| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... 17:06 - Aug 19 with 3704 views | theloneranger |
"Asylum seekers are due to be removed from an Essex hotel after a council was granted a temporary High Court injunction blocking them from being housed there."
"The injunction was sought by Epping Forest District Council to stop migrants being placed at The Bell Hotel in Epping, which is owned by Somani Hotels Limited."
"Mr Justice Eyre made his judgement after refusing an 11th-hour effort from Home Secretary Yvette Cooper to get the council's case dismissed."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy98gdnrl7lo |  |
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| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 18:23 - Aug 21 with 1033 views | onehunglow |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 18:12 - Aug 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
This is probably the only country in the world where flying your own flag is seen as problematic or inherently bad.
The lunatics have really taken over the last few decades. |
It’s worrying that prior to me , nobody uparrowed this post |  |
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| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 18:44 - Aug 21 with 993 views | controversial_jack |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 18:12 - Aug 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
This is probably the only country in the world where flying your own flag is seen as problematic or inherently bad.
The lunatics have really taken over the last few decades. |
It's been hijacked by English nationalists, the far right and football fans. That is how it's seen | | | |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 18:53 - Aug 21 with 985 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 18:44 - Aug 21 by controversial_jack |
It's been hijacked by English nationalists, the far right and football fans. That is how it's seen |
It's not how it's seen it's how it's portrayed, I saw those far right nutters supporting the English women's football team, there were flags, banners hats and young girls joining in. |  |
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| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 21:30 - Aug 21 with 896 views | Scotia |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 18:12 - Aug 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
This is probably the only country in the world where flying your own flag is seen as problematic or inherently bad.
The lunatics have really taken over the last few decades. |
It's bizarre. All the negativity around flag waving achieves is to push people further to the right and give people like Stephen Y-L more ammo.
Ironically probably the best way to solve the issue is for more people to fly the national flag in more places. | | | |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 21:37 - Aug 21 with 876 views | Scotia |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 10:11 - Aug 21 by AnotherJohn |
June figures now out show a 8% rise in the number of asylum seekers in Home Office funded hotels in Labour's first year in power. The number of hotels is down but number of occupants is up.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/asylum-hotel-numbers-up-8-on-last-
As mentioned above, this takes no account of hotels paid for by councils, which I would venture to guess has increased, given the way so many migrants have been waved through to refugee status and will not be able to find their own accommodation.
Scotia doesn't seem to want to address the question of the total number of hotel places financed from public funds. Talk about obfuscation! [Post edited 21 Aug 10:16]
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It's a totally different issue. We have to provide accomodation for asylum seekers, but not refugees.
If a refugee ends up in a hotel / B&B it'll be under the rules and prioritisation as a British person.
The problem is a lack of housing for those who need it either through citizenship or invite. | | | |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 07:02 - Aug 22 with 791 views | AnotherJohn |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 21:37 - Aug 21 by Scotia |
It's a totally different issue. We have to provide accomodation for asylum seekers, but not refugees.
If a refugee ends up in a hotel / B&B it'll be under the rules and prioritisation as a British person.
The problem is a lack of housing for those who need it either through citizenship or invite. |
I genuinely cannot see how you cannot grasp the simple point that the change of status from asylum seeker to refugee does not reduce the overall bill to the public purse if a significant proportion of the same people remain in hotels. Of course, in presentational terms it suits the government to compartmentalise the different categories of recent migrants and understate the real cost.
Re your new point, when we have been admitting around a million legal and illegal immigrants p.a. in recent years, and even allowing for people leaving the UK and churn in finding accommodation, housing supply has no prospect of keeping up with demand. It makes no sense to say the problem is that we don't build enough homes, when the financing of this would have been extremely problematic. You may recall that the question being debated is the total number and cost of recent migrants in hotels. [Post edited 22 Aug 7:03]
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| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 07:36 - Aug 22 with 774 views | Scotia |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 07:02 - Aug 22 by AnotherJohn |
I genuinely cannot see how you cannot grasp the simple point that the change of status from asylum seeker to refugee does not reduce the overall bill to the public purse if a significant proportion of the same people remain in hotels. Of course, in presentational terms it suits the government to compartmentalise the different categories of recent migrants and understate the real cost.
