| Flags 09:29 - Aug 22 with 3599 views | SonicBoom |
Seems to be a touchy subject - but on my commute to Whiteley each day I notice people are tying uion jacks to bridges over the motorways. Also close to Redbridge roundabout there's a bridge with flags on stating "Southampton Patriots".
I'm not entirely sure what the point is? |  | | |  |
| Flags on 13:45 - Aug 26 with 843 views | SonicBoom |
Flying a St George Cross as a symbol of national pride is very much a personal thing and there is nothing wrong with it if that's your thing.
Covering the nations infrastructure in flags must be quite intimidating if you are aren't naturalised English.
Flying a flag doesn't make you a racist of course. But it does make the racists think you agree with them. . | | | |
| Flags on 13:53 - Aug 26 with 821 views | DorsetIan |
The flag flying at the moment is nothing to do with patriotism or pride in England or the UK.
It's entirely anti-immigrant. Marking tribal territory.
It's a fad. It'll pass when it gets a bit colder and the nights draw in. |  |
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| Flags on 14:34 - Aug 26 with 794 views | yateleysaint |
| Flags on 13:53 - Aug 26 by DorsetIan |
The flag flying at the moment is nothing to do with patriotism or pride in England or the UK.
It's entirely anti-immigrant. Marking tribal territory.
It's a fad. It'll pass when it gets a bit colder and the nights draw in. |
To counter this when I’m back in the UK in a couple of weeks I’m going to black up and travel everywhere by dinghy. |  |
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| Flags on 14:49 - Aug 26 with 778 views | Bazza |
| Flags on 13:53 - Aug 26 by DorsetIan |
The flag flying at the moment is nothing to do with patriotism or pride in England or the UK.
It's entirely anti-immigrant. Marking tribal territory.
It's a fad. It'll pass when it gets a bit colder and the nights draw in. |
Flag flying is absolutely a statement of patriotism or pride when our leaders/courts appear to be siding with immigrants over British people. As shown in Birmingham where it is a reaction to the omnipresent Muslim flags.
No doubt your Labour bias is clouding your views. | | | |
| Flags on 15:45 - Aug 26 with 721 views | DorsetIan |
| Flags on 14:49 - Aug 26 by Bazza |
Flag flying is absolutely a statement of patriotism or pride when our leaders/courts appear to be siding with immigrants over British people. As shown in Birmingham where it is a reaction to the omnipresent Muslim flags.
No doubt your Labour bias is clouding your views. |
Exactly what I said.
It's tribal. You put your flag up, I'll put up mine.
And, as you say, a reaction to anything positive happening to 'immigrants'.
And by 'muslim' flags, do you mean Palestinian flags? | |
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| Flags on 15:50 - Aug 26 with 706 views | DorsetIan |
| Flags on 14:34 - Aug 26 by yateleysaint |
To counter this when I’m back in the UK in a couple of weeks I’m going to black up and travel everywhere by dinghy. |
Travelling everywhere like could be exhausting.
I'd start with a half-marathon and see how you get on. | |
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| Flags on 15:55 - Aug 26 with 688 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Flags on 13:53 - Aug 26 by DorsetIan |
The flag flying at the moment is nothing to do with patriotism or pride in England or the UK.
It's entirely anti-immigrant. Marking tribal territory.
It's a fad. It'll pass when it gets a bit colder and the nights draw in. |
Hang on a mo there Dors...
To say it's "entirely anti-immigrant" surely cannot be correct?
Your assumption would have to be that ALL the people doing this flag protest are white. In fact there must be loads of non-white Brits (and others - Aussies, French etc) who may be first, second or third generation immigrants themselves, but who object to the country allowing illegal (key word there) immigrants to jump the queue.
Or are you saying these immigrants are all anti immigrant and therefore anti themselves?
You see the problem? |  |
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| Flags on 16:20 - Aug 26 with 651 views | DorsetIan |
| Flags on 15:55 - Aug 26 by Chesham_Saint |
Hang on a mo there Dors...
To say it's "entirely anti-immigrant" surely cannot be correct?
Your assumption would have to be that ALL the people doing this flag protest are white. In fact there must be loads of non-white Brits (and others - Aussies, French etc) who may be first, second or third generation immigrants themselves, but who object to the country allowing illegal (key word there) immigrants to jump the queue.
Or are you saying these immigrants are all anti immigrant and therefore anti themselves?
You see the problem? |
I'm happy to change it to 'anti-illegal immigrant' and also to 'mostly' or 'almost entirely' if that helps...
...but my main point was more that this is not a display of pride or a celebration of English or British culture or values.
