| Another ill thought out policy on 00:14 - Jun 13 with 1037 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
The Private Schools that are closing are those where putting up fees would not work to cover the implementation of VAT. Some of these have been catering for additional needs when they close it puts huge pressure on the nearby state schools. |  |
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| Another ill thought out policy on 06:21 - Jun 13 with 1016 views | Whiterockin |
| Another ill thought out policy on 00:14 - Jun 13 by JACKMANANDBOY |
The Private Schools that are closing are those where putting up fees would not work to cover the implementation of VAT. Some of these have been catering for additional needs when they close it puts huge pressure on the nearby state schools. |
One in Swansea closing and its not the only one in South Wales.
https://swanseabaynews.com/2025/05/08/swansea-independent-school-oakleigh-house- |  | | |
| Another ill thought out policy on 06:25 - Jun 13 with 1014 views | Dr_Winston |
Perhaps the most glaring example of political decisions fuelled by hatred than sense in my lifetime. I believe it made us the only country in Europe that taxes education. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Another ill thought out policy on 09:05 - Jun 13 with 957 views | onehunglow |
| Another ill thought out policy on 06:25 - Jun 13 by Dr_Winston |
Perhaps the most glaring example of political decisions fuelled by hatred than sense in my lifetime. I believe it made us the only country in Europe that taxes education. |
Good post
It fuels the class hatred though that " working people" feel for the " rich" , those who send their scions to posh schools where they play rugby , study , go to uni and get good jobs
The parents pay twice
The utter bastards |  |
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| Another ill thought out policy on 09:16 - Jun 13 with 948 views | Gwyn737 |
I don't know the school that is cl;osing but perhaps someone could help with the following so I can make in informed comment:
1. Has the school had a falling roll over time?
2. If so, does this reflect the trend with local schools?
3. Are the children moving to state school causing them to be over subscribed?
4. How much has the school put up fees on top of the VAT increase?
5. Are there any liabilities in the accounts?
6. Historicallly, what has the school done over time to justify it's charitable status.
As for the Telegraph article, I'd like to know how they came up with the figures. From a £650m tax gain to a £1.5 billion loss. 11,000 children causing an over £2 billion swing??!
Of course, the 11,000 figure is made up to include the children who 'would' have gone to private school not even taking into account the fact that there are comparably low numbers of children entering Reception in 2025/26.
I've said before, I've no issue with private schools at all but papers like the Telegraph are really spinning the truth around it. | | | |
| Another ill thought out policy on 09:37 - Jun 13 with 935 views | Whiterockin |
| Another ill thought out policy on 09:16 - Jun 13 by Gwyn737 |
I don't know the school that is cl;osing but perhaps someone could help with the following so I can make in informed comment:
1. Has the school had a falling roll over time?
2. If so, does this reflect the trend with local schools?
3. Are the children moving to state school causing them to be over subscribed?
4. How much has the school put up fees on top of the VAT increase?
5. Are there any liabilities in the accounts?
6. Historicallly, what has the school done over time to justify it's charitable status.
As for the Telegraph article, I'd like to know how they came up with the figures. From a £650m tax gain to a £1.5 billion loss. 11,000 children causing an over £2 billion swing??!
Of course, the 11,000 figure is made up to include the children who 'would' have gone to private school not even taking into account the fact that there are comparably low numbers of children entering Reception in 2025/26.
I've said before, I've no issue with private schools at all but papers like the Telegraph are really spinning the truth around it. |
Perhaps this will help.
https://www.schoolmanagementplus.com/bursars-finance/private-school-closures-how | | | |
| Another ill thought out policy on 10:04 - Jun 13 with 910 views | Scotia |
| Another ill thought out policy on 09:16 - Jun 13 by Gwyn737 |
I don't know the school that is cl;osing but perhaps someone could help with the following so I can make in informed comment:
1. Has the school had a falling roll over time?
2. If so, does this reflect the trend with local schools?
3. Are the children moving to state school causing them to be over subscribed?
4. How much has the school put up fees on top of the VAT increase?
5. Are there any liabilities in the accounts?
6. Historicallly, what has the school done over time to justify it's charitable status.
As for the Telegraph article, I'd like to know how they came up with the figures. From a £650m tax gain to a £1.5 billion loss. 11,000 children causing an over £2 billion swing??!
Of course, the 11,000 figure is made up to include the children who 'would' have gone to private school not even taking into account the fact that there are comparably low numbers of children entering Reception in 2025/26.
I've said before, I've no issue with private schools at all but papers like the Telegraph are really spinning the truth around it. |
Oakleigh house was planning on "closing" some time ago, pupil numbers have been falling for a while and it's a valuable piece of property. They actually did very well from our time in the premier league.
I use inverted comma's because the parents have been told their children will be able to move to Ffynone, but there is a lag time between Oakleigh closing and Ffynone being able to take the younger children. They can go to St Michaels, but that's in Llanelli so it's not popular.