Re your new point, when we have been admitting around a million legal and illegal immigrants p.a. in recent years, and even allowing for people leaving the UK and churn in finding accommodation, housing supply has no prospect of keeping up with demand. It makes no sense to say the problem is that we don't build enough homes, when the financing of this would have been extremely problematic. You may recall that the question being debated is the total number and cost of recent migrants in hotels. [Post edited 22 Aug 7:03]
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The difference is the 'if" there is no "if" with an asylum seeker, we pay for them to live somewhere.
A Refugee can work and pay their own way, the may even be in a well paid job and buy their own property.
We've been admitting millions of migrants (the vast majority legal) because we need them and should be providing them with a place to pay to live. Remove the need and immigration solves itself.
Private companies have managed to rapidly build accomodation for students, at huge profit I don't doubt, the largest residential developments in Swansea are all student blocks. The government could have done the same.
The fundamental problem is social and affordable housing stock has been allowed to dwindle and not migration. | | | |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 08:13 - Aug 22 with 747 views | AnotherJohn |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 07:36 - Aug 22 by Scotia |
The difference is the 'if" there is no "if" with an asylum seeker, we pay for them to live somewhere.
A Refugee can work and pay their own way, the may even be in a well paid job and buy their own property.
We've been admitting millions of migrants (the vast majority legal) because we need them and should be providing them with a place to pay to live. Remove the need and immigration solves itself.
Private companies have managed to rapidly build accomodation for students, at huge profit I don't doubt, the largest residential developments in Swansea are all student blocks. The government could have done the same.
The fundamental problem is social and affordable housing stock has been allowed to dwindle and not migration. |
Well, mentioning "if" suggests you do not believe that LAs are picking up some hotel bills. That brings us to the question of how many recent migrants are in hotels funded by councils, which I had already said is unclear and something we need to know.
You imply that when an asylum seeker becomes a refugee their position regarding eligibility for local authority provision of accommodation is the same as for anybody else. This is incorrect because official guidance pushes LAs towards making special provision for refugees. For example, following the recent extension of the "move on" period (so that refugees can stay in asylum accommodation for 56 days after a positive decision), the Local Government Association reported that new guidance along the following lines was issued.
"Newly recognised refugees will be signposted to councils for housing support and advice. Councils will be able to use the initial decision letter sent to newly recognised refugees as evidence of homelessness, with further information in an asylum move on process map. The Home Office’s accommodation providers also will contact councils with a list of those moving on from accommodation within two days of being notified by the Home Office. In SERCO regions, this is currently within five working days."
https://www.local.gov.uk/topics/communities/refugees-and-asylum-seekers/refugees
Are you really saying that significant numbers of persons with a recent grant of asylum are not still in hotels/B&Bs and HMOs paid for from public funds? [Post edited 22 Aug 8:36]
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| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 09:32 - Aug 22 with 698 views | Scotia |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 08:13 - Aug 22 by AnotherJohn |
Well, mentioning "if" suggests you do not believe that LAs are picking up some hotel bills. That brings us to the question of how many recent migrants are in hotels funded by councils, which I had already said is unclear and something we need to know.
You imply that when an asylum seeker becomes a refugee their position regarding eligibility for local authority provision of accommodation is the same as for anybody else. This is incorrect because official guidance pushes LAs towards making special provision for refugees. For example, following the recent extension of the "move on" period (so that refugees can stay in asylum accommodation for 56 days after a positive decision), the Local Government Association reported that new guidance along the following lines was issued.
"Newly recognised refugees will be signposted to councils for housing support and advice. Councils will be able to use the initial decision letter sent to newly recognised refugees as evidence of homelessness, with further information in an asylum move on process map. The Home Office’s accommodation providers also will contact councils with a list of those moving on from accommodation within two days of being notified by the Home Office. In SERCO regions, this is currently within five working days."
https://www.local.gov.uk/topics/communities/refugees-and-asylum-seekers/refugees
Are you really saying that significant numbers of persons with a recent grant of asylum are not still in hotels/B&Bs and HMOs paid for from public funds? [Post edited 22 Aug 8:36]
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They're only in that accomodation for a very limited time frame, then they join the queue of others in need of housing.
