| Winter fuel allowance 13:07 - May 21 with 1992 views | raynor94 |
Has now seen Starmer reversing again, surely Rachel from accounts should step aside. |  |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 13:14 - May 21 with 1162 views | AnotherJohn |
Difficult decisions ahead as to how this will work. The Government could just return to the status quo ante, but would then have to find the money. They are probably thinking of means testing with a higher threshold then the present eligibility level, but that often costs almost as much as is saved. |  | | |
| Winter fuel allowance on 13:16 - May 21 with 1162 views | Flashberryjack |
Starmer doesn't know whether he want's a sh*t or a haircut, bumbling from one policy to another. |  |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 13:41 - May 21 with 1127 views | controversial_jack |
| Winter fuel allowance on 13:16 - May 21 by Flashberryjack |
Starmer doesn't know whether he want's a sh*t or a haircut, bumbling from one policy to another. |
At least he has policies. Contrast that with Reforms empty words | | | |
| Winter fuel allowance on 14:00 - May 21 with 1112 views | Flashberryjack |
| Winter fuel allowance on 13:41 - May 21 by controversial_jack |
At least he has policies. Contrast that with Reforms empty words |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 14:50 - May 21 with 1092 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Winter fuel allowance on 13:16 - May 21 by Flashberryjack |
Starmer doesn't know whether he want's a sh*t or a haircut, bumbling from one policy to another. |
When will this happen - don't know
Who will be impacted - don't know
How will the change be made - don't know
What is the change - don't know |  |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 16:24 - May 21 with 1049 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Winter fuel allowance on 13:41 - May 21 by controversial_jack |
At least he has policies. Contrast that with Reforms empty words |
He has no policies. He just makes them up according to the way the wind of public opinion blows. Starmer does not have clue what his labour principles are. | |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 18:09 - May 21 with 1015 views | max936 |
| Winter fuel allowance on 13:14 - May 21 by AnotherJohn |
Difficult decisions ahead as to how this will work. The Government could just return to the status quo ante, but would then have to find the money. They are probably thinking of means testing with a higher threshold then the present eligibility level, but that often costs almost as much as is saved. |
More and more higher taxes, savings will take a battering through taxes as well, inflation as gone up because of Reeves incompetencies in borrowing and borrowing, lets face it this government has been a disaster absolutely clueless and totally out of their depth.
Starmer continues in giving our wealth away, illegal immigration out of control and he's selling the country out to the EU.
Its not gonna get better either. |  |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 18:15 - May 21 with 1002 views | Whiterockin |
Reform winning Runcorn has put the fear of God into Labour. |  | | |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 18:26 - May 21 with 988 views | max936 |
| Winter fuel allowance on 18:15 - May 21 by Whiterockin |
Reform winning Runcorn has put the fear of God into Labour. |
If anyone thinks Reform are the answer, it just proves the desperation for massive changes needed in the political landscape of this country. | |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 18:43 - May 21 with 978 views | controversial_jack |
| Winter fuel allowance on 16:24 - May 21 by felixstowe_jack |
He has no policies. He just makes them up according to the way the wind of public opinion blows. Starmer does not have clue what his labour principles are. |
Labour has a manifesto with clear policies | | | |
| Winter fuel allowance on 21:58 - May 21 with 925 views | Boundy |
| Winter fuel allowance on 18:26 - May 21 by max936 |
If anyone thinks Reform are the answer, it just proves the desperation for massive changes needed in the political landscape of this country. |
And if anyone thinks labour ,Tories or the liberals have the answer need committing. | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 22:08 - May 21 with 916 views | Dr_Winston |
The reforms to WFA, whilst vaguely correct, were so poorly implemented with the barest minimum of actual thought it's not a shock to see the U turn.
Realistically the Government will need to hammer working age benefits. There are far too many people in receipt of benefits who could potentially work who don't, and currently there are no serious methods in place to force them to do so.
There are also far too many people who have absolutely no intention of working and not enough will from Government to cut them off from benefits as a result. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 22:20 - May 21 with 900 views | majorraglan |
| Winter fuel allowance on 22:08 - May 21 by Dr_Winston |
The reforms to WFA, whilst vaguely correct, were so poorly implemented with the barest minimum of actual thought it's not a shock to see the U turn.
Realistically the Government will need to hammer working age benefits. There are far too many people in receipt of benefits who could potentially work who don't, and currently there are no serious methods in place to force them to do so.
There are also far too many people who have absolutely no intention of working and not enough will from Government to cut them off from benefits as a result. |
100%.
The WFA definitely needed to be changed from a universal payment to all pensioners and needed to be targeted at only those who needed it, but it’s been clumsily implemented. One of the guys I occasionally see down the pub is a retired police officer (Superintendent I believe) while his wife is a retired teacher, they are both in receipt of state pension and employment pensions and I believe they must be on close to £100k pa if not more, they don’t need the WFA. A pensioner on £1 above the pension credit threshold gets nothing, despite the fact they’ve probably been caned by the council tax and water rates etc.
We need to get the work shy off the dole and in to work, if they can’t be bothered then we need to revisit their payments and make them work for whatever they get. [Post edited 22 May 18:26]
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| Winter fuel allowance on 22:28 - May 21 with 899 views | Dr_Winston |
| Winter fuel allowance on 22:20 - May 21 by majorraglan |
100%.
The WFA definitely needed to be changed from a universal payment to all pensioners and needed to be targeted at only those who needed it, but it’s been clumsily implemented. One of the guys I occasionally see down the pub is a retired police officer (Superintendent I believe) while his wife is a retired teacher, they are both in receipt of state pension and employment pensions and I believe they must be on close to £100k pa if not more, they don’t need the WFA. A pensioner on £1 above the pension credit threshold gets nothing, despite the fact they’ve probably been caned by the council tax and water rates etc.
