| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 21:12 - Sep 4 with 2645 views | numptydumpty |
Enjoyed the debate and thought it was great to have two slightly opposite opinions at times.
A decent debate where i think even if not in total agreement about our approach, think the overall conclusion, that there is much to like and also much to be wary of and approach in a careful manner.
Clearly like any different approach, a suck it and see attitude..
Like others, i am very hopeful that almost every single one of our first team squad has an opportunity to contribute. I think personally some of this seasons acquisitions have immense potential but like others, am slightly worried even though our attacking options are strong in terms of depth and quality, concerned about our defence and goalkeepers lacking in the required quality and especially depth due to likelihood of injuries also
Yes injuries could be our nadir but the depth and the fact we could also choose four or five from our current youth set up, that could do a job at times adds to our chances.
Like many on here, i had an absolute meltdown after Coventry but am hopeful that
that was an exception as opposed to the norm.
But yes great pod. Held my interest for the duration too, which many pods, not just QPR ones make me occasionally enjoy doing the washing up, glorious activity that it is.
I do have some agreement unfortunately that many QPR fans tend to be massive pessimists - can understand that too - but i think in general there is potential to have a little more excitement about the season ahead.
We definitely seem to be at a crossroads right now. |  |
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| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 21:26 - Sep 4 with 2616 views | daveB |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 18:16 - Sep 4 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Best episode ever.
Well done all.
Arguably no family has done more for the club than the Winton family, but the view about fans and staff from Matt was a complete antipode to my own opinion about how things should be.
Nevertheless, a lesson in respectful dialogue. |
It is slightly mad given how his Dad would really criticise the people in charge and always question them (quite rightly too) that Matt sees it now as you shouldn't question those in charge and just trust them to do it right. In fairness to Matt though what Paladini and co were doing to the club at the time was very different to what is happening now, I do think Nourry works in similar ways at times but all I'll say is things were a lot more dodgy back then and deserving of the public bollockings Harold used to give them
There is certainly a middle ground to be had that the club should be questioned and when they get it wrong they should face criticism but equally some trust needs to be given to the people in charge and he's right it is a lot easier to say this is going to be rubbish than say this is a good idea.I found that out when I backed what les was trying to do for a few years.
I hope he ends up being right and this all goes well, I completly disagree with him about the anti Nourry agenda though
I still have doubts and would still question how he has more experience than Les after 2 years in a different role to now be choosing the style of play across all age groups etc I still find that mad but ultimately he is continuing what Les started and due to how that Mick Beale season ended up going leaving the owners stepping away we now have a situation where the ceo/dof does have the control that Les should have had and it's a lot easier to judge if he does a good job or not than it was at times with Les. |  | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 07:45 - Sep 5 with 2290 views | mart_Goblin |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 21:26 - Sep 4 by daveB |
It is slightly mad given how his Dad would really criticise the people in charge and always question them (quite rightly too) that Matt sees it now as you shouldn't question those in charge and just trust them to do it right. In fairness to Matt though what Paladini and co were doing to the club at the time was very different to what is happening now, I do think Nourry works in similar ways at times but all I'll say is things were a lot more dodgy back then and deserving of the public bollockings Harold used to give them
There is certainly a middle ground to be had that the club should be questioned and when they get it wrong they should face criticism but equally some trust needs to be given to the people in charge and he's right it is a lot easier to say this is going to be rubbish than say this is a good idea.I found that out when I backed what les was trying to do for a few years.
I hope he ends up being right and this all goes well, I completly disagree with him about the anti Nourry agenda though
I still have doubts and would still question how he has more experience than Les after 2 years in a different role to now be choosing the style of play across all age groups etc I still find that mad but ultimately he is continuing what Les started and due to how that Mick Beale season ended up going leaving the owners stepping away we now have a situation where the ceo/dof does have the control that Les should have had and it's a lot easier to judge if he does a good job or not than it was at times with Les. |
Great post .
I find that Matt, with other Nourry supporters has a touch of blind faith and is annoyed that we all can’t or won’t join him in it.
Don’t get me wrong, the balanced argument was a good idea and it worked because all parties were respectful of each other. Matt did make me consider my own pessimism at times and I think that’s something I could keep in check a bit more .
But with so many issues at QPR, it’s about that word ‘experience’.
Nigh on 50 years of supporting this club will render some trepidation and pessimism but it happens time and time again. It breeds pessimism.