As stated in the link:-
"asylum applicant receiving a decision and having to leave their Home Office accommodation to be more in line with existing statutory responsibilities for those at risk of homelessness."
Mrs Scotia is social worker, with responsibility for housing some refugees make extraordinary demands. One for American style fridge freezer this week alone. They didn't get it. Nobody would. | | | |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 09:42 - Aug 22 with 679 views | AnotherJohn |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 09:32 - Aug 22 by Scotia |
They're only in that accomodation for a very limited time frame, then they join the queue of others in need of housing.
As stated in the link:-
"asylum applicant receiving a decision and having to leave their Home Office accommodation to be more in line with existing statutory responsibilities for those at risk of homelessness."
Mrs Scotia is social worker, with responsibility for housing some refugees make extraordinary demands. One for American style fridge freezer this week alone. They didn't get it. Nobody would. |
You mentioned prioritisation and if the guidance cited doesn't amount to that, I don't know what does. How can we know the accommodation will be short-term, when so many new people are getting asylum? And anyway wasn't the discussion about hotel occupancy, which is by definition short-term accommodation? It is likely (as recent data on the high % of households in receipt of benefits containing a foreign national suggests) that many refugees will eventually become long-term social housing tenants supported at least in part by benefits. As per usual, rather then have endless exchanges, I think we've got to the stage where the arguments are out in the open and people on the board will be able to make up their own minds. [Post edited 22 Aug 10:06]
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| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 09:43 - Aug 22 with 679 views | controversial_jack |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 09:32 - Aug 22 by Scotia |
They're only in that accomodation for a very limited time frame, then they join the queue of others in need of housing.
As stated in the link:-
"asylum applicant receiving a decision and having to leave their Home Office accommodation to be more in line with existing statutory responsibilities for those at risk of homelessness."
Mrs Scotia is social worker, with responsibility for housing some refugees make extraordinary demands. One for American style fridge freezer this week alone. They didn't get it. Nobody would. |
We took in thousands of Ukranians and nobody complained. They were given accommodation and allowed to work. They weren't destitute. The vast majority of Ukraine hasn't seen conflict and millions still live there and are getting on with their lives | | | |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 11:07 - Aug 22 with 630 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 09:43 - Aug 22 by controversial_jack |
We took in thousands of Ukranians and nobody complained. They were given accommodation and allowed to work. They weren't destitute. The vast majority of Ukraine hasn't seen conflict and millions still live there and are getting on with their lives |
https://www.unrefugees.org/emergencies/ukraine/ | |
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| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 13:58 - Aug 22 with 575 views | controversial_jack |
They were not destitute. It's the same in Europe. Many go back to visit families or take vacations. They are economic refugees allowed to work and live among the population | | | |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 18:36 - Aug 22 with 511 views | raynor94 |
What a shocker on the Welsh news tonight they are using the Holiday Inn next door to Cardiff Airport to house Afghans why it's in the middle of nowhere have used it many times before flying obviously the government pay more than holiday makers |  |
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| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 19:49 - Aug 22 with 450 views | theloneranger |
"The government is seeking the right to appeal against a High Court ruling which blocks asylum seekers being housed in an Essex hotel.
Earlier this week, Epping Forest District Council was granted a temporary injunction to stop people being placed at the Bell Hotel in Epping.
The court refused a last-minute effort from Home Secretary Yvette Cooper to intervene and get the council's case dismissed.
If successful in its new bid to be involved, the government is then expected to consider a further appeal against the ruling itself.
Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said the government was committed to closing all asylum hotels, but said it needed to happen in "a properly managed way".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5p2ye95z9o | |
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| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 19:54 - Aug 22 with 443 views | Scotia |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 18:36 - Aug 22 by raynor94 |
What a shocker on the Welsh news tonight they are using the Holiday Inn next door to Cardiff Airport to house Afghans why it's in the middle of nowhere have used it many times before flying obviously the government pay more than holiday makers |
It's been closed to the general public since Covid when it was used to house the homeless.
