| Saturday's attendance 17:57 - Aug 18 with 2159 views | johnlangy |
I just checked the attendances in the Champ on Saturday. The only teams below us were Oxford and Wrexham. Just embarrassing.
There are many reasons why people don't attend but there was one problem on Saturday that shouldn't have happened and that was the Club's fault, not the supporters. The problem re online booking.
It's impossible to know how many extra would have turned up if this hadn't happened but if we guessed at 500 that still wouldn't take us above the next lowest which was Preston on 16,797.
Is it that other Clubs are run better ? That they have a far better setup in persuading supporters to turn up ? That they charge less ? That they have better initiatives ? Kids for a quid and all that.
Does anyone know ? |  | | |  |
| Saturday's attendance on 18:39 - Aug 18 with 1424 views | SullutaCreturned |
Maybe we just aren't very well supported?
We don't have a divine right to have larger crowds. We only have a 21k stadium where others have built 25 plus, there's possibly reasons for that.
One of those reasons could be a previous owners total failure to take advantage of our EPL status to out a small extension on and get more kids/families in and get them tied to the Swans. | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 18:44 - Aug 18 with 1409 views | Fireboy2 |
I suspect the poor set up of our ticketing department stopped quite a few from coming.
No excuses for this Saturday 🤔 |  | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 18:54 - Aug 18 with 1381 views | jack247 |
| Saturday's attendance on 18:39 - Aug 18 by SullutaCreturned |
Maybe we just aren't very well supported?
We don't have a divine right to have larger crowds. We only have a 21k stadium where others have built 25 plus, there's possibly reasons for that.
One of those reasons could be a previous owners total failure to take advantage of our EPL status to out a small extension on and get more kids/families in and get them tied to the Swans. |
This is the main reason, way too many of our fans would rather stream than go to the ground. Walking around the city, you see so many people wearing Swans merchandise, it makes me wonder what they do on Saturdays.
The ticketing issues obviously wouldn’t have helped, but apathy is the main issue. | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 19:07 - Aug 18 with 1339 views | Whiterockin |
| Saturday's attendance on 18:54 - Aug 18 by jack247 |
This is the main reason, way too many of our fans would rather stream than go to the ground. Walking around the city, you see so many people wearing Swans merchandise, it makes me wonder what they do on Saturdays.
The ticketing issues obviously wouldn’t have helped, but apathy is the main issue. |
This. They put on the shirt and watch tv just like so many Premier League plastic fans. |  | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 19:11 - Aug 18 with 1327 views | jack247 |
| Saturday's attendance on 19:07 - Aug 18 by Whiterockin |
This. They put on the shirt and watch tv just like so many Premier League plastic fans. |
If we ever get to the playoff final again, they’ll suddenly have a free weekend and Wembley won’t be a problem, even though Landore is a bit much for them.
Sadly, we all know plenty of people like this. | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 19:52 - Aug 18 with 1248 views | TenbySwan |
1 plus 1 would have been there Sat reasons are well documented on another thread.
In addition to the ticketing issue i needed to speak to the ticket Office to book a blue badge parking space which after 3 hours in total on hold proved impossible.
Most companies including Sky, Easyjet etc have a special phone number for accesibility customers to take the stress out of it
That is a reasonable adjustment that could very easily be made |  | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 21:49 - Aug 18 with 1123 views | sw02sea |
| Saturday's attendance on 19:52 - Aug 18 by TenbySwan |
1 plus 1 would have been there Sat reasons are well documented on another thread.
In addition to the ticketing issue i needed to speak to the ticket Office to book a blue badge parking space which after 3 hours in total on hold proved impossible.
Most companies including Sky, Easyjet etc have a special phone number for accesibility customers to take the stress out of it
That is a reasonable adjustment that could very easily be made |
Fair doos to the owners, they’ve done their bit by backing the manager, with good class players. And are actively sourcing another striker. Throw in all the back room appointments to make us a viable football club going forwards, plus trying to maximise more global revenue streams, through attracting the likes of Modric & SD, what’s not to like ?
Personally, after relinquishing my season ticket last year, after finally giving up hope of good football under Lukewarm, Duff, & Martin | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 22:26 - Aug 18 with 1062 views | KeithHaynes |
| Saturday's attendance on 21:49 - Aug 18 by sw02sea |
Fair doos to the owners, they’ve done their bit by backing the manager, with good class players. And are actively sourcing another striker. Throw in all the back room appointments to make us a viable football club going forwards, plus trying to maximise more global revenue streams, through attracting the likes of Modric & SD, what’s not to like ?
