| Flags 09:29 - Aug 22 with 3597 views | SonicBoom |
Seems to be a touchy subject - but on my commute to Whiteley each day I notice people are tying uion jacks to bridges over the motorways. Also close to Redbridge roundabout there's a bridge with flags on stating "Southampton Patriots".
I'm not entirely sure what the point is? |  | | |  |
| Flags on 10:23 - Aug 27 with 479 views | DorsetIan |
| Flags on 07:51 - Aug 27 by Bazza |
A lot of Hamas supporters on here or are you just Jew haters? |
Are you working for the Israeli propaganda department?
Not Hamas Supporters
Not Jew haters
People expressing solidarity with Palestinians. It's not difficult, and your attempts to characterise it is as something it's not is intended to distract from what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank at the moment. |  |
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| Flags on 10:54 - Aug 27 with 452 views | saint901 |
I think many people here and elsewhere recognise that a state could and should be able to protect itself from violent terrorism.
I also think that the way to counter that situation is not to indiscriminately kill dozens of innocent people (those with no connection to the terrorist organisation or operation) in the hope (and often false claim) that one or two "key terrorist" officers are amongst the casualty list.
The better - more human - way is to address the key reasons why a terrorist organisation exists and why they feel that violence is the only answer.
Ignoring the false flags of religion, I think we can agree that Israel was created by the Western powers from perhaps the start/middle of the first world war. Those powers lost control of their creation and Israel (as a state) has been in the political hands of mainly extremist views ever since. This has seen land grabs, illegal settlement building, settler violence encouraged and denial of basic human rights and aid. It has also seen bus bombings, armed excursions into city centres and worse.
There are no winners here and cannot be until the underlying political issues can be solved. And there is no sign of that.
Many counties - including those with a hand in creating the situation - have come out and said that Israel has gone too far. It's time to stop and talk. Until Trump tells Israel this, we will not see it. Trump is empowering a megalomaniac whose only motive is to cling to power (otherwise he'd be in prison). Until that changes, much of the western world at least will see a decline in support for Israel and its actions even if we understand that the terrorists are just as capable as using the situation for their own ends.
Even if I thought the old testament was a reliable philosophy - (I don't) - it says an eye for an eye. Israel has gone way beyond that and claiming that they are justified in doing so lost its credence long ago. | | | |
| Flags on 14:23 - Aug 27 with 397 views | hedgeend61 |
| Flags on 02:56 - Aug 27 by saint22 |
That’s a far too intellectual statement |
3 in the morning dribble Nobbs, we still posting dribble from across the pond?  or back in Blighty now? |  | | |
| Flags on 15:15 - Aug 27 with 382 views | Bazza |
| Flags on 10:54 - Aug 27 by saint901 |
I think many people here and elsewhere recognise that a state could and should be able to protect itself from violent terrorism.
I also think that the way to counter that situation is not to indiscriminately kill dozens of innocent people (those with no connection to the terrorist organisation or operation) in the hope (and often false claim) that one or two "key terrorist" officers are amongst the casualty list.
The better - more human - way is to address the key reasons why a terrorist organisation exists and why they feel that violence is the only answer.
Ignoring the false flags of religion, I think we can agree that Israel was created by the Western powers from perhaps the start/middle of the first world war. Those powers lost control of their creation and Israel (as a state) has been in the political hands of mainly extremist views ever since. This has seen land grabs, illegal settlement building, settler violence encouraged and denial of basic human rights and aid. It has also seen bus bombings, armed excursions into city centres and worse.
There are no winners here and cannot be until the underlying political issues can be solved. And there is no sign of that.
Many counties - including those with a hand in creating the situation - have come out and said that Israel has gone too far. It's time to stop and talk. Until Trump tells Israel this, we will not see it. Trump is empowering a megalomaniac whose only motive is to cling to power (otherwise he'd be in prison). Until that changes, much of the western world at least will see a decline in support for Israel and its actions even if we understand that the terrorists are just as capable as using the situation for their own ends.
Even if I thought the old testament was a reliable philosophy - (I don't) - it says an eye for an eye. Israel has gone way beyond that and claiming that they are justified in doing so lost its credence long ago. |
Very good analysis. Comment I would add is that Hamas started the bloodshed with an act of incredible butchery and still retains hostages. Also Netanyahu is unpopular in his own country but is shored up by minority coalition partners. | | | |
| Flags on 16:15 - Aug 27 with 360 views | DorsetIan |
| Flags on 15:15 - Aug 27 by Bazza |
Very good analysis. Comment I would add is that Hamas started the bloodshed with an act of incredible butchery and still retains hostages. Also Netanyahu is unpopular in his own country but is shored up by minority coalition partners. |
You don't believe there was any bloodshed before October 7th?
