| QPR Women 16:39 - May 29 with 4001 views | JezHoops |
With Hayley Peacock and Kasha Pettit (being?) moved on and most of the squad being released are those in charge abandoning our women’s team or does CN have a master plan for them. I hope it isn’t the former. They might not be a source of income for the club, but they are an important sign of a community-minded and inclusive club.
It isn’t a subject covered much here, but it would be a shame for QPR to be going backwards in an area that is growing rapidly in popularity . |  | | |  |
| QPR Women on 09:14 - May 30 with 1464 views | terryb |
| QPR Women on 07:23 - May 30 by GosportHoops |
I'm not on Facebook and I certainly wasn't ranting, I've said i think it's great people get enjoyment out of it it's great young girls are participating more and getting exercise, making friends learning a skill etc etc etc I think it's all great my point was in spite of all that wonderful stuff people still haven't got the same depth of irrational (in a good sense) love for the ladies game, how you've managed to think I sit in a string vest drinking Stella ranting on Facebook kind of proves my point! Pretty sure women have played football for decades why all of a sudden the push?? When was QPR ladies formed |
Queens Park Rangers current ladies team was formed in 2001.
There was an earlier version that was formed in 1969 & reached three consectutive finals of the FA Womens Cup, all against Southampton, winning the middle one of these.
I remember watching Doncaster Belles (then the top side) winning the FA Womens Cup at Loftus Road on the artificial pitch. The game was played at lunchtime & was followed by a Rangers league match. | | | |
| QPR Women on 10:33 - May 30 with 1332 views | stowmarketrange |
| QPR Women on 09:14 - May 30 by terryb |
Queens Park Rangers current ladies team was formed in 2001.
There was an earlier version that was formed in 1969 & reached three consectutive finals of the FA Womens Cup, all against Southampton, winning the middle one of these.
I remember watching Doncaster Belles (then the top side) winning the FA Womens Cup at Loftus Road on the artificial pitch. The game was played at lunchtime & was followed by a Rangers league match. |
And Doncaster Belles were thrown out of the league to let bigger clubs get in.Shameful. |  | | |
| QPR Women on 10:47 - May 30 with 1292 views | joe90 |
| QPR Women on 21:34 - May 29 by GosportHoops |
Does anyone genuinely give a monkeys about the women's team? |
Obviously most people don't, but the women's game is growing and as a professional football club we should be part of that.
What we should be doing for the women's team is learning from the London City Lionesses and using our resources/money to focus on women specific aspects of the game and not just trying to replicate the men's model.
Interestingly, QPR women's were the first London club to win the FA Cup. |  | | |
| QPR Women on 10:54 - May 30 with 1287 views | aston_hoop |
Pleased to see the club taking the women's team seriously, especially in a world where the likes of Wolves, Blackburn and of course super cash rich Manchester Utd are throwing their women's teams under the bus. Will be at the Spain v England game on Tuesday night as its local to me and at the Euros this summer too, England v France and England v Netherlands. Should be good |  |
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| QPR Women on 11:21 - May 30 with 1225 views | stowmarketrange |
| QPR Women on 10:54 - May 30 by aston_hoop |
Pleased to see the club taking the women's team seriously, especially in a world where the likes of Wolves, Blackburn and of course super cash rich Manchester Utd are throwing their women's teams under the bus. Will be at the Spain v England game on Tuesday night as its local to me and at the Euros this summer too, England v France and England v Netherlands. Should be good |
I managed to get England v France tickets too.I also got the two QF that England could make and the SF that England can’t.
I’m looking at a rail pass that allows me to travel via Eurostar to Zurich,Perpignan,Basel,Venice and finally Geneva for the 22nd.Eurostar home on the 23rd. | | | |
| QPR Women on 13:08 - May 30 with 1123 views | BrizR |
| QPR Women on 07:23 - May 30 by GosportHoops |
I'm not on Facebook and I certainly wasn't ranting, I've said i think it's great people get enjoyment out of it it's great young girls are participating more and getting exercise, making friends learning a skill etc etc etc I think it's all great my point was in spite of all that wonderful stuff people still haven't got the same depth of irrational (in a good sense) love for the ladies game, how you've managed to think I sit in a string vest drinking Stella ranting on Facebook kind of proves my point! Pretty sure women have played football for decades why all of a sudden the push?? When was QPR ladies formed |
"Why all of a sudden the push" is a question with two answers.
Yes, part of it is the social agenda. This stuff isn't nefarious. Women have played football pretty much as long as men have, but that doesn't mean they've been equally treated. Men's football is a gigantic global product with squillions invested in it; on the grassroots side, there's boys teams at every conceivable youth level. When I was growing up there was nothing like that for girls; we played mixed up to under 11s, but after that the leagues were segregated. That worked fine for the boys who could play youth leagues all the way through to adulthood. The girls were told to find another club.
