| Has Greta been kidnapped? 13:00 - Jun 9 with 4421 views | trampie |
Greta Thunberg aid ship to Gaza has apparently been intercepted by Israel, I would imagine after 9 people were killed previously on a Turkish aid ship attempting to deliver aid and the outcry that followed that the same fate won't happened to these aid volunteers.
Apparently Israel is going to show them footage of the Oct 7th attack from nearly 2 years ago as some kind of justification for starving women and children out there and make them think they should not be given food and medicines to these people, personally I don't think that will work in changing the aid volunteers minds. |  |
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| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 22:04 - Jun 11 with 763 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 10:06 - Jun 11 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Anyone else think it’s quite ironic that those who support and defend the evil terrorist group Hamas in Palestine are also the same people who support Putin’s actions in Ukraine?
Bit of a pattern emerging. |
I try to non partisan and look at the two issues separately. There are death destruction anger and violence arising out of the exact same reason. LAND THEFT.
If your next door neighbour annexed your glass house and lawn and built an extension on it you woud be extremely angry and in a lawless place might even consider violence.
Both the annexation of Ukraine ad Palestine have triggered violent reactions. In both cases what has been done would be very difficult to undo and neither Russian of Israel have agreed to stop.
Both Russian and Israel do not consider the states their are occupying as legitimate. Netinyahu an Putin are soul brothers. Putin says to Trump we are simply doing what Israelis are doing and you support them.
In all the rhetoric and ethnic religious biases LAND THEFT is the cause. When some one dies the media looks to see if he or her where good people and would say "he was a good lad and was studying for his GCSEs. Israeli dead are often portrayed ans talented this an that but at the end of the day they are stealing land that does not belong to them.
The other spin of this is the idea that they are using the land better than Ukrainians or Palestinians did. This a is another fake justification.
A third spin is that Islam does not treat women property and the young 22 yo Swede should marry a Palestinian man.
It matters not a jot. It is LAND THEFT. Steal someone else's land post empire and you are gong to get big problems. [Post edited 11 Jun 22:24]
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| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 15:09 - Jun 12 with 653 views | trampie |
| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 20:24 - Jun 11 by KeithHaynes |
I’m thinking what the Nazi’s did and what is happening even worldwide has no comparison to the actions and events since, not at any level. The dampening down of millions of Jews being taken and killed bears no resemblance.
1. They had no army or reactionary groups until a lot of damage was done.
2. They wore the mark of people selected for killing.
3. Nazi’s were majority German, and all are I believe are dead.
Israel despite people’s support for Palestine cannot be compared to the death and destruction of such a huge population in five years years and years ago. And even though it’s devastating at this moment in time for Palestinians they are hardly being supported by the biggest nations in the world at any level. It’s a completely different fight. Both sides are killers licensed to do so by idiots wearing these rags on their heads and round their necks (the middle class fruitcakes in most towns most weekends) and the alleged right who support the opposite.
Focus in on what’s important and what you can achieve.
Concentrate on what’s important, your family and those who matter, not things you can’t and never will control. |
Nice posts by yourself as usually Keith, a couple of things the death total in Gaza might end up as a huge horrific figure, the Lancet (respected Britain medical journal) a year ago came out with figures and projections way above what most outlets were reporting from memory they reckoned for every death in such a conflict that there is between 3 times and 15 times that amount of people that will die because of starvation, lack of water, lack of heating, disease, lack of medince and medical facilities etc and although I can't remember the figure now but it could have been pushing towards 200,000 Palestinians dead at the high end of the multiplier, something online the other day saying we could be looking at 400,000 dead using the same reasoning , when international reporters are allowed in there (when that will be how knows) we might start to get more of an idea of the numbers dead in Gaza.
I'm not into hierarchy of genocide, or war crimes, war deaths etc but deaths in Gaza maybe a lot more than what people think.
Fair comment about people not being able to do anything about it and should concentrate on their own families etc, we'll I'm concerned about the Samson option , seen something attributed to the woman leader they had decades ago and I'm concerned what they would do to us if they were losing some future war. | |
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| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 15:43 - Jun 12 with 616 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 15:09 - Jun 12 by trampie |
Nice posts by yourself as usually Keith, a couple of things the death total in Gaza might end up as a huge horrific figure, the Lancet (respected Britain medical journal) a year ago came out with figures and projections way above what most outlets were reporting from memory they reckoned for every death in such a conflict that there is between 3 times and 15 times that amount of people that will die because of starvation, lack of water, lack of heating, disease, lack of medince and medical facilities etc and although I can't remember the figure now but it could have been pushing towards 200,000 Palestinians dead at the high end of the multiplier, something online the other day saying we could be looking at 400,000 dead using the same reasoning , when international reporters are allowed in there (when that will be how knows) we might start to get more of an idea of the numbers dead in Gaza.
I'm not into hierarchy of genocide, or war crimes, war deaths etc but deaths in Gaza maybe a lot more than what people think.
Fair comment about people not being able to do anything about it and should concentrate on their own families etc, we'll I'm concerned about the Samson option , seen something attributed to the woman leader they had decades ago and I'm concerned what they would do to us if they were losing some future war. |
Why would Israel attack us?
You do know the Samson option is a massive retaliatory attack if the country is being over run? Do you expect the Uk to invade Isrtael?
Even if you tripled the deaths in Gaza it is still less than a quarter of the Holocaust numbers but saying that, Israel needs to stop.