Which is not to excuse October 7th but let's at least get the facts straight.
Israel's narrative is:
1. This started on 7th October
2. Isreal's response to 7th October was and still is reasonable
3. Anyone who questions 1&2 is anti-semitic
None of this is true. | |
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| Flags on 16:38 - Aug 27 with 349 views | Bazza |
| Flags on 16:15 - Aug 27 by DorsetIan |
You don't believe there was any bloodshed before October 7th?
Which is not to excuse October 7th but let's at least get the facts straight.
Israel's narrative is:
1. This started on 7th October
2. Isreal's response to 7th October was and still is reasonable
3. Anyone who questions 1&2 is anti-semitic
None of this is true. |
Of course I don’t believe there was no bloodshed before Oct 7th but that appalling event and taking of hostages triggered the major response beyond previous awful bombing by both sides. Without doubt Hamas expected it. | | | |
| Flags on 16:39 - Aug 27 with 345 views | saint901 |
Important to remember also that from 1929 onwards, there were many acts of what might be described as terrorism by both Arab and Jewish peoples.
Arguably the modern state of Israel grew out of the movements that existed then and which the western powers failed to control.
I'm not condoning what any terrorist organisation does but at some point along the journey from disaffected outcast to founder of nations, people/organisations go from terrorist to freedom fighter.
In my head freedom fighter means attacking military or civilian infrastructure.
Terrorist means attacking the above plus civilians who get in the way.
Not a perfect definition I accept.
Both sides have long since stepped over the dividing line. | | | |
| Flags on 17:02 - Aug 27 with 332 views | DorsetIan |
| Flags on 16:38 - Aug 27 by Bazza |
Of course I don’t believe there was no bloodshed before Oct 7th but that appalling event and taking of hostages triggered the major response beyond previous awful bombing by both sides. Without doubt Hamas expected it. |
You said that Hamas 'started the bloodshed'.
Hopefully we can all agree that Hamas committed an appalling act of inhumanity and barbarity on 7 October, and the Israeli state has responded in kind since then.
But nothing 'started' on that date. It's only the Israelis that peddle that lie - and the other two that I mentioned. | |
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| Flags on 18:03 - Aug 27 with 313 views | Bazza |
| Flags on 17:02 - Aug 27 by DorsetIan |
You said that Hamas 'started the bloodshed'.
Hopefully we can all agree that Hamas committed an appalling act of inhumanity and barbarity on 7 October, and the Israeli state has responded in kind since then.
But nothing 'started' on that date. It's only the Israelis that peddle that lie - and the other two that I mentioned. |
Of course you are right. Plenty of bloodshed from both sides before Oct 7th. Certainly Israel knows that. | | | |
| Flags on 09:17 - Aug 28 with 236 views | jopreston |
| Flags on 10:18 - Aug 27 by DorsetIan |
What are you saying?
That the Palestinian flag represents child sexual exploitation and the flag of St George represents women and child safety?
If this is what it going on in the minds of these St George's flag wavers, then they have truly lost their minds. |
'What are you saying?
That the Palestinian flag represents child sexual exploitation and the flag of St George represents women and child safety?
If this is what it going on in the minds of these St George's flag wavers, then they have truly lost their minds.'
Now then, either you are deliberately being silly and trying to wind me up or you have severe reading issues.
Can you please show me from what I said, how you got to me saying the Palestinian flag represents sexual exploitation?
Thanks now. | | | |
| Flags on 09:18 - Aug 28 with 234 views | jopreston |
| Flags on 10:23 - Aug 27 by DorsetIan |
Are you working for the Israeli propaganda department?
Not Hamas Supporters
Not Jew haters
People expressing solidarity with Palestinians. It's not difficult, and your attempts to characterise it is as something it's not is intended to distract from what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank at the moment. |
Are you working for the Israeli propaganda department?
Not Hamas Supporters
Not Jew haters
People expressing solidarity with Palestinians. It's not difficult, and your attempts to characterise it is as something it's not is intended to distract from what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank at the moment.
One could ask the same of you. Not all people waving UK flags are racists. Are you working for the Islamic child raping defence department.
You see, it is all to easy to say such silly things. Why not read things for what they are and engage in adults debate? | | | |
| Flags on 09:19 - Aug 28 with 232 views | jopreston |
| Flags on 10:54 - Aug 27 by saint901 |
I think many people here and elsewhere recognise that a state could and should be able to protect itself from violent terrorism.
I also think that the way to counter that situation is not to indiscriminately kill dozens of innocent people (those with no connection to the terrorist organisation or operation) in the hope (and often false claim) that one or two "key terrorist" officers are amongst the casualty list.