The word experience came up regarding Nourry again and I didn’t really get what Matt’s point was comparing him to Les and having ‘more experience’ .
Tom rightly pointed out that he shouldn’t be anywhere near putting into place a ‘methodology’ and playing style for this or any football club but the conversation was turned away from that to what a good job he’s doing financially and with player sales .
That wasn’t the point being made . Player sales have been pretty decent and it would be ridiculous of me to ignore the money we have got for certain players and how well we have done it seems in negotiating these fees.
But as it’s been pointed out, the way we play is already becoming out of date and we are still signing players for what will be an outdated style .
To take up Clive's point about the physicality and size of Brentford in pre season, it showed hugely in the DS cup final where Brentford’s DS team stood like pine trees compared to our squad. Now yes , we won that game of course but really due to experience of 3 of 4 of our players already being presented to senior football . My point being Brentford are once again years ahead of us . They are signing huge kids with a physical presence who can play ,opposed to us signing talented kids who will be put in a process of play that no one will be playing . So how will we sell them ?
If we can see this basic principle then why can’t the people putting it into place at Rangers ? Dare I say it , because we all have more experience in just being in and around ‘football’ than the people putting it into place at Rangers .
Loads to pick out but I did really like what Matt said about ‘moments’. Especially experienced with your kids and family . That is a huge part of this football club as he mentioned and that most of us have this club running through our families somehow . I love that and it does feel special that way .
But….those moments are generally us at the top end , winning , competing having what we would call success. What is success!
A Jimmy Dunne volley every season that keeps us up ?
Or being consistent and challenging at the top end of this league and getting to play off finals and ultimately getting promotion. Then staying there .
I think the people in charge seem ( they don’t tell us as Tom says , so we don’t know) to be ok with the former as long as we make a profit on players yet seem to fail to understand that they’d make more profit with the team in the top half .
As mentioned , none of us started supporting QPR because of ‘finances’ .
It’s important as fans to continue to make sure the people in charge realise that too .
And in reality, that’s all that the ‘dissenting’ voices against Nourry are trying to say .
There is no vendetta or whatever you want to call it .
It’s concerned fans who care, asking questions . That’s it .
We all want him to succeed because of he does then QPR succeed.
But when you are as untransparent as Nourry at times , then I’m not sure what you expect . [Post edited 5 Sep 7:53]
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| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 07:57 - Sep 5 with 2251 views | dmm |
But as it’s been pointed out, the way we play is already becoming out of date and we are still signing players for what will be an outdated style.
This is a very interesting point you make. I think many will be aware that a more direct approach is being adopted by lots of teams in the top divisions across football. Does anyone know of a well informed article on this? |  | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 08:30 - Sep 5 with 2177 views | BklynRanger |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 07:57 - Sep 5 by dmm |
But as it’s been pointed out, the way we play is already becoming out of date and we are still signing players for what will be an outdated style.
This is a very interesting point you make. I think many will be aware that a more direct approach is being adopted by lots of teams in the top divisions across football. Does anyone know of a well informed article on this? |
Good question, I'd be very interested in seeing that too.
It also puts pressure on the idea of racking and stacking certain positions for sale 2-3 years from now.
A great listen anyway. I couldn't agree with about half of what Matt said at all, but the fact that it was all done cordially, and he's inviting Hunter to stay engaged despite differing views, was the most important aspect of it all, I thought.
A lot of the arguments on here would progress a lot more reasonably face to face, you'd think... |  | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 09:06 - Sep 5 with 2104 views | BAWHoops |
Great pod.
If Clive wasn't working a full time job alongside running the website I'd say he should really look at making this a weekly pod.
Matt has been v happy clappy on Twitter, but hearing him actually talk I thought he made a lot more sense than the 'Nourry is cooking' crowd on Twitter.
He's obviously super impressed with the development squad and that's what he likes about CN. Fair do's. Most of us don't watch them religiously but he seems to.
Also, having two young kids and trying to get them into QPR is really fking hard! Taking a super positive approach makes it a lot easier. I've already had to cede ground and allow mine to have Arsenal as their Prem team
Great discussion all round. Conflicting views on a few things, but people happy to concede ground in their argument as well |  |
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| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 09:47 - Sep 5 with 2003 views | dmm |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 08:30 - Sep 5 by BklynRanger |
Good question, I'd be very interested in seeing that too.
It also puts pressure on the idea of racking and stacking certain positions for sale 2-3 years from now.
