| India Air Crash 21:47 - Jun 12 with 14115 views | Monkey_Roots |
Utterly horrifying.
How does 1 person walk out of that?
Every time that’s mentioned on the news, the say ‘allegedly’ or ‘apparently’, which is understandable when you see that footage - it’s just unbelievable.
Thoughts go out to all those who perished, and their families, but again… how does anyone escape that? |  | | |  |
| India Air Crash on 13:46 - Jun 16 with 2993 views | loftboy |
Flying to Berlin a couple of weeks ago, an Indian lady in the row in front of me made a phone call whilst on final approach! Got the right hump with me when I pointed out to her it should be on airplane mode. |  |
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| India Air Crash on 13:51 - Jun 16 with 2957 views | wombat |
slightly off topic , but had two osrt of near misses in helicoptors over the years , first one site seeing trip around new york took off from the hudson from one of the jettys brilliant , camer back home week later very same helicoptor we was on crashed into the hudson .
more recently las vegas trip over the canyon hoover dam etc once again went well amazing trip scenes you name it . once again got home a month or so later yep same thing again think there was five killed on that one inclding a couple on there honemoon .
i dont get on helicoptors anymore ! |  |
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| India Air Crash on 13:57 - Jun 16 with 2941 views | GaryBannister86 |
| India Air Crash on 13:51 - Jun 16 by wombat |
slightly off topic , but had two osrt of near misses in helicoptors over the years , first one site seeing trip around new york took off from the hudson from one of the jettys brilliant , camer back home week later very same helicoptor we was on crashed into the hudson .
more recently las vegas trip over the canyon hoover dam etc once again went well amazing trip scenes you name it . once again got home a month or so later yep same thing again think there was five killed on that one inclding a couple on there honemoon .
i dont get on helicoptors anymore ! |
Hate helicopters, as Clive says one of the few modes of transport where if you crash there is literally no chance of survival. My father was a good friend of Matthew Harding, despite the (much keener then) Chelsea rivalry, and he never took a helicopter after that, having done so quite a lot beforehand. I went on one once, never again. |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 14:26 - Jun 16 with 2844 views | izlingtonhoop |
| India Air Crash on 13:57 - Jun 16 by GaryBannister86 |
Hate helicopters, as Clive says one of the few modes of transport where if you crash there is literally no chance of survival. My father was a good friend of Matthew Harding, despite the (much keener then) Chelsea rivalry, and he never took a helicopter after that, having done so quite a lot beforehand. I went on one once, never again. |
"Literally no chance"
I can think, without looking anything up, of Nigel Farage, Mike Smith and Sarah Green and David Coultard all surviving helicopter crashes. |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 14:29 - Jun 16 with 2829 views | GaryBannister86 |
| India Air Crash on 14:26 - Jun 16 by izlingtonhoop |
"Literally no chance"
I can think, without looking anything up, of Nigel Farage, Mike Smith and Sarah Green and David Coultard all surviving helicopter crashes. |
Farage wasn't a helicopter. Greene and Smith was 1988 and I think trees saved them. But you know what I mean....little chance, not no chance. | | | |
| India Air Crash on 14:37 - Jun 16 with 2778 views | wombat |
| India Air Crash on 14:29 - Jun 16 by GaryBannister86 |
Farage wasn't a helicopter. Greene and Smith was 1988 and I think trees saved them. But you know what I mean....little chance, not no chance. |
Think with a helicoptor engine failiure u have a bigger chance of surviving , seen viedos when they can glide to a landing , obv if its anything more serious tail rotor going then ur in much bigger trouble , just saw another air india flight had problems today and had to turn back , thanksfully landed ok though | |
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| India Air Crash on 14:42 - Jun 16 with 2748 views | izlingtonhoop |
| India Air Crash on 14:29 - Jun 16 by GaryBannister86 |
Farage wasn't a helicopter. Greene and Smith was 1988 and I think trees saved them. But you know what I mean....little chance, not no chance. |
I stand corrected on Farridge | | | |
| India Air Crash on 16:58 - Jun 16 with 2620 views | izlingtonhoop |
Took the helicopter from 'Zance to St Mary's 2012.
Was noisy fun going over.
On the return we were watching planes get to the airport in a driving storm, approach the now mud landing strip, climb again and bugger off back to Cornwall.
The copter flew us back despite the weather. We flew what seemed like about 8ft above the heaving Atlantic the entire way.
An experience | | | |
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| India Air Crash (n/t) on 03:32 - Jun 17 with 2360 views | rbrb999 |
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| India Air Crash on 03:42 - Jun 17 with 2353 views | rbrb999 |
I viewed a video of the incident.
It seemed as the plane was taking off in the air it seemed to stall then descend and crash.
Did the pilot or co pilot mistake the lever or button for the flap instead of the lever or botton for retrieval of the landing gear or what?
In other words pilot error? | | | |
| India Air Crash on 08:04 - Jun 17 with 2241 views | Monkey_Roots |
| India Air Crash on 03:42 - Jun 17 by rbrb999 |
I viewed a video of the incident.
It seemed as the plane was taking off in the air it seemed to stall then descend and crash.
Did the pilot or co pilot mistake the lever or button for the flap instead of the lever or botton for retrieval of the landing gear or what?
In other words pilot error? |
That just seems like something Mr Bean would do... surely not these pilots??