Our friends child is going to state school, but would have left Oakleigh anyway as she would be too old. | | | |
| Another ill thought out policy on 10:39 - Jun 13 with 885 views | Gwyn737 |
So it's a bit early to say but closures have been accelorating in recent years - mainly down to the cost of living or overall decline in pupil numbers.
VAT may accelorate the rate but we dont know if it;s just continuin the recent trend | | | |
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| Another ill thought out policy on 10:42 - Jun 13 with 881 views | Gwyn737 |
| Another ill thought out policy on 10:04 - Jun 13 by Scotia |
Oakleigh house was planning on "closing" some time ago, pupil numbers have been falling for a while and it's a valuable piece of property. They actually did very well from our time in the premier league.
I use inverted comma's because the parents have been told their children will be able to move to Ffynone, but there is a lag time between Oakleigh closing and Ffynone being able to take the younger children. They can go to St Michaels, but that's in Llanelli so it's not popular.
Our friends child is going to state school, but would have left Oakleigh anyway as she would be too old. |
Sounds about par with most the other Telegraph stories of this ilk which would have been better headlined 'School struggling for years is finally closing down'. | | | |
| Another ill thought out policy on 10:59 - Jun 13 with 857 views | union_jack |
| Another ill thought out policy on 10:39 - Jun 13 by Gwyn737 |
So it's a bit early to say but closures have been accelorating in recent years - mainly down to the cost of living or overall decline in pupil numbers.
VAT may accelorate the rate but we dont know if it;s just continuin the recent trend |
I think the demand for the old style prep school in this area started to fall many years ago. I attended one here and it closed as a prep school some time ago but continued just as an independent school up until about 10 years ago then shut for good.
I think the more traditional prep schools in the Home Counties may still be doing well but will undoubtedly be affected by the inclusion of VAT. |  |
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| Another ill thought out policy on 13:02 - Jun 13 with 800 views | trampie |
| Another ill thought out policy on 10:04 - Jun 13 by Scotia |
Oakleigh house was planning on "closing" some time ago, pupil numbers have been falling for a while and it's a valuable piece of property. They actually did very well from our time in the premier league.
I use inverted comma's because the parents have been told their children will be able to move to Ffynone, but there is a lag time between Oakleigh closing and Ffynone being able to take the younger children. They can go to St Michaels, but that's in Llanelli so it's not popular.
Our friends child is going to state school, but would have left Oakleigh anyway as she would be too old. |
If no idea but what do you mean by St Michael's not popular ? I knew someone from the top of the Vale of Neath that went to St Michael's by passing Swansea to get down there although that was decades ago, comment seems strange considering St Michael's still open and the Swansea place closing. |  |
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| Another ill thought out policy on 13:07 - Jun 13 with 777 views | trampie |
Or do you mean not popular with the people you know ?, I thought that Swanse and Llanelli are not that far apart. | |
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| Another ill thought out policy on 13:15 - Jun 13 with 772 views | Whiterockin |
| Another ill thought out policy on 13:02 - Jun 13 by trampie |
If no idea but what do you mean by St Michael's not popular ? I knew someone from the top of the Vale of Neath that went to St Michael's by passing Swansea to get down there although that was decades ago, comment seems strange considering St Michael's still open and the Swansea place closing. |
I would say "not popular" because of the travelling time involved. There currently are St Mike's school busses running from various parts of Swansea from about 7.30 and getting back with the last drop off close to 5. Even worse from Porthcawl where there are many applications the for next school year because of the closure there. | | | |
| Another ill thought out policy on 19:43 - Jun 13 with 683 views | majorraglan |
| Another ill thought out policy on 10:39 - Jun 13 by Gwyn737 |
So it's a bit early to say but closures have been accelorating in recent years - mainly down to the cost of living or overall decline in pupil numbers.
VAT may accelorate the rate but we dont know if it;s just continuin the recent trend |
It appears that the number of children entering the education system is declining which is a reflection on the birth rate. Despite the fact that 25 schools are closing, in January 2025 there were 35 more independent schools than there were in January 2024.
Some of the independent schools closing are small and have less than 100 children on the books while others have had gradual declines in numbers making the schools unsustainable. There has been a drop of 11,000 pupils in the independent sector, but the state sector has seen a decrease of 60,000.
The increase in children entering secondary schools is 1,500 which suggests that there’s hasn’t been this huge migration of thousands of children from the independent sector to the state sector.
The increase in Academy’s in England may be one reason that independent schools are seeing a drop in numbers making, but what is clear is that the number of children attending independent schools as a percentage of the overall number of children hasn’t changed a great deal.