The better - more human - way is to address the key reasons why a terrorist organisation exists and why they feel that violence is the only answer.
Ignoring the false flags of religion, I think we can agree that Israel was created by the Western powers from perhaps the start/middle of the first world war. Those powers lost control of their creation and Israel (as a state) has been in the political hands of mainly extremist views ever since. This has seen land grabs, illegal settlement building, settler violence encouraged and denial of basic human rights and aid. It has also seen bus bombings, armed excursions into city centres and worse.
There are no winners here and cannot be until the underlying political issues can be solved. And there is no sign of that.
Many counties - including those with a hand in creating the situation - have come out and said that Israel has gone too far. It's time to stop and talk. Until Trump tells Israel this, we will not see it. Trump is empowering a megalomaniac whose only motive is to cling to power (otherwise he'd be in prison). Until that changes, much of the western world at least will see a decline in support for Israel and its actions even if we understand that the terrorists are just as capable as using the situation for their own ends.
Even if I thought the old testament was a reliable philosophy - (I don't) - it says an eye for an eye. Israel has gone way beyond that and claiming that they are justified in doing so lost its credence long ago. |
I think many people here and elsewhere recognise that a state could and should be able to protect itself from violent terrorists.
I think many people here and elsewhere recognise that a state could and should be able to protect its kids from being raped and abused. .
Indeed, so would you agree the UK also has that same right...moreso to also protects its children from rapists? Please don't Witter on about white people. Yes we all know they do it too. But these people can be kept out and by keeping them out we are at least reducing the risk to kids. Surely you would agree that is a good thing no?
He mentions alot of other things with a double standards slant also. | | | |
| Flags on 09:21 - Aug 28 with 229 views | jopreston |
| Flags on 10:17 - Aug 27 by saint901 |
Think you need to calm down a little because FACTS matter.
The last statistics I can find say that there are around 111,000 outstanding asylum claims and that around 44,000 have arrived in the UK by "informal" means in the last 12 months.
Not all of these will be the "young men" you paint as seeing the UK as a haven for rapists and the only reason they want to be be here. (I'm assuming that fleeing war, poverty, discrimination, political persecution, refused entry to EU countries, etc are all very much secondary to their true purpose of being here just to molest/rape the women of the UK).
I suggest that given the predominance of sexual assaults being carried out by family members - and the fact that most of the arrivals have no family members here - their presence is unlikely to create any significant increase in assaults.
I accept that even one more assault is one too many but sadly in the real world (and not the one painted by right wing rhetoric) painting EVERY arrival here as a potential rapist etc is errant nonsense.
Worse, it makes you seem like an unthinking robot repeating the lies and misrepresentation of the likes of Reform.
Just step back and look at the facts as they are and not the cherry picked snippets fed to you by people who frankly don't care about you. All they want is your anger. |
Another post full of nonsense and putting words/thoughts into peoples mouths. You must learn to look at things for what they actually and factually are. | | | |
| Flags on 10:00 - Aug 28 with 218 views | saint901 |
| Flags on 09:21 - Aug 28 by jopreston |
Another post full of nonsense and putting words/thoughts into peoples mouths. You must learn to look at things for what they actually and factually are. |
Pot and kettle? | | | |
| Flags on 10:25 - Aug 28 with 202 views | Bazza |
| Flags on 10:00 - Aug 28 by saint901 |
Pot and kettle? |
901 perhaps you should add some facts of your own rather then criticising others including Reform.
Also you choose to ignore the risk when some immigrants from other cultures treat women as inferior beings and in some cases merely as sexual objects. | | | |
| Flags on 10:45 - Aug 28 with 192 views | DorsetIan |
| Flags on 09:18 - Aug 28 by jopreston |
Are you working for the Israeli propaganda department?
Not Hamas Supporters
Not Jew haters
People expressing solidarity with Palestinians. It's not difficult, and your attempts to characterise it is as something it's not is intended to distract from what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank at the moment.
One could ask the same of you. Not all people waving UK flags are racists. Are you working for the Islamic child raping defence department.
You see, it is all to easy to say such silly things. Why not read things for what they are and engage in adults debate? |
If you're worried about being misinterpreted, why don't you try harder to set out clearly exactly what you think and then we can all consider it. | |
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| Flags on 11:15 - Aug 28 with 181 views | jopreston |
| Flags on 10:45 - Aug 28 by DorsetIan |
If you're worried about being misinterpreted, why don't you try harder to set out clearly exactly what you think and then we can all consider it. |
Try to read my posts again and show me where i got even close to saying the Palestinian flag represented child rape. Please come along now. You claimed it, so prove it. | | | |
| Flags on 11:15 - Aug 28 with 181 views | jopreston |
| Flags on 10:18 - Aug 27 by DorsetIan |
What are you saying?
