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We send them 50 migrants a week, they send 50 back. And we pay £800 million for the privilege. Meanwhile 220 have been picked up in the last hour alone.
They are a pair of geniuses. What would we do without them?
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 10:47 - Jul 12 by johnlangy
Many on this site argued that the Rwanda deal would be a deterrent even though just four volunteers went there. Now many people are complaining about this idea which would return, in the first instance, 2500 proper illegals with the UK taking back 2500 legal asylum seekers.
Whether the plan will work or not this is the logic. The arrangement will start at 50 a week and when the process is shown to be working the numbers will increase.
The complaint about the 2500 being deported just being replaced by a different 2500 is a bogus one. That 2500 coming in will arrive fully documented and join up with family (if that's the reason they're eligible) and be able to start work. They will not be put up in hotels, given money etc etc so will not be a drain on UK resources.
The 2500 being deported will not be able to apply for the legal route. If they try to reenter the UK they will be deported again (proved by a DNA test maybe. None of us know the detail). In order to reenter they'd have to find another £5000 or whatever amount. They almost certainly won't do that because they won't be able to fund it.
Then the numbers would be increased to 100/200 etc.
Meanwhile the asylum backlog is dropping quickly. At the end of 2024 it was 91,000. I remember numbers of 170,000 a couple of years ago.
From the little I know this is how it will work. Whether it does or not we'll have to wait and see. But even now we can see how infinitely better it is than the Rwanda scheme would have been when we know that that deal would have resulted in a few hundred being got rid of each year. If it ever worked.
Sorry John but the major complaint is the number of immigrants, we take too many and it has an impact on our crime levels, health care, schools and of course, jobs.
As long as illegals keep on arriving and staying for years, sometimes forever, they will keep on trying. Then to send them back and accept legal immigrants, how does it help because those illegals will head straight for the coast and try again to come here.
Imagine we deport 1 illegal and he succesfully gets back her (lets say twice) then that third time we may have taken 3 legal immigrabts in his place and he's still here anyway, until he's caught.
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Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 12:15 - Jul 12 with 883 views
For anyone that thinks this one in and one out system will work, needs to give their head a wobble.
We should just open up the borders and leave anyone wanting to come here in, better for the country to have a quick death, than to suffer a slow and lingering death.
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 12:15 - Jul 12 by Flashberryjack
For anyone that thinks this one in and one out system will work, needs to give their head a wobble.
We should just open up the borders and leave anyone wanting to come here in, better for the country to have a quick death, than to suffer a slow and lingering death.
What I'd like to know is what happens to these illegals when they're shipped back to France? Are they going to be allowed to stay in France or deported back to wherever they came from?
OR, will they put on a coach and shipped back to the coast to hop on another boat and Macron sits there rubbing his hands at all the money we give him and he's sending us legal and illegal immigrants in return.
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Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 12:24 - Jul 12 with 874 views
They said upto 50 will be the number not 50 a week but where’s the detail, who is going to process them in France. If it is the French how diligent will they be or will it be a tickbox exercise. And if for whatever reason we send one back he’ll be on the next boat across. It was mentioned about taking DNA samples to identify these people and to stop that happening, I can hear the lefty lawyers rubbing their hands together on that one, civil liberties don’t you know. Ruwanda never happened mainly because of the courts, lawyers and lefty politicians even though Irish politicians stated an increase of migrants were moving into Ireland at that time because the word had got out. As a country we’re finished or pretty close to it
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Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 12:29 - Jul 12 with 867 views
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 12:15 - Jul 12 by Flashberryjack
For anyone that thinks this one in and one out system will work, needs to give their head a wobble.
We should just open up the borders and leave anyone wanting to come here in, better for the country to have a quick death, than to suffer a slow and lingering death.
Put yourself in one of these boats. Firstly there is the danger of drowning having paid out a few thousand.
At the moment you get into the water 20m of France and if you do not drown you are looked after very well in UK.