A great listen anyway. I couldn't agree with about half of what Matt said at all, but the fact that it was all done cordially, and he's inviting Hunter to stay engaged despite differing views, was the most important aspect of it all, I thought.
A lot of the arguments on here would progress a lot more reasonably face to face, you'd think... |
I had a quick search for an article and found this piece that considers "...why the antidote to Pep's possession-based football is flourishing in 2024/25": Analysis: Fast breaks are back in style as tactics evolve: https://www.premierleague.com/en/news/4272576
As the title suggests, it's not just about being more direct but also about being quick on the break which is becoming in vogue. Interesting stuff. | | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 09:55 - Sep 5 with 1985 views | Hunterhoop |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 08:30 - Sep 5 by BklynRanger |
Good question, I'd be very interested in seeing that too.
It also puts pressure on the idea of racking and stacking certain positions for sale 2-3 years from now.
A great listen anyway. I couldn't agree with about half of what Matt said at all, but the fact that it was all done cordially, and he's inviting Hunter to stay engaged despite differing views, was the most important aspect of it all, I thought.
A lot of the arguments on here would progress a lot more reasonably face to face, you'd think... |
I think that is an excellent observation, Bklyn.
It was part of the reason I was making the point that it’s not fair to expect fans to have blind optimism and not criticise the club (because they care); the club has to do more to improve the moral and give people a reason to be optimistic. They have a very important role to play in improving the feel around the club. That is a key area where I think Nourry is a combination of naive and arrogant on. There is so much more the club could be doing to unite the fanbase, persuade us to “get with the plan”, and run the club collaboratively. They could start with strongly encouraging an end to personal abuse on social media of the likes of Clive and any fans who have constructive criticism. They could proactively welcome constructive challenge genuinely (not performatively). They could become more transparent on all sorts of topics (to build trust). They could add fans representatives onto key internal SteerCos not just have them on this Advisory Board. They could provide more access to Stephan. They could hold senior managers at the club accountable for unacceptable behaviour. Access to players could be significantly ramped up. There could be more regular fans forums. They could improve the food and drink options on matchday. They could offer more discounts for ST holders. They could sort out the club shop operation. This is all just off the top of my head, but there is tons they could do.
Failing to do some of these things is a leadership choice. It can only come from a place of naivety or arrogance. [Post edited 5 Sep 10:21]
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| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 09:57 - Sep 5 with 1972 views | TheChef |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 09:06 - Sep 5 by BAWHoops |
Great pod.
If Clive wasn't working a full time job alongside running the website I'd say he should really look at making this a weekly pod.
Matt has been v happy clappy on Twitter, but hearing him actually talk I thought he made a lot more sense than the 'Nourry is cooking' crowd on Twitter.
He's obviously super impressed with the development squad and that's what he likes about CN. Fair do's. Most of us don't watch them religiously but he seems to.
Also, having two young kids and trying to get them into QPR is really fking hard! Taking a super positive approach makes it a lot easier. I've already had to cede ground and allow mine to have Arsenal as their Prem team
Great discussion all round. Conflicting views on a few things, but people happy to concede ground in their argument as well |
Re the DS squad and recruitment of younger players this definitely feels like a step in the right direction and building for the future - in terms of success on the pitch and the improved sell-on value of those players who do well.
Of course more concern though around the short-term and having a team that can compete (well, at least stay up) in the Championship. |  |
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| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 10:18 - Sep 5 with 1878 views | Hunterhoop |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 09:47 - Sep 5 by dmm |
I had a quick search for an article and found this piece that considers "...why the antidote to Pep's possession-based football is flourishing in 2024/25": Analysis: Fast breaks are back in style as tactics evolve: https://www.premierleague.com/en/news/4272576
As the title suggests, it's not just about being more direct but also about being quick on the break which is becoming in vogue. Interesting stuff. |
Yeah, so in short it’s becoming more popular and more effective to win the ball back (tackle someone, intercept, press them into an error), and then move it forward very quickly.
Given that first part of the equation requires fitness and physicality, it would strike me some our signings should fit that bill? Just like Adam Wharton, Prem sides will be desperate for that profile.