Personally, after relinquishing my season ticket last year, after finally giving up hope of good football under Lukewarm, Duff, & Martin |
This is a general issue. I know many many Swans fans, some from being a kid in Haverfordwest to Gloucester, Bristol and many other towns in England since the MAGS formed in 1992. I still keep up with many of them. Some now watch local league football citing it as a better day out, far cheaper, less over the top stewarding and many other aspects. Many of these won’t return. Out of the thirty or so I know really well I would say no more than seven have season tickets now. Almost all of them had season tickets before. I spoke to around six on the weekend who gave up on getting a ticket online, one who had the same issues as Tenby Swan. The fans have to be encouraged back by the club, the management of the Swans need to wake up as all these issues, access to tickets, advertising matches, outlets outside of Swansea especially in west wales where we are by far the biggest fanbase. Access is key, communication is key, the ability to recognise issues and report them with details on the official site is key. They don’t do it.
All of these matters impact on the Swans fanbase, and clearly some people have had enough. If we can take 40,000 to Wembley (some say 46,000 for the league cup final with Bradford retuned tickets) then the customer and support base is there.
No excuses it’s the fans who get impacted upon every time. |  |
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| Saturday's attendance on 22:28 - Aug 18 with 1060 views | owainglyndwr |
I think family prices are a issue, ok the club have a offer next weekend but really it would be better all season .
Another thing unless you support the Swans getting emails etc how would you know of offers .
Yiu never see it being promoted anywhere . |  | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 22:28 - Aug 18 with 1060 views | johnlangy |
Apathy was mentioned. Why does it not apply to other teams ?
Blackburn pop 157,000 - crowd 19,552, Preston pop 148,000 - crowd 16,800, Swansea pop 251,000 - crowd 15,800. Then there's Norwich pop 144,000 - crowd 26,500. | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 00:02 - Aug 19 with 995 views | Fireboy2 |
| Saturday's attendance on 22:28 - Aug 18 by johnlangy |
Apathy was mentioned. Why does it not apply to other teams ?
Blackburn pop 157,000 - crowd 19,552, Preston pop 148,000 - crowd 16,800, Swansea pop 251,000 - crowd 15,800. Then there's Norwich pop 144,000 - crowd 26,500. |
Football is no 1 by a mile in those 3 areas you mention, whereas in swansea isn't. | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 06:40 - Aug 19 with 871 views | jack247 |
| Saturday's attendance on 22:28 - Aug 18 by johnlangy |
Apathy was mentioned. Why does it not apply to other teams ?
Blackburn pop 157,000 - crowd 19,552, Preston pop 148,000 - crowd 16,800, Swansea pop 251,000 - crowd 15,800. Then there's Norwich pop 144,000 - crowd 26,500. |
That’s kind of what I mean. We have very poor attendances for a single club city of our size. Cardiff are the same.
I’m guessing more people in those places see the club as part of the community abd get behind it. | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 07:00 - Aug 19 with 855 views | owainglyndwr |
| Saturday's attendance on 00:02 - Aug 19 by Fireboy2 |
Football is no 1 by a mile in those 3 areas you mention, whereas in swansea isn't. |
But on top of the Swansea population, we have a massive catchment area , from Port Talbot to West Wales , Neath , Large Towns and Villages the Swansea and Amman Valleys , Carmarthen
Maybe more promoting the club's plans/deals and what is going on outside of Swansea in these areas .
People are lazy. You need there is a need to be in thier faces | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 07:08 - Aug 19 with 848 views | PawelAbbott |
I know quite a few people who were season ticket holders for many years who have now stopped. There is a small number that wouldnt support the previous owners and there is a larger proportion who got fed up with the dross served up by Martin, Duff and Williams.
They will probably return if how the team perform improves. That's not just results but entertainment. Swans fans are used to a mediocre side not winning every week. But, they don't want to be bored for 90 minutes and then told it was a great performance | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 07:37 - Aug 19 with 816 views | raynor94 |
An interesting point is that the year we were promoted to the Premier league our average gate was just over 15000 |  |
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| Saturday's attendance on 07:44 - Aug 19 with 807 views | jack247 |
| Saturday's attendance on 07:08 - Aug 19 by PawelAbbott |
I know quite a few people who were season ticket holders for many years who have now stopped. There is a small number that wouldnt support the previous owners and there is a larger proportion who got fed up with the dross served up by Martin, Duff and Williams.
They will probably return if how the team perform improves. That's not just results but entertainment. Swans fans are used to a mediocre side not winning every week. But, they don't want to be bored for 90 minutes and then told it was a great performance |
Whereas in Norwich etc, people would have supported the club through thick and thin. Even if they stopped in a protest about owners or managers, they would be back the game after that that person left the club.
They wouldn’t wait for results and entertainment (they’ll probably never get that at Preston), they’d just get behind their team. | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 08:13 - Aug 19 with 774 views | EagleEye |
All of the reasons discussed are relevant to some extent.