It's easy to shrug and say well, women don't want to play football anyway, but that's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Plenty of women like sports and plenty of them participate in sports that have structures that welcome them. There's no reason that women should play netball and hockey and tennis but not football or rugby or cricket, except that they're treated well in the former and not in the latter.
All that's changed now is that people are actively trying to create for women the kind of structures - the clubs, the leagues, the youth coaching - that already exist for men, and are treating women's success as being valid in its own right. Active work takes effort, and creates noise, which is what you notice.
"Love for the game" is a red herring; people don't love what doesn't exist. There has to be a game to love first. That stuff has been growing, but it's not like millions of people in their 40s and 50s and 60s are going to all have Damascene conversions to follow the women's game; it's the kids today who'll grow up with a world where women's football is taken seriously who'll be the ones who have a lifelong passion for it.
Putting that stuff aside, the second point is a commercial one. Women's football is a much smaller market than men's. It's much cheaper to get into and much cheaper to get the TV rights and all of that kind of thing. The last round of PL rights went for £4.5bn; the recent WSL rights cost £65m. For a tiny fraction of the cost you can get more games to show; once you've got the product, you're damn well going to promote it to get a return on that investment.
From an investor point of view, I'm surprised more of them aren't putting money into the women's game. Look at QPR. Our owners are more or less stuck on the men's side; PSR prevents them splashing cash to get promoted, and working within its bounds traps us in the lower reaches of the Championship. Clubs can, over the long haul, dig themselves out of that, but they need to be smart and lucky, and even then you can be Bristol City and find gems at youth level and sell them for £20m each and finally squeak into the playoffs and then get blown out 6-0 on aggregate by a club with parachute payments. If you're lighting money on fire either way, why not spend some of it on the women's side where you'll get a lot more for the cash and might actually win something? | | | |
| QPR Women on 13:34 - May 30 with 1077 views | QPRKirty |
Nicely articulated BrizR, 100% agree. |  | | |
| QPR Women on 13:58 - May 30 with 1034 views | GosportHoops |
| QPR Women on 13:08 - May 30 by BrizR |
"Why all of a sudden the push" is a question with two answers.
Yes, part of it is the social agenda. This stuff isn't nefarious. Women have played football pretty much as long as men have, but that doesn't mean they've been equally treated. Men's football is a gigantic global product with squillions invested in it; on the grassroots side, there's boys teams at every conceivable youth level. When I was growing up there was nothing like that for girls; we played mixed up to under 11s, but after that the leagues were segregated. That worked fine for the boys who could play youth leagues all the way through to adulthood. The girls were told to find another club.
It's easy to shrug and say well, women don't want to play football anyway, but that's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Plenty of women like sports and plenty of them participate in sports that have structures that welcome them. There's no reason that women should play netball and hockey and tennis but not football or rugby or cricket, except that they're treated well in the former and not in the latter.
All that's changed now is that people are actively trying to create for women the kind of structures - the clubs, the leagues, the youth coaching - that already exist for men, and are treating women's success as being valid in its own right. Active work takes effort, and creates noise, which is what you notice.
"Love for the game" is a red herring; people don't love what doesn't exist. There has to be a game to love first. That stuff has been growing, but it's not like millions of people in their 40s and 50s and 60s are going to all have Damascene conversions to follow the women's game; it's the kids today who'll grow up with a world where women's football is taken seriously who'll be the ones who have a lifelong passion for it.
Putting that stuff aside, the second point is a commercial one. Women's football is a much smaller market than men's. It's much cheaper to get into and much cheaper to get the TV rights and all of that kind of thing. The last round of PL rights went for £4.5bn; the recent WSL rights cost £65m. For a tiny fraction of the cost you can get more games to show; once you've got the product, you're damn well going to promote it to get a return on that investment.
From an investor point of view, I'm surprised more of them aren't putting money into the women's game. Look at QPR. Our owners are more or less stuck on the men's side; PSR prevents them splashing cash to get promoted, and working within its bounds traps us in the lower reaches of the Championship. Clubs can, over the long haul, dig themselves out of that, but they need to be smart and lucky, and even then you can be Bristol City and find gems at youth level and sell them for £20m each and finally squeak into the playoffs and then get blown out 6-0 on aggregate by a club with parachute payments. If you're lighting money on fire either way, why not spend some of it on the women's side where you'll get a lot more for the cash and might actually win something? |
Some excellent points and brilliantly put, appreciate your reply and the depth of your answer |  | | |
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| QPR Women on 14:03 - May 30 with 1027 views | GosportHoops |
| QPR Women on 13:08 - May 30 by BrizR |
"Why all of a sudden the push" is a question with two answers.