There’s also a coaching angle for Stephan here - assuming he has the flexibility and control to actually do this - which is that we actually have 3 physical centre midfielders now in Field, Hayden, and Varane (and Morgan runs all day), so the coaching should be entirely focussed on training them to play forward quickly when they win it. Having Kone, Frey or Burrell up top will help this as it likely won’t come straight back. Betsy, if his role is worth having, should be working with those 3 on this relentlessly. It would improve immeasurably. Currently ALL 3 immediately look for a safe backwards pass when they win it. The old way.
The challenge with Madsen is I don’t see how he ever fits into a team keen on doing the first part of that equation. He’s simply not the type of player Bournemouth or Forest or Palace (sadly McCarthy prospective buyers) would be looking to sign, I think.
I also think this change in football style presents a problem for Chair. He will need to hold onto it even less and progress it quickly. He can’t be cutting back inside and slowing it down. Another area where you’d hope Betsy, when Chair is fit, would be working on. | | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 10:25 - Sep 5 with 1842 views | Northernr |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 09:55 - Sep 5 by Hunterhoop |
I think that is an excellent observation, Bklyn.
It was part of the reason I was making the point that it’s not fair to expect fans to have blind optimism and not criticise the club (because they care); the club has to do more to improve the moral and give people a reason to be optimistic. They have a very important role to play in improving the feel around the club. That is a key area where I think Nourry is a combination of naive and arrogant on. There is so much more the club could be doing to unite the fanbase, persuade us to “get with the plan”, and run the club collaboratively. They could start with strongly encouraging an end to personal abuse on social media of the likes of Clive and any fans who have constructive criticism. They could proactively welcome constructive challenge genuinely (not performatively). They could become more transparent on all sorts of topics (to build trust). They could add fans representatives onto key internal SteerCos not just have them on this Advisory Board. They could provide more access to Stephan. They could hold senior managers at the club accountable for unacceptable behaviour. Access to players could be significantly ramped up. There could be more regular fans forums. They could improve the food and drink options on matchday. They could offer more discounts for ST holders. They could sort out the club shop operation. This is all just off the top of my head, but there is tons they could do.
Failing to do some of these things is a leadership choice. It can only come from a place of naivety or arrogance. [Post edited 5 Sep 10:21]
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Or too much to do.
There have been some positives on both sides of the business - we all seem pretty sold on the new approach of the development squad (though we wait to see how many graduate to the first team), and this summer's recruitment seems decent, while off the pitch the sponsorship workarounds were long overdue.
But I did say this to him the first time we met, QPR is a tough club to run and thinking you can do the off-field CEO and the on-field DOF stuff all at once in one job is a big ask. You'll get as many questions at fans forums about water pressure in the bogs as you will central midfielders.
Might be an idea to focus on the bit he likes best - seemingly the 'playing Football Manager' bit - and appoint somebody else to do the other stuff. |  | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 10:44 - Sep 5 with 1770 views | nix |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 07:45 - Sep 5 by mart_Goblin |
Great post .
I find that Matt, with other Nourry supporters has a touch of blind faith and is annoyed that we all can’t or won’t join him in it.
Don’t get me wrong, the balanced argument was a good idea and it worked because all parties were respectful of each other. Matt did make me consider my own pessimism at times and I think that’s something I could keep in check a bit more .
But with so many issues at QPR, it’s about that word ‘experience’.
Nigh on 50 years of supporting this club will render some trepidation and pessimism but it happens time and time again. It breeds pessimism.
The word experience came up regarding Nourry again and I didn’t really get what Matt’s point was comparing him to Les and having ‘more experience’ .
Tom rightly pointed out that he shouldn’t be anywhere near putting into place a ‘methodology’ and playing style for this or any football club but the conversation was turned away from that to what a good job he’s doing financially and with player sales .
That wasn’t the point being made . Player sales have been pretty decent and it would be ridiculous of me to ignore the money we have got for certain players and how well we have done it seems in negotiating these fees.
But as it’s been pointed out, the way we play is already becoming out of date and we are still signing players for what will be an outdated style .
To take up Clive's point about the physicality and size of Brentford in pre season, it showed hugely in the DS cup final where Brentford’s DS team stood like pine trees compared to our squad. Now yes , we won that game of course but really due to experience of 3 of 4 of our players already being presented to senior football . My point being Brentford are once again years ahead of us . They are signing huge kids with a physical presence who can play ,opposed to us signing talented kids who will be put in a process of play that no one will be playing . So how will we sell them ?
If we can see this basic principle then why can’t the people putting it into place at Rangers ? Dare I say it , because we all have more experience in just being in and around ‘football’ than the people putting it into place at Rangers .