As I have already said though, unless both su=ides stop then neither will stop, trying to pin all the blame on Israel isn't fair or right. Blaming Israel for going to far is fair enough. |  | | |
| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 15:54 - Jun 12 with 597 views | trampie |
| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 15:43 - Jun 12 by SullutaCreturned |
Why would Israel attack us?
You do know the Samson option is a massive retaliatory attack if the country is being over run? Do you expect the Uk to invade Isrtael?
Even if you tripled the deaths in Gaza it is still less than a quarter of the Holocaust numbers but saying that, Israel needs to stop.
As I have already said though, unless both su=ides stop then neither will stop, trying to pin all the blame on Israel isn't fair or right. Blaming Israel for going to far is fair enough. |
You haven't quite got the full picture there Cat, its not us in a direct war with Israel its Israel at war against AN Others and losing, it was implied they will take action against other countries, the thinking being anybody standing by and being neutral and not going to Israels aid would be seen as being complicit, if you are not with us you are against us thinking. | |
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| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 16:10 - Jun 12 with 569 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 16:17 - Jun 10 by SullutaCreturned |
force israel you say? Tell me, when did Hamas agree to a 2 state deal? What if Israel agreed to it tomorrow, for peace's sake, do you think Hamas would put their guns down and go with it?
The only differnce between Israel and Hamas is the scale, Israel have killed and are still killing (well murdering these days) many more than Hamas has managed.
Either both sides agree a peace and stick to it or there is no hope out there. |
Likud and Hamas are unable to agree anything and are both murderous thugs. Until both are removed there is no solution only the ultimate expulsion of all non compliant Palestinians. Rafah are people that are open to negotiation once settlements s are stopped.
EU and US with the help of China and India a can force a solution. The G7. Israel cannot exist on its own. This issue is a stain on humanity and a solution is not that difficult.
Once the Israeli people see the world line up demanding a two state solution with guarantees they may be minded to vote in a b new government. I recently went to Bosnia. A very curious place with long standing aggression. They now live in peace for 20 years.
The UN bombed the Serbs to an agreement there and in Kosovo. Once the Serbs were intimidated a solution was possible. | |
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| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 16:25 - Jun 12 with 545 views | trampie |
| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 16:10 - Jun 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Likud and Hamas are unable to agree anything and are both murderous thugs. Until both are removed there is no solution only the ultimate expulsion of all non compliant Palestinians. Rafah are people that are open to negotiation once settlements s are stopped.
EU and US with the help of China and India a can force a solution. The G7. Israel cannot exist on its own. This issue is a stain on humanity and a solution is not that difficult.
Once the Israeli people see the world line up demanding a two state solution with guarantees they may be minded to vote in a b new government. I recently went to Bosnia. A very curious place with long standing aggression. They now live in peace for 20 years.
The UN bombed the Serbs to an agreement there and in Kosovo. Once the Serbs were intimidated a solution was possible. |
The thing is the Israeli lobbyists have great influence over western governments so western governments are unlikely to push for a two state solution, they are compromised.
The people seem sympathetic to the Palestinians but small amount of people in charge are for some reason pro Israel.
What could change is if the Palestinians are displaced, hearded into an even smaller area and eventually international journalists are allowed in and if its even worse destruction, deaths, conditions than initially thought then there might be some pressure for a two state solution, but I wouldnt hold my breath because Western governments, media outlets etc seem to be in Israels pockets.
As proof of that did you see the reports in our mainstream press of a person involved in the aid ship, shocking biased reporting tells that everything in the mainstream is pro Israel. | |
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| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 22:01 - Jun 12 with 449 views | Dr_Winston |
I can't really look past the comparison between Greta and Hamas leadership that I saw online the other day.
Both ostensibly serve the Palestinians, both are financially supported from elsewhere, both attempted fairly shambolic invasions of Israel and then both buggered off abroad as soon as possible leaving others to deal with the fallout of their actions. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 01:54 - Jun 13 with 414 views | Robbie |
Young girl still a bit head in the shed culture trying valiantly to put the World on even keel and getting peace in Israel , good effort and hope you are safe and well but way out of your league .
My daughter mitched School but never took on Isreal whist playing truant , [Post edited 13 Jun 1:58]
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| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 09:49 - Jun 14 with 314 views | Dr_Winston |
Interesting contrast between the treatment that Thunberg received after being "kidnapped" by the Israelis and what's happening to the March on Gaza types in Egypt at the moment.
The latter is being oddly unreported by the BBC despite being all over social media. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 09:54 - Jun 14 with 294 views | trampie |
Egypt along with some other Arab countries sold out to Israel years ago. | |
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| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 10:38 - Jun 14 with 262 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
Egypt has a ongoing issue with extremists on the Sinai Peninsula |  |
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| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 11:04 - Jun 14 with 232 views | trampie |
| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 10:38 - Jun 14 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Egypt has a ongoing issue with extremists on the Sinai Peninsula |
I don't normally go to 3rd World countries but was persuaded to go the Sinai Peninsula for a winter sun holiday, it was a brand new hotel (many years ago now) but you walked through a bomb detector going through the main door of the hotel, what is this all about I was thinking. | |
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| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 17:13 - Jun 14 with 165 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Has Greta been kidnapped? on 11:04 - Jun 14 by trampie |
I don't normally go to 3rd World countries but was persuaded to go the Sinai Peninsula for a winter sun holiday, it was a brand new hotel (many years ago now) but you walked through a bomb detector going through the main door of the hotel, what is this all about I was thinking. |
Well they weren't trying to stop people bringing their own cutlery in  | | | |
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