| India Air Crash 21:47 - Jun 12 with 14187 views | Monkey_Roots |
Utterly horrifying.
How does 1 person walk out of that?
Every time that’s mentioned on the news, the say ‘allegedly’ or ‘apparently’, which is understandable when you see that footage - it’s just unbelievable.
Thoughts go out to all those who perished, and their families, but again… how does anyone escape that? |  | | |  |
| India Air Crash on 09:55 - Jul 9 with 2348 views | bosh67 |
Given that the pilot is communicating that he can't get lift or maintain altitude seconds after takeoff it sounds unlikely that the cause is pilot murder/suicide. More likely to be fuel contamination but we'll see. |  |
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| India Air Crash on 11:15 - Jul 9 with 2152 views | lassel |
| India Air Crash on 09:55 - Jul 9 by bosh67 |
Given that the pilot is communicating that he can't get lift or maintain altitude seconds after takeoff it sounds unlikely that the cause is pilot murder/suicide. More likely to be fuel contamination but we'll see. |
The pilot forums are in a bit of disbelief right now, but respected journos are saying between the lines what the report will say.
Also the lead investigator was recently given 24/7 security after death threats…
It’s going to be murky seemingly 🫤 |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 11:21 - Jul 9 with 2137 views | robith |
| India Air Crash on 08:22 - Jul 9 by rbee |
About 10 years ago the co-pilot of a German Wings plane flew in to a mountain deliberately |
Isn't it widely agreed that 370 was murder suicide by the pilot and the reason we've never found the plane is because the Malaysian government won't sanction a search based on the pilot doing it on purpose |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 11:26 - Jul 9 with 2101 views | kensalriser |
| India Air Crash on 07:57 - Jul 9 by JamesB1979 |
Doubles down on why I hate flying so much. We’re at complete mercy of someone else. Looking forward to my flight next week…. |
The same is true for all forms of transport, even walking. |  |
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| India Air Crash on 12:30 - Jul 9 with 1921 views | Juzzie |
| India Air Crash on 09:55 - Jul 9 by bosh67 |
Given that the pilot is communicating that he can't get lift or maintain altitude seconds after takeoff it sounds unlikely that the cause is pilot murder/suicide. More likely to be fuel contamination but we'll see. |
Unless you want to make out that it's not you causing it. |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 12:33 - Jul 9 with 1902 views | LazyFan |
That's why these people who pilot, drive or navigate us around need to be looked after and paid properly (that means high wages) as we want them to be smart, well-trained professionals who value the work they do.
You have to worry that in the USA, some pilots are on food stamps and just getting by. Not to mention working long, hard hours where there is no minimum holiday entitlement in the USA.
But that's all politics, right? And we don't want to read about all that again, let's put our heads in the sand, as it's all too noisy so we can go back to being docile sheep and pretend it's all okay
.... until it isn't. |  |
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| India Air Crash on 14:49 - Jul 9 with 1709 views | Boston |
| India Air Crash on 12:33 - Jul 9 by LazyFan |
That's why these people who pilot, drive or navigate us around need to be looked after and paid properly (that means high wages) as we want them to be smart, well-trained professionals who value the work they do.
You have to worry that in the USA, some pilots are on food stamps and just getting by. Not to mention working long, hard hours where there is no minimum holiday entitlement in the USA.
But that's all politics, right? And we don't want to read about all that again, let's put our heads in the sand, as it's all too noisy so we can go back to being docile sheep and pretend it's all okay
.... until it isn't. |
Is that comment in reference to the pilots of international / national companies? If so, you'll find the pay scales vary with experience but are generally the similar / the same regardless of the location of the airlines corporate headquarters (certainly in Europe, Australia, Japan, the US and other 'western' countries). If you familiarize yourself with staff on planes, you'll note the cockpit crew are rarely comprised of a single nationality, people in that industry are as likely to change employer as any other occupation. | |
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| India Air Crash on 21:45 - Jul 11 with 1209 views | lassel |
| India Air Crash on 07:31 - Jul 9 by lassel |
Bringing this back up, rumour is that the preliminary report due Friday is going to heavily suggest pilot murder suicide focusing on the fuel cut off switches that were manually pulled. |
Now confirmed 😐 | | | |
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| India Air Crash on 22:06 - Jul 11 with 1148 views | BklynRanger |
| India Air Crash on 21:45 - Jul 11 by lassel |
Now confirmed 😐 |
The fuel cut-off cause seems pretty clear now, but it could also be pilot error couldn't it? |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 22:07 - Jul 11 with 1147 views | rbee |
Indeed, with one pilot asking the other ''Why did you cut off.'' |  | | |
| India Air Crash on 22:14 - Jul 11 with 1130 views | rbee |
| India Air Crash on 22:06 - Jul 11 by BklynRanger |
The fuel cut-off cause seems pretty clear now, but it could also be pilot error couldn't it? |
It could be but the pilot denied doing it.
