent and some are not.
You do seem to have such a lack of understanding of human decency and seem to have a dislike of people.
I feel sorry for you
Being friendly and kind is extremely important in life but you have none of this.
As said all kinds of people play professional football. Your attitudes show that you experience life looking in from afar on your own.
Instead of considering the hell of other people why not consider their nice side which apart from the worst in society, everyone has within them.
[Post edited 9 Jun 4:16]
The amusing/ironic thing is you yourself sound very much the kind of priggish, moralising, judgmental bore who doubtless thinks of himself as a nice guy. Meanwhile, you're quite right, I'm sure. The likes of thinking types like Pat Nevin, Graeme le Saux, and Eric Cantona are as representatative as any of the footballing workplace, the devil never makes work for idle hands to do, and that nauighty Jean-Paul Sartre was a demon in our midst.
Who said anything about academic qualifications? You're misreading what I wrote. Although I have one or two such certifications, if anything, I agree with Julie Burchill that too much education can make you stupid.
However, I stand by my general remarks correlating boredom, addiction, and the (lack of) inner life. If you feel unswayed by them, no problem.
Interesting point but you are ignoring all those creative types who justify their own addictions by claiming it makes them more creative.
And since you have so much misplaced regard for Jean-Paul Sartre (most serious thinkers believe Simone De Beauvoir to be the real brains of that outfit) you might enjoy this account of Sartre's own ill-advised dabbling with mescaline:
Who said anything about academic qualifications? You're misreading what I wrote. Although I have one or two such certifications, if anything, I agree with Julie Burchill that too much education can make you stupid.
However, I stand by my general remarks correlating boredom, addiction, and the (lack of) inner life. If you feel unswayed by them, no problem.
this is an interesting tell given Julie Birchill is one of the stupidest people i'm aware of
“The thing about football - the important thing about football - is that it is not just about football.â€
Who said anything about academic qualifications? You're misreading what I wrote. Although I have one or two such certifications, if anything, I agree with Julie Burchill that too much education can make you stupid.
However, I stand by my general remarks correlating boredom, addiction, and the (lack of) inner life. If you feel unswayed by them, no problem.
I'm not sure about that. Most intelligent people would look for some sort of evidence for their opinions. Let's look at the evidence for formal education and its impact on IQ where evidence suggests the opposite is true with every year adding between 1-5 points. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6088505/
Interesting point but you are ignoring all those creative types who justify their own addictions by claiming it makes them more creative.
And since you have so much misplaced regard for Jean-Paul Sartre (most serious thinkers believe Simone De Beauvoir to be the real brains of that outfit) you might enjoy this account of Sartre's own ill-advised dabbling with mescaline:
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