We need to get the work shy off the dole and in to work, if they can’t be bothered then we need to revisit their payments and make them work for whatever they get. [Post edited 22 May 18:26]
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I've said this here before, and got lambasted for it, but it's an inevitability that the State Pension will ultimately become means tested. The alternative is that nobody will be able to claim it before they're 75.
My own personal belief is that all state payments, other than those that are contribution based, should be means tested. Pension, PIP, UC, Child Benefit, the lot of them. All state payments should also be far more robustly administered and paid. That it isn't at the moment is down to policy rather than staff. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 23:15 - May 21 with 879 views | max936 |
| Winter fuel allowance on 21:58 - May 21 by Boundy |
And if anyone thinks labour ,Tories or the liberals have the answer need committing. |
I'd trust the monster raving lunatic party before I'd trust any of the others  | |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 03:13 - May 22 with 826 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Winter fuel allowance on 21:58 - May 21 by Boundy |
And if anyone thinks labour ,Tories or the liberals have the answer need committing. |
But especially Reform …. |  |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 07:57 - May 22 with 768 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Yesterday Starmer said that he could reverse the WFA decision because the economic position was improving, today borrowing is above plan! [Post edited 22 May 8:21]
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| Winter fuel allowance on 09:58 - May 22 with 713 views | onehunglow |
Means testing
I believe those who work and save all their lives for old age should not be penalised for doing so and being self sufficient costing society on the way nowt
On other hand, those that refuse to work , procreate others to do the same then expect those who have paid to provide for them get less | |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 22:08 - May 22 with 590 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Winter fuel allowance on 09:58 - May 22 by onehunglow |
Means testing
I believe those who work and save all their lives for old age should not be penalised for doing so and being self sufficient costing society on the way nowt
On other hand, those that refuse to work , procreate others to do the same then expect those who have paid to provide for them get less |
If you look at the cost of care in old age the reverse is true. My old man ran his own business, saved, owned his own house etc. When he needed care his final bill was £600,000 which he paid himself.
The guy in the next room, hardly worked at all in his life and had all his fees paid.
People say we need a wealth tax! | |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 22:57 - May 22 with 580 views | Gwyn737 |
| Winter fuel allowance on 22:08 - May 22 by JACKMANANDBOY |
If you look at the cost of care in old age the reverse is true. My old man ran his own business, saved, owned his own house etc. When he needed care his final bill was £600,000 which he paid himself.
The guy in the next room, hardly worked at all in his life and had all his fees paid.
People say we need a wealth tax! |
Now that is infuriating. | | | |
| Winter fuel allowance on 00:04 - May 23 with 555 views | onehunglow |
| Winter fuel allowance on 22:08 - May 22 by JACKMANANDBOY |
If you look at the cost of care in old age the reverse is true. My old man ran his own business, saved, owned his own house etc. When he needed care his final bill was £600,000 which he paid himself.
The guy in the next room, hardly worked at all in his life and had all his fees paid.
People say we need a wealth tax! |
It stinks
Yours a perfect example of how unfair we are
We actually look to punish those who work and care for the feckless all their miserable selfish lives | |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 10:28 - May 23 with 466 views | Togg |
| Winter fuel allowance on 22:08 - May 22 by JACKMANANDBOY |
If you look at the cost of care in old age the reverse is true. My old man ran his own business, saved, owned his own house etc. When he needed care his final bill was £600,000 which he paid himself.
The guy in the next room, hardly worked at all in his life and had all his fees paid.
People say we need a wealth tax! |
For my father currently he is paying close on 7 k a month.
They had the temerity to put it up £600 a month at the start of the year. He with my late mother worked tirelessly and brought up 5 of us. | | | |
| Winter fuel allowance on 11:58 - May 23 with 431 views | swan65split |
Interesting points on QT last night
scrap triple lock,
pension to be looked at!
pensioner who cant afford to heat their homes that may to big for 1 or 2 people to downsize!!!.....to what?....so due to housong crisis their houses can go to someone else!
hmmm even though they may have worked/struggled etc for it, and like some paid income tax in the 70s of what 30 % ask these do gooders to pay an extar few pence more on tax and God forbid! |  | | |
| Winter fuel allowance on 13:12 - May 23 with 396 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Winter fuel allowance on 22:08 - May 21 by Dr_Winston |
The reforms to WFA, whilst vaguely correct, were so poorly implemented with the barest minimum of actual thought it's not a shock to see the U turn.
Realistically the Government will need to hammer working age benefits. There are far too many people in receipt of benefits who could potentially work who don't, and currently there are no serious methods in place to force them to do so.
There are also far too many people who have absolutely no intention of working and not enough will from Government to cut them off from benefits as a result. |
That would be the right thing to do but those millions of people of working age who are receiving benefits are also the people who traditionally vote Labour and are also the people who are now switching to reform. If Labour were to hammer them it would be the final nail in the coffin. |  |
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| Winter fuel allowance on 13:18 - May 23 with 387 views | onehunglow |
| Winter fuel allowance on 13:12 - May 23 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
That would be the right thing to do but those millions of people of working age who are receiving benefits are also the people who traditionally vote Labour and are also the people who are now switching to reform. If Labour were to hammer them it would be the final nail in the coffin. |
I believe there are two main paths people can choose
1. Work and be self sufficient
2 Not work and simply allow , may demand, the State looks after you and family
Countless thousands don't work but demand free care when no longer able to live independently
If better not mention girls looking to get a house vis a vis getting pregnant by anyone willing to
Committed families should be the backbone of this country
It's not the case | |
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