Some error if so. | | | |
| India Air Crash on 04:12 - Jul 12 with 921 views | lassel |
| India Air Crash on 22:06 - Jul 11 by BklynRanger |
The fuel cut-off cause seems pretty clear now, but it could also be pilot error couldn't it? |
The cutoff switch had to be pulled towards you and then down so that you can’t accidentally trigger them. There are also two, so you would need to repeat the action…
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| India Air Crash on 06:06 - Jul 12 with 826 views | enfieldargh |
| India Air Crash on 04:12 - Jul 12 by lassel |
The cutoff switch had to be pulled towards you and then down so that you can’t accidentally trigger them. There are also two, so you would need to repeat the action…
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When a friend or family member take a flight I often follow the plane on flight radar
My eldest was off to Taiwan for a few weeks work so I of course followed his EVA flight
On approach into Taipei I’m watching his 777 just about to land when I saw another aircraft appear on the runway, the same runway I had watched other aircraft take off and land.
Thought the app was just being inaccurate suddenly my sons aircraft veared off its patch and went around
I asked him later if anything happened during landing he said they were not far from the ground when the plane pulled up and shot up and went around
He was bricking it as where the crew he was sitting near |  |
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| India Air Crash on 07:14 - Jul 12 with 731 views | BklynRanger |
| India Air Crash on 04:12 - Jul 12 by lassel |
The cutoff switch had to be pulled towards you and then down so that you can’t accidentally trigger them. There are also two, so you would need to repeat the action…
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Good info, and I take the point that it's not a simple manoeuvre. I still think we need to be careful of inferring that one of those two men was a mass murderer.
Maybe whoever moved them went through a process straight after take-off that they would normally do straight after landing? It's clearly not the case of just pushing a button, but a professional pilot with hundreds of hours could probably make that change very quickly. If that was the case it would be an absent-minded error, hard to explain looking back, a complete brain meltdown but with catastrophic consequences.
Also, if it was intentional he took that intention to the grave - in fact denied doing it, rather than making any kind of final statement. That doesn't support guilt or innocence either way but if it had been a political motive that was an opportunity.
It may yet turn out to be murder-suicide - I'm just not comfortable with concluding that without more proof. At this point its a terrible tragedy for all involved, including the pilots. | | | |
| India Air Crash on 07:54 - Jul 12 with 646 views | PlanetHonneywood |
This thread has arguably been one of the more fascinating threads on here. If for no other reason, then to highlight the broad range of knowledge the LFW menagerie has to share.
I've been amazed how accurate the LFW Air Accident Investigation Board has been at identifying the potential causes of this tragedy before the official interim findings.
I'm already more excited about the discussions around the fifth generation ChatGPT coming soon, then the Preston (h) encounter.
As I have often said over the years: if we could just limit the QPR stuff, we'd be far better off. |  |
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| India Air Crash on 08:57 - Jul 12 with 538 views | lassel |
| India Air Crash on 07:14 - Jul 12 by BklynRanger |
Good info, and I take the point that it's not a simple manoeuvre. I still think we need to be careful of inferring that one of those two men was a mass murderer.
Maybe whoever moved them went through a process straight after take-off that they would normally do straight after landing? It's clearly not the case of just pushing a button, but a professional pilot with hundreds of hours could probably make that change very quickly. If that was the case it would be an absent-minded error, hard to explain looking back, a complete brain meltdown but with catastrophic consequences.
Also, if it was intentional he took that intention to the grave - in fact denied doing it, rather than making any kind of final statement. That doesn't support guilt or innocence either way but if it had been a political motive that was an opportunity.
It may yet turn out to be murder-suicide - I'm just not comfortable with concluding that without more proof. At this point its a terrible tragedy for all involved, including the pilots. |
Absolutely, pilot suicide is an extraordinary claim that will need extraordinary evidence to support it which I imagine is partly why the investigators haven’t outright stated it yet, also because it’s only the preliminary report so not so relevant yet.
What they have said though is that there was no fuel or mechanical issue and that someone, almost certainly the very experienced captain as he assigned himself PM for the flight, deliberately cut off the fuel at an unrecoverable height and actively denied it. | | | |
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