Yes, part of it is the social agenda. This stuff isn't nefarious. Women have played football pretty much as long as men have, but that doesn't mean they've been equally treated. Men's football is a gigantic global product with squillions invested in it; on the grassroots side, there's boys teams at every conceivable youth level. When I was growing up there was nothing like that for girls; we played mixed up to under 11s, but after that the leagues were segregated. That worked fine for the boys who could play youth leagues all the way through to adulthood. The girls were told to find another club.
It's easy to shrug and say well, women don't want to play football anyway, but that's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Plenty of women like sports and plenty of them participate in sports that have structures that welcome them. There's no reason that women should play netball and hockey and tennis but not football or rugby or cricket, except that they're treated well in the former and not in the latter.
All that's changed now is that people are actively trying to create for women the kind of structures - the clubs, the leagues, the youth coaching - that already exist for men, and are treating women's success as being valid in its own right. Active work takes effort, and creates noise, which is what you notice.
"Love for the game" is a red herring; people don't love what doesn't exist. There has to be a game to love first. That stuff has been growing, but it's not like millions of people in their 40s and 50s and 60s are going to all have Damascene conversions to follow the women's game; it's the kids today who'll grow up with a world where women's football is taken seriously who'll be the ones who have a lifelong passion for it.
Putting that stuff aside, the second point is a commercial one. Women's football is a much smaller market than men's. It's much cheaper to get into and much cheaper to get the TV rights and all of that kind of thing. The last round of PL rights went for £4.5bn; the recent WSL rights cost £65m. For a tiny fraction of the cost you can get more games to show; once you've got the product, you're damn well going to promote it to get a return on that investment.
From an investor point of view, I'm surprised more of them aren't putting money into the women's game. Look at QPR. Our owners are more or less stuck on the men's side; PSR prevents them splashing cash to get promoted, and working within its bounds traps us in the lower reaches of the Championship. Clubs can, over the long haul, dig themselves out of that, but they need to be smart and lucky, and even then you can be Bristol City and find gems at youth level and sell them for £20m each and finally squeak into the playoffs and then get blown out 6-0 on aggregate by a club with parachute payments. If you're lighting money on fire either way, why not spend some of it on the women's side where you'll get a lot more for the cash and might actually win something? |
Some excellent points and brilliantly put, appreciate your reply and the depth of your answer | | | |
| QPR Women on 15:06 - May 30 with 941 views | derbyhoop |
In Australia the women's game seems to be thriving. My daughter in law is President of the local club who run women's teams at all levels. There's considerable support for The Matildas, the women's senior international team. |  |
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| QPR Women on 16:25 - May 30 with 885 views | DavieQPR |
The womens team was bought in house and able to use the training ground to stem the financial loss. Maybe this is another cost cutting exercise. Attendance is low with a lot of comp tickets. |  | | |
| QPR Women on 21:34 - May 30 with 750 views | stowmarketrange |
Our Chloe has scored the sixth goal for England at Wembley tonight.She’s definitely one of our own.
She has shown what can be achieved by starting out in our girls team.Just a shame that she had to leave to further her career. | | | |
| QPR Women on 21:43 - May 30 with 740 views | aston_hoop |
| QPR Women on 21:34 - May 30 by stowmarketrange |
Our Chloe has scored the sixth goal for England at Wembley tonight.She’s definitely one of our own.
She has shown what can be achieved by starting out in our girls team.Just a shame that she had to leave to further her career. |
Probably gonna wear the hoops on Tuesday night though and spend 90 minutes singing 'Chloe Kelly, she's one of our own' | |
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| QPR Women on 23:00 - May 30 with 675 views | loftboy |
| QPR Women on 21:43 - May 30 by aston_hoop |
Probably gonna wear the hoops on Tuesday night though and spend 90 minutes singing 'Chloe Kelly, she's one of our own' |
Circa 1991 I was reffing a Hounslow league game at the white lodge sports ground in Ealing, on the next pitch QPR ladies were playing Arsenal, there was a rope around the pitch and that was it facilities wise! So the game has come on leaps and bounds.
Only thing I can’t understand is that on the sky football app, the WSL is listed before the championship, no way is it ahead of the championship in any way or form.
Bloke in my local has a season ticket for spurs women, it’s an OAP ticket and costs £35, so I do wonder if all the WSL clubs are similar then the crowds which as a whole aren’t massive what they would be if the charged similar to the men’s game? |  |
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| QPR Women on 23:39 - May 30 with 657 views | SydneyRs |
| QPR Women on 15:06 - May 30 by derbyhoop |
In Australia the women's game seems to be thriving. My daughter in law is President of the local club who run women's teams at all levels. There's considerable support for The Matildas, the women's senior international team. |
It's a bit different here where the media has always sought to keep the men's game down, as they see it as a threat to their preferred winter sports of rugby league and AFL.
