| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 18:16 - Sep 5 with 2765 views | dm97 |
The fact that the majority of the pod, and this thread, barely makes mention of our new manager/coach - who has an interesting back story, is new to the league and club, and has said some interesting things tactically - speaks to the entire strategy they’re pursuing.
If they (he) is happy that Clive and team are spending a whole pod without mentioning the manager, there’s your problem. Good models (get your premier league sides starting with B out), still have good managers at the helm.
The manager might be interchangeable in a good structure, but they’re still f’ing relevant. This leadership seem to want to ignore that |  | |  |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 18:21 - Sep 5 with 2734 views | nix |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 12:54 - Sep 5 by mart_Goblin |
Nit picking slightly .
There is a group of posters on here (it doesn’t matter who they are) that generally back most things he does and put forward arguments against criticism of him in the main .
That isn’t my opinion , that is a fact and they have every right to do so.
How would you prefer I refer to them as a collective?
“I just think there have been enough positive changes in areas I personally think we were weak: the DS and negotiating deals both commercially and related to playing staff to not write him off.”
Again, the people critical of CN have all acknowledged what your above quote also states .
There areas where improvements have been made for sure .
The leap of faith is the playing side . To me , the important bit which some seem to just sketch over like it’s secondary . It’s the primary reason we are all fans , but we have just given CN and others that responsibility .
He , nor BW have any sort of knowledge and experience yet they are moulding the way we play , now and into the future .
It’s the ultimate ‘leap of faith’.
That’s the concern .
I’m not having a pop. I agree with much of what you say.
I’m trying to explain my concerns and why I struggle to just climb on board , like Matt has , when you add the cloak and dagger / arrogance towards us as fans at times. |
I don't like the term supporters because it suggests you'd support him through thick and thin, as I made clear in my post. As I say I don't like lumping people together. There are a range of opinions, it's not as polarized as that.
It's worth re-iterating why I want to give Nourry time because there are numerous posts sayng repeatedly why they don't like him. They are repeated on virtually every thread at great length. Also because some people have called for him to go which I think is premature; why should I not explain my reasoning.
I don't know all the technicalities about playing models. It makes sense to me that should be some sort of progression across the levels. Do we know for a fact that this was done without any consultation with the many highly experienced coaches across the club? Is it so rigid that Stephan cannot ever vary from it? I would say no any more than his strongly resisted counter to the suggestion he doesn't pick the team - a claim made several times on here.
There may be some people who back Nourry whatever. There are far more that counter some very limited praise with criticisms, rehearsing the same points endlessly. Of course that is their right but you cannot claim it's a balanced debate in terms of sheer volume of posts.
I don't want to see so much negativity so early in the season because it's contagious. I think last season our support massively contributed to us staying up. I'd hate that to reverse before we've given this squad and manager a chance.
I may be naive and blind by wanting to prioritise the positives over the negatives. I hope not. |  | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 18:35 - Sep 5 with 2687 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Fair as ever, Nix. |  |
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| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 19:13 - Sep 5 with 2581 views | EuroRanger |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 18:21 - Sep 5 by nix |
I don't like the term supporters because it suggests you'd support him through thick and thin, as I made clear in my post. As I say I don't like lumping people together. There are a range of opinions, it's not as polarized as that.
It's worth re-iterating why I want to give Nourry time because there are numerous posts sayng repeatedly why they don't like him. They are repeated on virtually every thread at great length. Also because some people have called for him to go which I think is premature; why should I not explain my reasoning.
I don't know all the technicalities about playing models. It makes sense to me that should be some sort of progression across the levels. Do we know for a fact that this was done without any consultation with the many highly experienced coaches across the club? Is it so rigid that Stephan cannot ever vary from it? I would say no any more than his strongly resisted counter to the suggestion he doesn't pick the team - a claim made several times on here.
There may be some people who back Nourry whatever. There are far more that counter some very limited praise with criticisms, rehearsing the same points endlessly. Of course that is their right but you cannot claim it's a balanced debate in terms of sheer volume of posts.
I don't want to see so much negativity so early in the season because it's contagious. I think last season our support massively contributed to us staying up. I'd hate that to reverse before we've given this squad and manager a chance.
I may be naive and blind by wanting to prioritise the positives over the negatives. I hope not. |
I think I'd echo this. I like some of what Nourry has done but I don't love his communication style and share some of the worries of people on this board that he may be in over his head.
However, I do find the negativity a little bit exhausting, and find myself defending him some in order to try and bring some positivity. I even feel a bit nervous doing that given that I'm a fairly new poster (long-time lurker) and so open to being accused of being a Nourry sock-puppet or something.