Now even after the risks there is a small chance you will be sent back. Just something else to worry about .
It is also a precedent. If they are all sent back the boats will end. If Rwanda got off the ground it would end.
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 12:18 - Jul 12 by SullutaCreturned
What I'd like to know is what happens to these illegals when they're shipped back to France? Are they going to be allowed to stay in France or deported back to wherever they came from?
OR, will they put on a coach and shipped back to the coast to hop on another boat and Macron sits there rubbing his hands at all the money we give him and he's sending us legal and illegal immigrants in return.
There's no flies on Starmer, he's tucked Macron up like a kipper.
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 13:12 - Jul 12 by Flashberryjack
There's no flies on Starmer, he's tucked Macron up like a kipper.
Stuffed his mouth with gold is the phrase that came to mind for me. Rwanda cost about £700 million. By the end of the current 3-year deal , and adding in various payments made since 2014, we will have paid France slightly more than that and we are still counting.
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Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 16:23 - Jul 12 with 758 views
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 12:18 - Jul 12 by SullutaCreturned
What I'd like to know is what happens to these illegals when they're shipped back to France? Are they going to be allowed to stay in France or deported back to wherever they came from?
OR, will they put on a coach and shipped back to the coast to hop on another boat and Macron sits there rubbing his hands at all the money we give him and he's sending us legal and illegal immigrants in return.
It depends on whether the smugglers have a "no UK no fee" arrangement.
The migrant if they keep details would say I paid you €3000 last month and got sent back. Please can I go free on the next one. If they are wretched people there's is no such arrangement and the migrant would need to find another €3000 or whatever the rate is .
€3000 is a guess. 31,000 in 2025 is €90 million. Plenty of cash for the French to turn a blind eye.. I saw a clip of 4 smugglers getting a ship out to sea and jumping out back to the beach. The gendarme exchanged pleasantries and they went on their way.
It looks like a scam to me with lawyers coast guards French police Holiday Inn Compass all having a lovely summer. As long as no one drowns life is good.
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 16:23 - Jul 12 by ReslovenSwan1
It depends on whether the smugglers have a "no UK no fee" arrangement.
The migrant if they keep details would say I paid you €3000 last month and got sent back. Please can I go free on the next one. If they are wretched people there's is no such arrangement and the migrant would need to find another €3000 or whatever the rate is .
€3000 is a guess. 31,000 in 2025 is €90 million. Plenty of cash for the French to turn a blind eye.. I saw a clip of 4 smugglers getting a ship out to sea and jumping out back to the beach. The gendarme exchanged pleasantries and they went on their way.
It looks like a scam to me with lawyers coast guards French police Holiday Inn Compass all having a lovely summer. As long as no one drowns life is good.
[Post edited 12 Jul 17:43]
"It depends on whether the smugglers have o no UK no no fee arrangement"
good luck with that one!
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Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 17:22 - Jul 12 with 729 views
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 12:15 - Jul 12 by Flashberryjack
For anyone that thinks this one in and one out system will work, needs to give their head a wobble.
We should just open up the borders and leave anyone wanting to come here in, better for the country to have a quick death, than to suffer a slow and lingering death.
What do you think will work Flash ?
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Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 17:35 - Jul 12 with 708 views
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 17:22 - Jul 12 by johnlangy
What do you think will work Flash ?
I'd start with an information campaign across Africa and specially in the coastal camps. Tell them all Illegals will be sent back, anybody caught crossing in people smuggling boats will be denied asylum and won't get any benefits.
Come here legally or don't come at all.
Part of the reason so mnay want to come here is they think we are the land of milk and honey. Divest them of that belief and see what happens. Then set up Asylum centres across the areas where most illegals arrive in Europe and shout it loud, you want to come to the UK do so legally or be refused.