The Afghans using it now are known to be in danger because they worked for the British forces. | | | |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 20:06 - Aug 22 with 429 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 19:54 - Aug 22 by Scotia |
It's been closed to the general public since Covid when it was used to house the homeless.
The Afghans using it now are known to be in danger because they worked for the British forces. |
The Taliban have offered an amnesty but no one trusts them.It is unlikely they would be identified as 4m are return from Iran. New identity new papers I dou t erthe Taliban would have any idea who thein y were That is my feeling.
I suspect a some opportunism. Those involved in crimes in UK should be shown the door and told to take their chances. Losers in wars are always in a precarious place. |  |
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| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 20:45 - Aug 22 with 408 views | Scotia |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 20:06 - Aug 22 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Taliban have offered an amnesty but no one trusts them.It is unlikely they would be identified as 4m are return from Iran. New identity new papers I dou t erthe Taliban would have any idea who thein y were That is my feeling.
I suspect a some opportunism. Those involved in crimes in UK should be shown the door and told to take their chances. Losers in wars are always in a precarious place. |
They're already identified, they've been in exile in Pakistan. A flight was chartered to bring them here. We know who they are, they helped British forces.
I think those protesting should be totally ashamed. They residents have probably saved British forces lives.
To think Stan from the racist voice of Wales was in the forces shows how much of a moron he is. | | | |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 21:32 - Aug 22 with 369 views | Scotia |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 09:42 - Aug 22 by AnotherJohn |
You mentioned prioritisation and if the guidance cited doesn't amount to that, I don't know what does. How can we know the accommodation will be short-term, when so many new people are getting asylum? And anyway wasn't the discussion about hotel occupancy, which is by definition short-term accommodation? It is likely (as recent data on the high % of households in receipt of benefits containing a foreign national suggests) that many refugees will eventually become long-term social housing tenants supported at least in part by benefits. As per usual, rather then have endless exchanges, I think we've got to the stage where the arguments are out in the open and people on the board will be able to make up their own minds. [Post edited 22 Aug 10:06]
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The guidance clearly states it doesn't. They get in the queue with the rest of those in need.
You don't see refugees on the street because they aren't usually addicts and will spend their (usually earned) cash on getting a roof over their heads before anything else. | | | |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 01:29 - Aug 23 with 316 views | Robbie |
Government now in panic mode , stop a sensible decision made by at last a decent Judge and not put any illegal immigrants in unwelcome stop overs on local residents doorsteps .
More High Court claims and arguements to follow , obviously the UK taxpayer will pay this appalling Governments legal fees and expenses , lawyers rubbing their hands already .
Just hope The High Court stand firm and ask all the planning permission questions needed to just who set up these dives in the shortest time span .
Hotel Owners and sell out merchants who get the big contracts should also be black listed .
I will now check where I have had an overnighter in the past . | | | |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 09:12 - Aug 23 with 235 views | AnotherJohn |
I've been amusing myself by searching for information on how much councils are spending on (a) temporary housing support in general and (b) how much of this goes on recent migrants. It is very difficult to get anything more than anecdotal reports. However, there was a recent Lords debate on Local Authorities: Temporary Housing Costs, which gives some idea of the government central contribution to LA costs.
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government (Baroness Taylor of Stevenage) (Lab) gave the answers below.
"My Lords, this Government recognise that homelessness levels are far too high and that this can have a devastating effect on those involved. It also places a huge financial strain on councils providing temporary accommodation. We have allocated an extra £233 million to councils directly for homelessness, taking total funding to nearly £1 billion this year (...) We currently spend around £30 billion annually on housing support. The April 2024 one-year local housing allowance increase cost an additional £1.2 billion in 2024-25 and will cost £7 billion over five years."