It's crude way of sticking to whoever it is that they think they're sticking it to: immigrants, illegal immigrants, asylum seekers, so-called asylum seekers, fake asylum seekers, liberals, lefties and tofu-eaters.
I generally find it a bit sad and silly, but if I wanted to get serious about it I would point out that adopting the British or English flag as a crude weapon of tribal protest is not exactly showing much respect to it. | |
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| Flags on 16:28 - Aug 26 with 641 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Flags on 16:20 - Aug 26 by DorsetIan |
I'm happy to change it to 'anti-illegal immigrant' and also to 'mostly' or 'almost entirely' if that helps...
...but my main point was more that this is not a display of pride or a celebration of English or British culture or values.
It's crude way of sticking to whoever it is that they think they're sticking it to: immigrants, illegal immigrants, asylum seekers, so-called asylum seekers, fake asylum seekers, liberals, lefties and tofu-eaters.
I generally find it a bit sad and silly, but if I wanted to get serious about it I would point out that adopting the British or English flag as a crude weapon of tribal protest is not exactly showing much respect to it. |
A flag is indeed a convenient rallying point (which as has been said what they were originally primarily for) but how else would you suggest what appears to be a substantial chunk of the population, express themselves peacefully? | |
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| Flags on 18:50 - Aug 26 with 537 views | Heisenberg |
Wait till it pisses down and the wind rips the flags to pieces. They will look like everything else in this country. It’s a shite hole full of litter, pot holes, traffic jams and aggressive twots looking for trouble after one or two shandies. |  |
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| Flags on 19:26 - Aug 26 with 517 views | DorsetIan |
| Flags on 16:28 - Aug 26 by Chesham_Saint |
A flag is indeed a convenient rallying point (which as has been said what they were originally primarily for) but how else would you suggest what appears to be a substantial chunk of the population, express themselves peacefully? |
I'm all for peaceful protest. I suggest that they brand themselves as 'Just Stop The Boats' and then block the traffic until they get their way.
But whatever they do, they should keep the Union Jack and St George's Cross out of it, because these belong to all of us. | |
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| Flags on 22:26 - Aug 26 with 451 views | Bazza |
| Flags on 19:26 - Aug 26 by DorsetIan |
I'm all for peaceful protest. I suggest that they brand themselves as 'Just Stop The Boats' and then block the traffic until they get their way.
But whatever they do, they should keep the Union Jack and St George's Cross out of it, because these belong to all of us. |
What makes you think that the UK flag wavers are limited to ‘just stop the boats’ folks? Many are responding to the Palestine flags. | | | |
| Flags on 22:27 - Aug 26 with 447 views | saint22 |
| Flags on 18:50 - Aug 26 by Heisenberg |
Wait till it pisses down and the wind rips the flags to pieces. They will look like everything else in this country. It’s a shite hole full of litter, pot holes, traffic jams and aggressive twots looking for trouble after one or two shandies. |
exactly this | | | |
| Flags on 22:28 - Aug 26 with 444 views | saint22 |
| Flags on 22:26 - Aug 26 by Bazza |
What makes you think that the UK flag wavers are limited to ‘just stop the boats’ folks? Many are responding to the Palestine flags. |
and what's the issue with Palestinian flags in protest against the massacre of innocent children? | | | |
| Flags on 22:56 - Aug 26 with 417 views | DorsetIan |
| Flags on 22:26 - Aug 26 by Bazza |
What makes you think that the UK flag wavers are limited to ‘just stop the boats’ folks? Many are responding to the Palestine flags. |
What, so they see the Palestinian flag as a Muslim flag and feel the need to raise the Cross of St George as, what, a good Christian response?
But if it's a religious flag tit-for-tat shouldn't they also be raising the Israeli flag as a good Jewish flag? And maybe the Indian one to make sure that Hinduism isn't left out?
Have you any idea how ridiculous it is to perceive the Palestinian flag as somehow symbolising Islam and then to 'oppose' that by flying the English flag? | |
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| Flags on 02:56 - Aug 27 with 352 views | saint22 |
| Flags on 22:56 - Aug 26 by DorsetIan |
What, so they see the Palestinian flag as a Muslim flag and feel the need to raise the Cross of St George as, what, a good Christian response?
But if it's a religious flag tit-for-tat shouldn't they also be raising the Israeli flag as a good Jewish flag? And maybe the Indian one to make sure that Hinduism isn't left out?