That's a start. Now come rip it apart
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Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 09:00 - Jul 13 with 604 views
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 17:35 - Jul 12 by SullutaCreturned
I'd start with an information campaign across Africa and specially in the coastal camps. Tell them all Illegals will be sent back, anybody caught crossing in people smuggling boats will be denied asylum and won't get any benefits.
Come here legally or don't come at all.
Part of the reason so mnay want to come here is they think we are the land of milk and honey. Divest them of that belief and see what happens. Then set up Asylum centres across the areas where most illegals arrive in Europe and shout it loud, you want to come to the UK do so legally or be refused.
That's a start. Now come rip it apart
I'll try .
The words legal and illegally are the problem. They are classed as illegals while crossing but as soon as they arrive and claim asylum they automatically become asylum seekers. And then, whether we like it or not, we are legally bound to assess whether they have a valid claim. I don't know if it's just the ECHR that requires that.
As far as I understand it we can't deny anyone the right to claim asylum once they are here. We can play around with the benefits system as much as we like but as asylum seekers we'd still have to provide accommodation of some sort, they'd still have to eat and drink, they'd still have to live.
Bore da David.
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Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 09:59 - Jul 13 with 568 views
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 17:35 - Jul 12 by SullutaCreturned
I'd start with an information campaign across Africa and specially in the coastal camps. Tell them all Illegals will be sent back, anybody caught crossing in people smuggling boats will be denied asylum and won't get any benefits.
Come here legally or don't come at all.
Part of the reason so mnay want to come here is they think we are the land of milk and honey. Divest them of that belief and see what happens. Then set up Asylum centres across the areas where most illegals arrive in Europe and shout it loud, you want to come to the UK do so legally or be refused.
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 09:59 - Jul 13 by raynor94
A bit more slashing of dinghys on the French coast by the police, do what we are paying them to do instead of standing there waving them off.
The gangs are there putting people on the dinghy and police just standing there watching
The question I ask is when the boat sets off the smuggler team is on the boat. From clips I have seen the smuggler get into deep water. Then they are clear.
The boat then goes two mile down the coast the the smugglers jump out.
Smash the gangs ?
The clip I saw four people got if the boat back to France talking to French police on the way. They probably knew each other.
These four were guilty right there of crimes the French will not prosecute.
a) Smuggling b) putting children in to great danger c ) not paying tax d) running an illegal operation for cash e) overloading the boat
So why no arrests and prosecution? €200m operation and the love is shares about. Me and you are paying
It's a scam. If it was an unlicenced tourist boat the owners would be in jail. The smugglers are given special " licence" I know why. €200m per annum business. The French police probably have been bought probably the top man. .
Smash the gang starts at the top and he or she is French..
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 09:34 - Jul 13 by johnlangy
I'll try .
The words legal and illegally are the problem. They are classed as illegals while crossing but as soon as they arrive and claim asylum they automatically become asylum seekers. And then, whether we like it or not, we are legally bound to assess whether they have a valid claim. I don't know if it's just the ECHR that requires that.
As far as I understand it we can't deny anyone the right to claim asylum once they are here. We can play around with the benefits system as much as we like but as asylum seekers we'd still have to provide accommodation of some sort, they'd still have to eat and drink, they'd still have to live.
Bore da David.
Hence my suggestion to set up centres in Europe and anyone seeking asylum in the Uk starts there. Also, illegal is crossing the channel in small boats to try and avoid authorities so tell them to use normal transport and claim asylum at the ports and airports, that means opening up places there too.
Cross the channel in a small boat, avoid the authoities and you lose your right to claim asylum in the UK.
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Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 16:48 - Jul 13 with 398 views
All this boat talk seems to be a smokescreen for the people coming into the country through the front door. Likely to be about 40,000 or more illegals on boats this year. BUT, 1,207,000 came through the front door June23- June 24.
30 times the amount arriving by boat.
That is surely a bigger problem than the illegals.
Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 19:25 - Jul 13 with 351 views
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 16:48 - Jul 13 by builthjack
All this boat talk seems to be a smokescreen for the people coming into the country through the front door. Likely to be about 40,000 or more illegals on boats this year. BUT, 1,207,000 came through the front door June23- June 24.