I would add that earnings, relative wealth & poverty in the Swans catchment area is way worse than all of the clubs mentioned in this discussion |  | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 09:55 - Aug 19 with 659 views | Whiterockin |
| Saturday's attendance on 07:37 - Aug 19 by raynor94 |
An interesting point is that the year we were promoted to the Premier league our average gate was just over 15000 |
I was going to post similar. Personally I didnt think Saturdays attendance was that bad and about where we are attendance wise plus the atmosphere was excellent. Our average attendance in our promotion year was 15,500 and the whole landscape of viewing football has changed since then. We now have some who watch football live at the stadium, some who watch football live via Sky or a stream and some who watch only YouTube highlights who think they know it all. This Saturday will be interesting to see the attendance as it is a 12.30 KO on a bank holiday weekend and live on Sky. If Watford bring about the same I can't see it being many more, but let's wait and see. The EFL has sold its soul to Sky and TV revenue now dwarfs matchday income. I just hope we continue to have enough through the turnstiles to repeat last Saturday's atmosphere. | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 10:22 - Aug 19 with 619 views | raynor94 |
| Saturday's attendance on 09:55 - Aug 19 by Whiterockin |
I was going to post similar. Personally I didnt think Saturdays attendance was that bad and about where we are attendance wise plus the atmosphere was excellent. Our average attendance in our promotion year was 15,500 and the whole landscape of viewing football has changed since then. We now have some who watch football live at the stadium, some who watch football live via Sky or a stream and some who watch only YouTube highlights who think they know it all. This Saturday will be interesting to see the attendance as it is a 12.30 KO on a bank holiday weekend and live on Sky. If Watford bring about the same I can't see it being many more, but let's wait and see. The EFL has sold its soul to Sky and TV revenue now dwarfs matchday income. I just hope we continue to have enough through the turnstiles to repeat last Saturday's atmosphere. |
Yep I think this sky sports + is a bad thing we now have 3 games from each division kicking off at 12 30 pm it's getting people out of the habit of watching live games | |
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| Saturday's attendance on 10:25 - Aug 19 with 610 views | Whiterockin |
| Saturday's attendance on 10:22 - Aug 19 by raynor94 |
Yep I think this sky sports + is a bad thing we now have 3 games from each division kicking off at 12 30 pm it's getting people out of the habit of watching live games |
Midweek in winter is going to kill us attendance wise. Many who don't drive can't get home after games and if the weather is bad others will just stay home or go to the local and watch it on TV. | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 10:52 - Aug 19 with 573 views | Gaz_M |
| Saturday's attendance on 00:02 - Aug 19 by Fireboy2 |
Football is no 1 by a mile in those 3 areas you mention, whereas in swansea isn't. |
Really? What sports are competing with it?
Certainly not rugby. | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 10:54 - Aug 19 with 555 views | Fireboy2 |
| Saturday's attendance on 10:52 - Aug 19 by Gaz_M |
Really? What sports are competing with it?
Certainly not rugby. |
Id say rugby does compete, there are alot of dyed in the wool rugby people in swansea and surrounding areas that will never watch football. | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 11:32 - Aug 19 with 483 views | Whiterockin |
| Saturday's attendance on 10:52 - Aug 19 by Gaz_M |
Really? What sports are competing with it?
Certainly not rugby. |
Just because Ospreys don't have big crowds it doesn't mean there aren't a large number in our catchment area watching and participating in local rugby. I've never watched the Ospreys live but I watch local rugby from juniors to seniors often on weekends and midweek. Would I watch rugby instead of the Swans never, but the majority attending these games would. | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 11:41 - Aug 19 with 447 views | Gaz_M |
| Saturday's attendance on 10:54 - Aug 19 by Fireboy2 |
Id say rugby does compete, there are alot of dyed in the wool rugby people in swansea and surrounding areas that will never watch football. |
Rugby attendances for the hobby clubs and the regions are very low. Sure, it's a factor - but a very, very small one.
It's not so much about competing sports (rugby really isn't a competitor) it's just people aren't that interested in the Swans, lots still support prem clubs, and it's a really very poor area.
Wales hasn't been a rugby nation for a long time. Proper antiquated idea that. | | | |
| Saturday's attendance on 11:52 - Aug 19 with 424 views | Whiterockin |
| Saturday's attendance on 11:41 - Aug 19 by Gaz_M |
Rugby attendances for the hobby clubs and the regions are very low. Sure, it's a factor - but a very, very small one.
It's not so much about competing sports (rugby really isn't a competitor) it's just people aren't that interested in the Swans, lots still support prem clubs, and it's a really very poor area.
Wales hasn't been a rugby nation for a long time. Proper antiquated idea that. |
Some of the rugby games I watch have attendances of a couple of hundred. Multiply that up through the catchment area and it's thousands. Ignore it if you like but it's a factor, particularly the further out of Swansea you go. It's quite a nice social afternoon/evening. | | | |
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