That the Palestinian flag represents child sexual exploitation and the flag of St George represents women and child safety?
If this is what it going on in the minds of these St George's flag wavers, then they have truly lost their minds. |
This one, in case you do the usual leftie squirm. Please show me how on earth you made that assumption from my words. | | | |
| Flags on 12:03 - Aug 28 with 144 views | DorsetIan |
| Flags on 11:15 - Aug 28 by jopreston |
This one, in case you do the usual leftie squirm. Please show me how on earth you made that assumption from my words. |
Bazza wrote:
"What makes you think that the UK flag wavers are limited to ‘just stop the boats’ folks? Many are responding to the Palestine flags."
Saint 22 replied:
"and what's the issue with Palestinian flags in protest against the massacre of innocent children?"
and you then replied:
"and what's the issue with UK flags in protest against the attacking and raping of innocent children?"
In a thread about flags and specifically at that point Palestinian flags, how else was anyone to interpret what you said?
And my post started 'What are you saying?''
You introduced the subject of child exploitation into the thread. If you didn't mean what I took you to maybe mean, then all you had to do was clarify it.
Why don't you clarify it now. What exactly did you mean? How do you link the flying of the English flag to what you said.
We're not mind-readers on here. | |
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| Flags on 12:27 - Aug 28 with 134 views | mushinexile |
Thou shalt not covet.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Thou shalt not kill.
Jews revere Moses for giving them these pre Christian laws.
I am anti Zionist, not anti Semitic; Palestinians are Semites as well but the Jewish citizens of Israel seem to me to have left Moses far behind. That this tribe's imaginary deity is ignored speaks volumes about the lie that is religion. October 7 th did not happen in a vacuum. [Post edited 28 Aug 12:29]
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| Flags on 14:25 - Aug 28 with 100 views | Sadoldgit |
| Flags on 09:00 - Aug 27 by jopreston |
Your stats are well off. Please research again and come back to me with your results.
Answer this also, is it making the numbers of rapes of your girls better or worse by allowing unchecked young man into our country? |
His stats aren’t well off. For those interested in the truth they are spot on. Women and girls here are far more likely to experience sexual assault from family members or people that are known to them. Far more so than being assaulted by a “young man” arriving here by a dingy. I’m not sure how ignoring the facts, or waving made in china pieces of painted cloth makes the situation any better? Perhaps if Farage were to start focussing in the truth areas of inflaming racial hatred, we might make some progress.
Are are you of the opinion that sexual assault is not so bad if carried out by “one of our own?” |  | | |
| Flags on 15:12 - Aug 28 with 63 views | saint901 |
Much of what Reform and Fartage say is demonstrably untrue.
(For example, today they claim that an energy contract between Vince's energy company the GLA - Greater London Authority - is an example of contracts being given to Labour donors. IN fact it was agreed in 2020 when the Tories were in power).
When it comes to immigration, there seems to be no lie that Reform will not use.
They follow the Nazi and now Trump rule book which says that if you say something often enough, a good percentage of the listeners, being too lazy to go and check, will believe you. | | | |
| Flags on 15:23 - Aug 28 with 57 views | Bazza |
| Flags on 12:03 - Aug 28 by DorsetIan |
Bazza wrote:
"What makes you think that the UK flag wavers are limited to ‘just stop the boats’ folks? Many are responding to the Palestine flags."
Saint 22 replied:
"and what's the issue with Palestinian flags in protest against the massacre of innocent children?"
and you then replied:
"and what's the issue with UK flags in protest against the attacking and raping of innocent children?"
In a thread about flags and specifically at that point Palestinian flags, how else was anyone to interpret what you said?
And my post started 'What are you saying?''
You introduced the subject of child exploitation into the thread. If you didn't mean what I took you to maybe mean, then all you had to do was clarify it.
Why don't you clarify it now. What exactly did you mean? How do you link the flying of the English flag to what you said.
We're not mind-readers on here. |
Some of your quotes are mine. Most are definitely not mine.
Please check | | | |
| Flags on 15:28 - Aug 28 with 50 views | DorsetIan |
| Flags on 15:23 - Aug 28 by Bazza |
Some of your quotes are mine. Most are definitely not mine.
Please check |
I only referred to the first one as being from you.
The others I attributed to Saint22 and JoPeston himself.
And I wasn't making any point about your post. Simply reminding JoPeston of the posts he was replying to, as he seems to have forgotten. | |
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