30 times the amount arriving by boat.
That is surely a bigger problem than the illegals.
Net migration was 431,000 in 2024. A lot of people leave as well as arrive.
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Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 22:06 - Jul 13 with 313 views
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 19:25 - Jul 13 by SullutaCreturned
Net migration was 431,000 in 2024. A lot of people leave as well as arrive.
But a lot of the leavers will be back Over 800,000 net in 2023. The country can’t sustain these hundreds of thousands coming in every year.
Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 22:30 - Jul 13 with 296 views
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 19:25 - Jul 13 by SullutaCreturned
Net migration was 431,000 in 2024. A lot of people leave as well as arrive.
I still think the arrivals number is at least as significant as the net immigration figure. The arrivals number more closely reflects the number needing to integrate and adjust to a new environment. Also the replacement of a departing persons with an arriving person is not usually a smooth one when it comes to matters like accommodation and even jobs. We saw for example that a large number recruited by forms to fill care jobs did not in fact end up in such a job.
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Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 00:23 - Jul 14 with 279 views
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 12:37 - Jul 13 by ReslovenSwan1
The question I ask is when the boat sets off the smuggler team is on the boat. From clips I have seen the smuggler get into deep water. Then they are clear.
The boat then goes two mile down the coast the the smugglers jump out.
Smash the gangs ?
The clip I saw four people got if the boat back to France talking to French police on the way. They probably knew each other.
These four were guilty right there of crimes the French will not prosecute.
a) Smuggling b) putting children in to great danger c ) not paying tax d) running an illegal operation for cash e) overloading the boat
So why no arrests and prosecution? €200m operation and the love is shares about. Me and you are paying
It's a scam. If it was an unlicenced tourist boat the owners would be in jail. The smugglers are given special " licence" I know why. €200m per annum business. The French police probably have been bought probably the top man. .
Smash the gang starts at the top and he or she is French..
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Here is the clip. The smugglers w virtually introduce themselves to the French who have must have been instructed not to arrest them for putting children on a grossly over crowded boat. No one know if any can swim.
Smash the gangs? No just say 'have a nice day' and greetings form Monseigneur Inspector General .
Presumably some one with big cash could sue the French Police for allowing smugglers to exploit migrants including children.
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 16:48 - Jul 13 by builthjack
All this boat talk seems to be a smokescreen for the people coming into the country through the front door. Likely to be about 40,000 or more illegals on boats this year. BUT, 1,207,000 came through the front door June23- June 24.
30 times the amount arriving by boat.
That is surely a bigger problem than the illegals.
These are entirely two different matters. One is legal migration where permissions have been given.
The other is illegal smuggling where the authorities are in my opinion complicit.
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 22:30 - Jul 13 by AnotherJohn
I still think the arrivals number is at least as significant as the net immigration figure. The arrivals number more closely reflects the number needing to integrate and adjust to a new environment. Also the replacement of a departing persons with an arriving person is not usually a smooth one when it comes to matters like accommodation and even jobs. We saw for example that a large number recruited by forms to fill care jobs did not in fact end up in such a job.
Realise you are trying to put a neutral spin on this obvious hot topic which is really annoying many of the honest UK citizens who have to fork out taxes for this charade of promises .
Stop illegal immigrants , sorry BBC you do not call them that anymore , PC at its best .
Just why do these people want to come to Britain we are such a soft touch and France accept our hand outs and laugh whilst doing so .
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Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 07:28 - Jul 14 with 227 views
Starmer/Macrons very cunning plan…. on 00:26 - Jul 14 by ReslovenSwan1
These are entirely two different matters. One is legal migration where permissions have been given.
The other is illegal smuggling where the authorities are in my opinion complicit.
Train our own people. Make the scrounges work. Then we wouldn’t need these hundreds of thousands a year “Legals”.
Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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