They seem to see football as far more acceptable for women and the Matildas are widely publicised whereas the men only really get that attention when the world cup is on.
Part of it is I think they like to be seen as a top sporting nation and given how globally competitive football is their men are never likely to be at that level in football. Much better to obsess over cricket and rugby league where there's far less competition.
The Matildas though have been early adopters of football, like Canada, the US, Sweden and one or two others. So they've been ranked in the top few teams in the world, far more palatable for the local media.
I do think they missed a big chance at their home world cup. England took them apart in the semi final. Future world cups firstly won't be at home and secondly will be much more competitive as the women's game grows. It will be interesting to see how the media copes if they slide down the rankings. | | | |
| QPR Women on 00:00 - May 31 with 617 views | stowmarketrange |
| QPR Women on 23:00 - May 30 by loftboy |
Circa 1991 I was reffing a Hounslow league game at the white lodge sports ground in Ealing, on the next pitch QPR ladies were playing Arsenal, there was a rope around the pitch and that was it facilities wise! So the game has come on leaps and bounds.
Only thing I can’t understand is that on the sky football app, the WSL is listed before the championship, no way is it ahead of the championship in any way or form.
Bloke in my local has a season ticket for spurs women, it’s an OAP ticket and costs £35, so I do wonder if all the WSL clubs are similar then the crowds which as a whole aren’t massive what they would be if the charged similar to the men’s game? |
You don’t pay top dollar to get into a non league ground or they wouldn’t get anywhere near the same attendance figures as they do now.They price it competitively to try and maximise their support,similar to the WSL and most women’s games.
They have to grow their fan bases and can’t afford to price out their fans who might not be able to go if they charge too much.
It’s a delicate balancing act,but one they do quite well at the moment.The tickets for major tournaments are priced so that whole families can afford to go,although the costs in travelling to and staying in Switzerland more than make up for the cheap match tickets in July.
Overall a women’s game is a good family day out without the tribal nonsense that prevails in the men’s games.The Mexican waves are about the only bad thing about an England women’s international though. | | | |
| QPR Women on 11:32 - May 31 with 418 views | Dorse |
For me, it's a no-brainer. The women's game is growing and, as it does, the club would be in a far worse position by not investing or promoting it.
For example, a friend of mine is a Man City fan. He has a son and daughter who both follow City and he simply cannot afford for them all to go to the men's games. Instead, he has got a season ticket to watch the women's team. His kids love it and see no real difference between supporting their WSL team or the Premier League side. As a bonus, a lot of the men's team watch the WSL side (when not on duty) and mix with the fans, so the kids have met players like Foden and Grealish. The kids are hooked - fans (or customers, if you will) for life!
From a fan recruitment/retention perspective, it's hard to see why clubs wouldn't push it. The women's game develops, the clubs get higher profiles, the game engages fans / families that can't get as involved in the traditional model. |  |
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| QPR Women on 11:37 - May 31 with 389 views | OldPedro |
| QPR Women on 00:00 - May 31 by stowmarketrange |
You don’t pay top dollar to get into a non league ground or they wouldn’t get anywhere near the same attendance figures as they do now.They price it competitively to try and maximise their support,similar to the WSL and most women’s games.
They have to grow their fan bases and can’t afford to price out their fans who might not be able to go if they charge too much.
It’s a delicate balancing act,but one they do quite well at the moment.The tickets for major tournaments are priced so that whole families can afford to go,although the costs in travelling to and staying in Switzerland more than make up for the cheap match tickets in July.
Overall a women’s game is a good family day out without the tribal nonsense that prevails in the men’s games.The Mexican waves are about the only bad thing about an England women’s international though. |
My daughter played girls football from 12 to 18 and only gave up when her team disbanded.
Her favourite player is Leah Williamson, so back in December, we did a double-header weekend, QPR v Norwich on the Saturday and then Arsenal v A Villa Women. The tickets for the womens game at The Emirates were much cheaper than they would be for a mans game, so we got to go to ground we hadn't been to before for very little money (less than £60 for 4 of us). Game was competitive for about an hour before Arsenal pulled away and won comfortably. |  |
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| QPR Women on 19:09 - May 31 with 245 views | QPRConor2000 |
| QPR Women on 21:34 - May 29 by GosportHoops |
Does anyone genuinely give a monkeys about the women's team? |
I certainly do.
Womens football is one of the fastest growing sports in the country and it's on track to only continue to grow over the coming years. | | | |
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