Loads to pick out but I did really like what Matt said about ‘moments’. Especially experienced with your kids and family . That is a huge part of this football club as he mentioned and that most of us have this club running through our families somehow . I love that and it does feel special that way .
But….those moments are generally us at the top end , winning , competing having what we would call success. What is success!
A Jimmy Dunne volley every season that keeps us up ?
Or being consistent and challenging at the top end of this league and getting to play off finals and ultimately getting promotion. Then staying there .
I think the people in charge seem ( they don’t tell us as Tom says , so we don’t know) to be ok with the former as long as we make a profit on players yet seem to fail to understand that they’d make more profit with the team in the top half .
As mentioned , none of us started supporting QPR because of ‘finances’ .
It’s important as fans to continue to make sure the people in charge realise that too .
And in reality, that’s all that the ‘dissenting’ voices against Nourry are trying to say .
There is no vendetta or whatever you want to call it .
It’s concerned fans who care, asking questions . That’s it .
We all want him to succeed because of he does then QPR succeed.
But when you are as untransparent as Nourry at times , then I’m not sure what you expect . [Post edited 5 Sep 7:53]
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I don't know if you'd put me in the category of Nourry supporter. I'm suspecting yes. The thing is that's what annoys me most about this whole debate. I'm not a Nourry supporter, never have been. I'm a QPR supporter. Why box people in? If he proved to be long term shit I wouldn't back him. QPR I've supported in the Premier, League 1 and the Championship; that's the difference.
Do I think he's done nothing wrong? Of course not. Do I understand why people are concerned? Absolutely. That's not blind faith. I just think there have been enough positive changes in areas I personally think we were weak: the DS and negotiating deals both commercially and related to playing staff to not write him off.
I have also challenged criticisms that are just based on speculation or what I see as stretching the facts.
As for the playing style I agree teams are bigger and more physical but I think it's partly down to the age old issue of what's available in our price range. If they were injury free, pacy, good attitude, technically sound, physically imposing they're like to be in the Prem already. This season we're compromising on lack of Championship experience. Last season it was that or physicality. We tried with Les injury records but that backfired with Amos, Hall and JCS (partly) although was a great success with Austin first time round.
I'm hoping we'll be able to get the complete player going forward but it's not the easiest. |  | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 10:53 - Sep 5 with 1730 views | Hunterhoop |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 10:25 - Sep 5 by Northernr |
Or too much to do.
There have been some positives on both sides of the business - we all seem pretty sold on the new approach of the development squad (though we wait to see how many graduate to the first team), and this summer's recruitment seems decent, while off the pitch the sponsorship workarounds were long overdue.
But I did say this to him the first time we met, QPR is a tough club to run and thinking you can do the off-field CEO and the on-field DOF stuff all at once in one job is a big ask. You'll get as many questions at fans forums about water pressure in the bogs as you will central midfielders.
Might be an idea to focus on the bit he likes best - seemingly the 'playing Football Manager' bit - and appoint somebody else to do the other stuff. |
Completely agree.
But boil down that “too much to do” and it comes back to: it’s a choice; he could hire someone. And the reason he has chosen to do both roles is either naivety or arrogance (or a combination). The same goes for the Board. They could have employed Nourry as the DOF or the CEO and recruited the other role. Naivety or arrogance as to why they thought he could do both at that age with that lack of experience.
A lot of those things I point out are being done at other clubs. And even where they aren’t, football is all about momentum. Unite the fanbase, unite it with the club and players (through openness, transparency, collaboration, and access) and, especially at a club with our type of home ground, you will see results improve on the pitch (and valuations of players increase). | | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:00 - Sep 5 with 1705 views | TK1 |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 10:25 - Sep 5 by Northernr |
Or too much to do.
There have been some positives on both sides of the business - we all seem pretty sold on the new approach of the development squad (though we wait to see how many graduate to the first team), and this summer's recruitment seems decent, while off the pitch the sponsorship workarounds were long overdue.
But I did say this to him the first time we met, QPR is a tough club to run and thinking you can do the off-field CEO and the on-field DOF stuff all at once in one job is a big ask. You'll get as many questions at fans forums about water pressure in the bogs as you will central midfielders.
Might be an idea to focus on the bit he likes best - seemingly the 'playing Football Manager' bit - and appoint somebody else to do the other stuff. |
I think it's way too much to do for one person.