Have you any idea how ridiculous it is to perceive the Palestinian flag as somehow symbolising Islam and then to 'oppose' that by flying the English flag? |
That’s a far too intellectual statement | | | |
| Flags on 07:51 - Aug 27 with 299 views | Bazza |
| Flags on 02:56 - Aug 27 by saint22 |
That’s a far too intellectual statement |
A lot of Hamas supporters on here or are you just Jew haters? | | | |
| Flags on 08:40 - Aug 27 with 278 views | jopreston |
| Flags on 22:28 - Aug 26 by saint22 |
and what's the issue with Palestinian flags in protest against the massacre of innocent children? |
and what's the issue with UK flags in protest against the attacking and raping of innocent children? | | | |
| Flags on 08:56 - Aug 27 with 273 views | saint901 |
| Flags on 08:40 - Aug 27 by jopreston |
and what's the issue with UK flags in protest against the attacking and raping of innocent children? |
Let's examine that.
Something close to 95% of all sexual assaults are perpetrated by one family member on another.
Of the remainder, a substantial proportion of stranger on stranger assault does not cross any ethnic barrier. White men tend to rape white girls.
So help me here, how is putting up a flag of St George a protest? | | | |
| Flags on 09:00 - Aug 27 with 259 views | jopreston |
| Flags on 08:56 - Aug 27 by saint901 |
Let's examine that.
Something close to 95% of all sexual assaults are perpetrated by one family member on another.
Of the remainder, a substantial proportion of stranger on stranger assault does not cross any ethnic barrier. White men tend to rape white girls.
So help me here, how is putting up a flag of St George a protest? |
Your stats are well off. Please research again and come back to me with your results.
Answer this also, is it making the numbers of rapes of your girls better or worse by allowing unchecked young man into our country? | | | |
| Flags on 09:29 - Aug 27 with 225 views | jopreston |
So, by letting in tens of thousands of unchecked young males in, are we making kids safer from rape or are we making it worse?
No, I will not provide you with any stats as I have seen time and time again with people like you, that no matter I get my stats from they will be fake and made up, and yours and only yours will be correct. So sorry, No....I will not waste my time. I will just ask you a simple question which you cannot possibly argue with.
To what are you referring when you say my worse case scenario being true?
I don't give a damn about anything other than reducing the number of attacks on under age girls and 16+ ladies. By letting in masses of young men from countries proven to have little if any respect for women, we are opening our kids up to unwarranted danger. These are facts that you cannot deny. [Post edited 27 Aug 9:33]
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| Flags on 09:34 - Aug 27 with 219 views | jopreston |
| Flags on 08:56 - Aug 27 by saint901 |
Let's examine that.
Something close to 95% of all sexual assaults are perpetrated by one family member on another.
Of the remainder, a substantial proportion of stranger on stranger assault does not cross any ethnic barrier. White men tend to rape white girls.
So help me here, how is putting up a flag of St George a protest? |
So help me here, how is putting up a flag of St George a protest?
So help me here, how is putting up a flag of Palestine a protest?
Think before you answer as once again I will reply with words that you will not be able to deny as fact. | | | |
| Flags on 10:17 - Aug 27 with 196 views | saint901 |
Think you need to calm down a little because FACTS matter.
The last statistics I can find say that there are around 111,000 outstanding asylum claims and that around 44,000 have arrived in the UK by "informal" means in the last 12 months.
Not all of these will be the "young men" you paint as seeing the UK as a haven for rapists and the only reason they want to be be here. (I'm assuming that fleeing war, poverty, discrimination, political persecution, refused entry to EU countries, etc are all very much secondary to their true purpose of being here just to molest/rape the women of the UK).
I suggest that given the predominance of sexual assaults being carried out by family members - and the fact that most of the arrivals have no family members here - their presence is unlikely to create any significant increase in assaults.
I accept that even one more assault is one too many but sadly in the real world (and not the one painted by right wing rhetoric) painting EVERY arrival here as a potential rapist etc is errant nonsense.
Worse, it makes you seem like an unthinking robot repeating the lies and misrepresentation of the likes of Reform.
Just step back and look at the facts as they are and not the cherry picked snippets fed to you by people who frankly don't care about you. All they want is your anger. | | | |
| Flags on 10:18 - Aug 27 with 196 views | DorsetIan |
| Flags on 09:34 - Aug 27 by jopreston |
So help me here, how is putting up a flag of St George a protest?
So help me here, how is putting up a flag of Palestine a protest?
Think before you answer as once again I will reply with words that you will not be able to deny as fact. |
What are you saying?
That the Palestinian flag represents child sexual exploitation and the flag of St George represents women and child safety?
If this is what it going on in the minds of these St George's flag wavers, then they have truly lost their minds. | |
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