My money is on either maintenance issues or a Boeing issue... and i have about as much of a clue as Mr Bean about it all.
I just want to know more about the survivor, that really intrigues me. | | | |
| India Air Crash on 08:14 - Jun 17 with 2224 views | rbrb999 |
| India Air Crash on 08:04 - Jun 17 by Monkey_Roots |
That just seems like something Mr Bean would do... surely not these pilots??
My money is on either maintenance issues or a Boeing issue... and i have about as much of a clue as Mr Bean about it all.
I just want to know more about the survivor, that really intrigues me. |
Yes it i agree it is intriguing about the survivor.
However it just occurred to me whether it was a pilot error or maintenance or Boeing issue or whatever.... with all the fuss about AI these days.... surely someone could or should install AI into these planes as a fail-safe mechanism to avoid or try to avoid such dreadful events? | | | |
| India Air Crash on 17:57 - Jun 17 with 1849 views | ted_hendrix |
As a Squaddie In NI during the late Sixties we had a spell for a few days In and out of the Westland Wessex helicopter, one minute your outside a rural farm out In the wilds, next minute your gone and being dumped outside a town.
You'd be surprised how quickly disorienting that Is.
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| India Air Crash on 20:13 - Jun 17 with 1759 views | qpr_1968 |
| India Air Crash on 14:29 - Jun 16 by GaryBannister86 |
Farage wasn't a helicopter. Greene and Smith was 1988 and I think trees saved them. But you know what I mean....little chance, not no chance. |
was it the sun newspaper the next day?
headlines...
sarah greene goes down on mikes smiths chopper. |  |
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| India Air Crash on 07:31 - Jul 9 with 1268 views | lassel |
| India Air Crash on 11:21 - Jun 15 by Northernr |
Lot of the pilot commentators and amateur sleuths supporting this electronic blackout theory now.
This isn’t going to be good for Boeing if so, the Dreamliner was the one of their planes you were meant to be able to rely on not to kill you.
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Bringing this back up, rumour is that the preliminary report due Friday is going to heavily suggest pilot murder suicide focusing on the fuel cut off switches that were manually pulled. | | | |
| India Air Crash on 07:50 - Jul 9 with 1199 views | Northernr |
| India Air Crash on 07:31 - Jul 9 by lassel |
Bringing this back up, rumour is that the preliminary report due Friday is going to heavily suggest pilot murder suicide focusing on the fuel cut off switches that were manually pulled. |
Well my first instinct when I saw it was the pilots have fcked it up but that would be extraordinary to the point of unbelievable. |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 07:57 - Jul 9 with 1166 views | JamesB1979 |
| India Air Crash on 07:50 - Jul 9 by Northernr |
Well my first instinct when I saw it was the pilots have fcked it up but that would be extraordinary to the point of unbelievable. |
Doubles down on why I hate flying so much. We’re at complete mercy of someone else. Looking forward to my flight next week…. | | | |
| India Air Crash on 08:22 - Jul 9 with 1073 views | rbee |
About 10 years ago the co-pilot of a German Wings plane flew in to a mountain deliberately |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 08:32 - Jul 9 with 1017 views | rbee |
| India Air Crash on 08:26 - Jul 9 by scot1963 |
Yes I watch Mentour Pilot as well Met, and Pilot Debrief.
As for blaming it on the pilots - Boeing were happy with that conclusion with the first 737 Max that went down and then only when the second went down not long after, and when they had no choice, did they have to concede it might not be pilot error but rather technical details that Boeing had failed to highlight so I'd be a bit sceptical. |
I am sure I read at the time of the 737 Max crashes that there was an optional piece of software available that might have prevented both crashes. You had to order this software when ordering the plane.
How can safety be an optional extra? Boeing were lucky to survive in my opinion. | | | |
| India Air Crash on 08:39 - Jul 9 with 964 views | lassel |
| India Air Crash on 07:50 - Jul 9 by Northernr |
Well my first instinct when I saw it was the pilots have fcked it up but that would be extraordinary to the point of unbelievable. |
Seems like it’s going to be a bit of a reading between the lines report as the checklist for a dual engine problem would be to pull the fuel cut off and reengage them, yet they will also allegedly report no mechanical issues found… | | | |
| India Air Crash on 08:45 - Jul 9 with 924 views | rbee |
| India Air Crash on 08:39 - Jul 9 by lassel |
Seems like it’s going to be a bit of a reading between the lines report as the checklist for a dual engine problem would be to pull the fuel cut off and reengage them, yet they will also allegedly report no mechanical issues found… |
With all of the whistleblowers recently accusing Boeing of manufacturing quality issues I was half expecting this to be the reason for the Air India crash.
I doubt the pilots had the time to fault find any technical issues. [Post edited 9 Jul 8:50]
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| India Air Crash on 09:19 - Jul 9 with 800 views | scot1963 |
| India Air Crash on 08:32 - Jul 9 by rbee |
I am sure I read at the time of the 737 Max crashes that there was an optional piece of software available that might have prevented both crashes. You had to order this software when ordering the plane.
How can safety be an optional extra? Boeing were lucky to survive in my opinion. |
Too big to fail and generally allowed to be their own regulator I think was what saved them. There were a dozen whistleblowers bringing cases - two of them died suddenly last year - so ten left and you never know what that might bring.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/boeing-whistleblowers-lawsuits |  | | |
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