The catering completely collapsed in the Stanley Bowles Stand on Saturday - there was only beer available from one kiosk hut, staffed by two, and a queue of 500+ unserved and unhappy customers at half time. This also happened for Brentford, so not a one-off and I suspect a half-time show that will run and run.
It's small stuff, though, for a "Sporting CEO" to be worrying about during transfer deadline week, but a huge dent in the professionalism of the club, never mind its match-day revenues. This stuff really matters - but does it to CN? I understand if he has other things to concentrate on. But QPR's paying supporters deserve better. To get a beer I started queuing 15 mins before half time and we were the last served just as the second half started.
We were laughing as we gulped our drinks down about the Fan Forum bullshit around the "thorough" tendering process and just rehiring the same firm to provide a far worse service.
It's all PR. He can't do it all. He can't be on the council, sorting the sporting side, delivering for the customers on a fortnightly basis: it's two jobs, at least, and to pretend otherwise is bollox.
It's not a pro-Nourry or anti-Nourry thing. There have been some good signings and hirings, lots of positives. But there's also, as ever with QPR, an overpowering stench of bullsht around the club. All you have to do is go to a match to witness this. |  | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:03 - Sep 5 with 1683 views | Northernr |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:00 - Sep 5 by TK1 |
I think it's way too much to do for one person.
The catering completely collapsed in the Stanley Bowles Stand on Saturday - there was only beer available from one kiosk hut, staffed by two, and a queue of 500+ unserved and unhappy customers at half time. This also happened for Brentford, so not a one-off and I suspect a half-time show that will run and run.
It's small stuff, though, for a "Sporting CEO" to be worrying about during transfer deadline week, but a huge dent in the professionalism of the club, never mind its match-day revenues. This stuff really matters - but does it to CN? I understand if he has other things to concentrate on. But QPR's paying supporters deserve better. To get a beer I started queuing 15 mins before half time and we were the last served just as the second half started.
We were laughing as we gulped our drinks down about the Fan Forum bullshit around the "thorough" tendering process and just rehiring the same firm to provide a far worse service.
It's all PR. He can't do it all. He can't be on the council, sorting the sporting side, delivering for the customers on a fortnightly basis: it's two jobs, at least, and to pretend otherwise is bollox.
It's not a pro-Nourry or anti-Nourry thing. There have been some good signings and hirings, lots of positives. But there's also, as ever with QPR, an overpowering stench of bullsht around the club. All you have to do is go to a match to witness this. |
Free beer and food in the SARS on Saturday because they couldn't take payments.
Presume there's some sort of insurance/claim against the caterers option for that. | | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:10 - Sep 5 with 1658 views | Hunterhoop |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:03 - Sep 5 by Northernr |
Free beer and food in the SARS on Saturday because they couldn't take payments.
Presume there's some sort of insurance/claim against the caterers option for that. |
Same in the upper loft.
It comes back to standards too. If you want to have standards upheld in the first team, there need to be standards across all aspects of the club. That is how you create a culture. Again, go to top clubs and clubs of our size on the up/in the Prem…it’s not the same. | | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:18 - Sep 5 with 1611 views | TheChef |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:10 - Sep 5 by Hunterhoop |
Same in the upper loft.
It comes back to standards too. If you want to have standards upheld in the first team, there need to be standards across all aspects of the club. That is how you create a culture. Again, go to top clubs and clubs of our size on the up/in the Prem…it’s not the same. |
Strange as it was fine in SAR last Saturday.
But yeah a major cock up if it ends up being a food and drink giveaway. Like you say, comes down to standards. | |
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| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:24 - Sep 5 with 1569 views | TK1 |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:03 - Sep 5 by Northernr |
Free beer and food in the SARS on Saturday because they couldn't take payments.
Presume there's some sort of insurance/claim against the caterers option for that. |
They definitely weren't giving away free beer in the SB, the rotters (though I understand food was given away).
I think if this was a stadium-wide cock-up, there should definitely have been some subsequent communication, some PR management from the club. It's weird to not address it to supporters, who are also customers. It's not normal - and as I say, a similar thing happened for the Brentford game.