This extra allocation is for temporary housing support, which would include hotels, B&Bs and HMOs, and this area does seem to be a current pressure point and something also funded from council tax . As far as I can see, this is quite separate from Home Office funding for asylum accommodation, so overall temporary accommodation support consumes a lot of money and I would be surprised if a lot of this isn't going to support refugees. | | | |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 10:10 - Aug 23 with 199 views | Demitrius |
" We currently spend around £30 billion annually on housing support. The April 2024 one-year local housing allowance increase cost an additional £1.2 billion in 2024-25 and will cost £7 billion over five years."
This why I believe Reeves is now coming for our pensions and properties, to pay for this snowballing financial mess that's been going on for years. I can see her pushing this through but then also going for an IMF bailout so the British people end up getting doubly shafted. Interesting, if worrying, times |  | | |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 10:30 - Aug 23 with 191 views | Boundy |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 19:54 - Aug 22 by Scotia |
It's been closed to the general public since Covid when it was used to house the homeless.
The Afghans using it now are known to be in danger because they worked for the British forces. |
I think you'll find the UK government is struggling to confirm or deny the "assistance" these particular afghans gave UK forces . | |
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| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 12:46 - Aug 23 with 139 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 20:45 - Aug 22 by Scotia |
They're already identified, they've been in exile in Pakistan. A flight was chartered to bring them here. We know who they are, they helped British forces.
I think those protesting should be totally ashamed. They residents have probably saved British forces lives.
To think Stan from the racist voice of Wales was in the forces shows how much of a moron he is. |
They can be identified and unidentified with new identities. UK state seems totally incompetent in identifying anyone. Do the Taliban have a department retribution for all perceived traitors?. With 6 m returning that is a hell of a job for a bearded bloke.
"You worked with the Brits for a month".
"Pass Go well done here is a passport free schooling free health service benefits free house."
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You might be at risk but you might not. Taliban says come back there is an amnesty. Converting to Christianity would be an automatic visa as the bearded one certainly would not like that.
Very few saved lives. Most just ensured there was amble supplies of tea coffee and toilet roll in Camp Bastion.
I am not against refuge at all but we need a new constitution.. We need a "refuge citizenship". Stay here but no benefits unless you earn and pay tax and national insurance for at least 5 years.
The boat people have £1000s for smugglers but not the British state and taxpayer.
The lawyer judiciary and Government ard asleep at the wheel. They should have seen the immigrant crisis coming from at least 2013.
The right of the individual superceded the right of the taxpayer.
I am not seeing any good practical ideas from Reform. They need to put the flags away and see taxpayer as their spiritual guidance not the flag wavers who nay be or not be actual taxpayers.
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| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 15:26 - Aug 23 with 48 views | Scotia |
| Court rules asylum seekers must be moved from hotel ... on 12:46 - Aug 23 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They can be identified and unidentified with new identities. UK state seems totally incompetent in identifying anyone. Do the Taliban have a department retribution for all perceived traitors?. With 6 m returning that is a hell of a job for a bearded bloke.
"You worked with the Brits for a month".
"Pass Go well done here is a passport free schooling free health service benefits free house."
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You might be at risk but you might not. Taliban says come back there is an amnesty. Converting to Christianity would be an automatic visa as the bearded one certainly would not like that.
Very few saved lives. Most just ensured there was amble supplies of tea coffee and toilet roll in Camp Bastion.
I am not against refuge at all but we need a new constitution.. We need a "refuge citizenship". Stay here but no benefits unless you earn and pay tax and national insurance for at least 5 years.
The boat people have £1000s for smugglers but not the British state and taxpayer.
The lawyer judiciary and Government ard asleep at the wheel. They should have seen the immigrant crisis coming from at least 2013.
The right of the individual superceded the right of the taxpayer.
I am not seeing any good practical ideas from Reform. They need to put the flags away and see taxpayer as their spiritual guidance not the flag wavers who nay be or not be actual taxpayers.
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How do we give Afghans new Afghan identities without the Afghan authorities knowing?
If we didn't meddle in foreign affairs that are nothing to do with us they wouldn't need to come here in the first place. These aren't boat people, we owe them one. | | | |
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