There’s much gnashing of teeth from The Telegraph, but I suspect much of it is down to political ideology. | | | |
| Another ill thought out policy on 19:47 - Jun 13 with 672 views | Scotia |
| Another ill thought out policy on 13:02 - Jun 13 by trampie |
If no idea but what do you mean by St Michael's not popular ? I knew someone from the top of the Vale of Neath that went to St Michael's by passing Swansea to get down there although that was decades ago, comment seems strange considering St Michael's still open and the Swansea place closing. |
They don't want to go there for a few months or maybe a year until Ffynone is ready to take the younger pupils. | | | |
| Another ill thought out policy on 20:18 - Jun 13 with 642 views | Gwyn737 |
| Another ill thought out policy on 19:43 - Jun 13 by majorraglan |
It appears that the number of children entering the education system is declining which is a reflection on the birth rate. Despite the fact that 25 schools are closing, in January 2025 there were 35 more independent schools than there were in January 2024.
Some of the independent schools closing are small and have less than 100 children on the books while others have had gradual declines in numbers making the schools unsustainable. There has been a drop of 11,000 pupils in the independent sector, but the state sector has seen a decrease of 60,000.
The increase in children entering secondary schools is 1,500 which suggests that there’s hasn’t been this huge migration of thousands of children from the independent sector to the state sector.
The increase in Academy’s in England may be one reason that independent schools are seeing a drop in numbers making, but what is clear is that the number of children attending independent schools as a percentage of the overall number of children hasn’t changed a great deal.
There’s much gnashing of teeth from The Telegraph, but I suspect much of it is down to political ideology. |
And look how much pointless air time this subject is getting. Meanwhile this is the most important story of the day:
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jun/13/councils-in-england-warn-of-ma | | | |
| Another ill thought out policy on 20:24 - Jun 13 with 635 views | Whiterockin |
That's one hell of a swerve Gwyn. It's only pointless if it doesn't concern you, but it will if your school has an over subscribed school year and not enough teachers. | | | |
| Another ill thought out policy on 20:36 - Jun 13 with 619 views | Gwyn737 |
| Another ill thought out policy on 20:24 - Jun 13 by Whiterockin |
That's one hell of a swerve Gwyn. It's only pointless if it doesn't concern you, but it will if your school has an over subscribed school year and not enough teachers. |
I think oversubscribed schools are pretty rare atm.
Many local authorities had record numbers of children getting their first preference school this time round.
However the SEN funding crisis is effecting all 9 million state school pupils. | | | |
| Another ill thought out policy on 20:38 - Jun 13 with 602 views | Whiterockin |
It's happening in SA3 Gwyn | | | |
| Another ill thought out policy on 20:40 - Jun 13 with 590 views | Gwyn737 |
| Another ill thought out policy on 20:38 - Jun 13 by Whiterockin |
It's happening in SA3 Gwyn |
You’ll know much better than me WR.
How many pupils have gone from private to state there? Is Bishopston the only Comp in the area? | | | |
| Another ill thought out policy on 20:41 - Jun 13 with 575 views | trampie |
I've hit a down arrow by mistake, apologies.
What is the solution Gwyn, higher taxes for those earning big bucks ?, more cuts ?, what do you think ? | |
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| Another ill thought out policy on 20:44 - Jun 13 with 576 views | Whiterockin |
| Another ill thought out policy on 20:40 - Jun 13 by Gwyn737 |
You’ll know much better than me WR.
How many pupils have gone from private to state there? Is Bishopston the only Comp in the area? |
It's more prelevnt in pre comp schools. | | | |
| Another ill thought out policy on 20:49 - Jun 13 with 561 views | Gwyn737 |
| Another ill thought out policy on 20:44 - Jun 13 by Whiterockin |
It's more prelevnt in pre comp schools. |
I’m sure you’re right but that doesn’t mirror the national picture.
Hard to find individual numbers but Swansea overall had a 97% first preference success rate. That’s at Reception, Y7 and in year admissions.
Some of the 3% will be admissions being skewed by school performance. It’s no surprise that the best schools are oversubscribed with families outside of catchment applying. | | | |
| Another ill thought out policy on 20:52 - Jun 13 with 537 views | trampie |
| Another ill thought out policy on 20:49 - Jun 13 by Gwyn737 |
I’m sure you’re right but that doesn’t mirror the national picture.
Hard to find individual numbers but Swansea overall had a 97% first preference success rate. That’s at Reception, Y7 and in year admissions.
Some of the 3% will be admissions being skewed by school performance. It’s no surprise that the best schools are oversubscribed with families outside of catchment applying. |
If a catchment area is likely to end up being full, will a school still take pupils from outside the area ?, leaving pupils within the catchment unable to go to that school ? | |
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| Another ill thought out policy on 20:55 - Jun 13 with 519 views | trampie |
I must be honest when i was in school I never came across a good teacher, not one, they were all hopeless, non of them cared in the slightest about their pupils, they were only there to.pick up their pay check at the end of the month. | |
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