I am an adult and I find not being treated as one really annoying. | | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:25 - Sep 5 with 1553 views | daveB |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 09:47 - Sep 5 by dmm |
I had a quick search for an article and found this piece that considers "...why the antidote to Pep's possession-based football is flourishing in 2024/25": Analysis: Fast breaks are back in style as tactics evolve: https://www.premierleague.com/en/news/4272576
As the title suggests, it's not just about being more direct but also about being quick on the break which is becoming in vogue. Interesting stuff. |
I think you also have to look at who we are aiming to sell to
No matter how good our playes are the teams at the top of the Prem are not shopping at QPR so it's top of the Championship which Millwall are doing well with at the moment or teams fighting to stay up in the Prem
The idea about shopping for a lot of centre halves by the club is a good one, they do seem to have picked up some gems in that area | | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:25 - Sep 5 with 1546 views | TheChef |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:03 - Sep 5 by Northernr |
Free beer and food in the SARS on Saturday because they couldn't take payments.
Presume there's some sort of insurance/claim against the caterers option for that. |
Ah OK well we got in at 12.15 or so and definitely paid! So maybe the issue got fixed.
Either way, not great. | |
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| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:27 - Sep 5 with 1502 views | daveB |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:03 - Sep 5 by Northernr |
Free beer and food in the SARS on Saturday because they couldn't take payments.
Presume there's some sort of insurance/claim against the caterers option for that. |
was same in Lower Loft, we got several free beers at half time as they looked confused at us when we said about paying with cash [Post edited 5 Sep 11:34]
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| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:28 - Sep 5 with 1477 views | Northernr |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:25 - Sep 5 by TheChef |
Ah OK well we got in at 12.15 or so and definitely paid! So maybe the issue got fixed.
Either way, not great. |
This was at half time. | | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:36 - Sep 5 with 1404 views | QPR_Jim |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 10:53 - Sep 5 by Hunterhoop |
Completely agree.
But boil down that “too much to do” and it comes back to: it’s a choice; he could hire someone. And the reason he has chosen to do both roles is either naivety or arrogance (or a combination). The same goes for the Board. They could have employed Nourry as the DOF or the CEO and recruited the other role. Naivety or arrogance as to why they thought he could do both at that age with that lack of experience.
A lot of those things I point out are being done at other clubs. And even where they aren’t, football is all about momentum. Unite the fanbase, unite it with the club and players (through openness, transparency, collaboration, and access) and, especially at a club with our type of home ground, you will see results improve on the pitch (and valuations of players increase). |
I was always under the impression that we went to retexo to hire either a new CEO or DoF and he basically put his own name forward. Not sure if it was his idea to combine the roles or the clubs but he certainly seemed confident about it when first interviewed.
As Norf points out, LH was always clear as CEO he knows nothing about the playing side just sets the budget and wider strategy. CN has less experience than LH and thinks he can do both.
Initially when they appointed him as CEO I wasn't too concerned, yes he was young but I don't think that necessarily is a bad thing. But I was expecting a separate DoF. CN could hire a DoF who uses data, want's to improve the DS etc etc who he could work hand in glove with but for whatever reason wants to do it all himself where an experienced DoF may be able to assist. Arrogance/control freak/naive, who knows but everything suggests he's one of those things at least and it worries me for the club, if that's allowed without being labelled a hater. |  | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:38 - Sep 5 with 1384 views | Northernr |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:36 - Sep 5 by QPR_Jim |
I was always under the impression that we went to retexo to hire either a new CEO or DoF and he basically put his own name forward. Not sure if it was his idea to combine the roles or the clubs but he certainly seemed confident about it when first interviewed.
As Norf points out, LH was always clear as CEO he knows nothing about the playing side just sets the budget and wider strategy. CN has less experience than LH and thinks he can do both.
Initially when they appointed him as CEO I wasn't too concerned, yes he was young but I don't think that necessarily is a bad thing. But I was expecting a separate DoF. CN could hire a DoF who uses data, want's to improve the DS etc etc who he could work hand in glove with but for whatever reason wants to do it all himself where an experienced DoF may be able to assist. Arrogance/control freak/naive, who knows but everything suggests he's one of those things at least and it worries me for the club, if that's allowed without being labelled a hater. |
He's said a couple of times that the head of recruitment, Andy Belk, has basically been 'empowered' into that 'data driven DOF' role. | | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 11:38 - Sep 5 with 1383 views | mart_Goblin |
Wasn’t just stadium wide .
All PDQ payments went down at Millwall on Saturday too and at the Old Firm
On Sunday among other events at the weekend .
The link being MyGuava I think .
Some things the club can’t control snd unfortunately this was one of them | | | |
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