Loved the pod, wish it was possible to have them more often! Thought it was a civil debate and a good overall discussion. |  | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 19:15 - Sep 5 with 2574 views | kensalriser |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 16:07 - Sep 5 by TheChef |
What I've heard from someone who knows someone at the club.
One incident, may have been out of character, I don't know.
Either way, I'm not sure he's the best qualified person to look after the fitness of our players. |
Not really good form to be spreading personal slurs from a reported one off incident twice removed. Best to stick to discussing what we can see with our own eyes and not pass on what may be completely unsubstantiated. |  |
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| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 22:49 - Sep 5 with 2320 views | NewYorkRanger |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 15:24 - Sep 5 by BrianMcCarthy |
Enjoyable listen.
It's a shame that Matt Winton went overboard in his praise/defence of Nourry's suitability as DoF/CEO because I thought he lost all credibility and objectivity when he said that Nourry had more experience than Ferdinand.
I also thought it slightly insulting and patronising to suggest that the reaction of the Rangers support at Watford was down to the beliefs of a few influential fans. I think Rangers fans are more intelligent than that, They're not the blindly idolising sandal-wielding crowd from The Life of Brian.
Still, a calm and intelligent conversation.
Thanks to everyone involved. |
completely agree with this Brian. Really enjoyed the pod and I thought it was great to have Matt on there with some opposing views for discussion. But that bit really grated with me too. There is no way anyone could ever convince me that Nourry has/had more relevant experience than Les for a DOF role.
Whether he turns out to be more successful is a completely separate matter but sometimes you just have to call BS. |  |
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| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 23:27 - Sep 5 with 2261 views | mart_Goblin |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 18:21 - Sep 5 by nix |
I don't like the term supporters because it suggests you'd support him through thick and thin, as I made clear in my post. As I say I don't like lumping people together. There are a range of opinions, it's not as polarized as that.
It's worth re-iterating why I want to give Nourry time because there are numerous posts sayng repeatedly why they don't like him. They are repeated on virtually every thread at great length. Also because some people have called for him to go which I think is premature; why should I not explain my reasoning.
I don't know all the technicalities about playing models. It makes sense to me that should be some sort of progression across the levels. Do we know for a fact that this was done without any consultation with the many highly experienced coaches across the club? Is it so rigid that Stephan cannot ever vary from it? I would say no any more than his strongly resisted counter to the suggestion he doesn't pick the team - a claim made several times on here.
There may be some people who back Nourry whatever. There are far more that counter some very limited praise with criticisms, rehearsing the same points endlessly. Of course that is their right but you cannot claim it's a balanced debate in terms of sheer volume of posts.
I don't want to see so much negativity so early in the season because it's contagious. I think last season our support massively contributed to us staying up. I'd hate that to reverse before we've given this squad and manager a chance.
I may be naive and blind by wanting to prioritise the positives over the negatives. I hope not. |
All fair enough .
Also agree that it’s getting tiring .
Will take heed and as I said , Matt made me think about my own negativity going forward .
But one last thing .
Just because some claims and notions are unsubstantiated and unproven …doesn’t always mean they are untrue or unfounded.
Time for myself to take a break from the Nourry discussion I think . |  | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 00:00 - Sep 6 with 2188 views | oldmeadoniansR |
Credit to you all. This is an excellent thread. Reasoned, reasonable and understanding. | | | |
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| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 02:01 - Sep 6 with 2083 views | numptydumpty |
It's quite strange that a great deal of the pod and a great deal of this debate on here, has been about the influence CN has on the entire squad and also, a lot of focus also on BW too. Surprisingly, its almost seen as Julien Stephan, is being seen as an irrelevance - i know the quote bibs and cones man has been lauded on here, a great deal.
And yes accusations by some, he is not the main man when it comes to team selection etc. It's very early days this season and also very early days for JS too.
I would like to put a couple of examples out there to suggest to some, JS is not just the bibs and cones man.
I, personally dont agree with Walsh being selected over Nardi, and some have implicated that this choice was made, before JS arrived and he has had no influence on this choice. As has also been pointed out Nardi was with Rennes with JS also. But its pure idle speculation, to suggest JS has had zero input on this. Rumours that Dieng was chased in last few days of the window, whether that's simply journalistic license to add to the debate over this, possibly, because again, this made no sense.
Regarding JS and team selection, I think this has arisen because of the goalkeeping debate and the team selected for the cup game at Plymouth. My own personal view with no evidence, that particular game, I believe was being used to give young ones a run out. I don't think JS was given the remit for that game at all, but for league games, I absolutely do. Shown by Paul Furlong being in the dug out.
The Coventry game was a case in point. Field and Cook were given opportunities, Morgan also. All had poor games like most of our team and weren't selected for Charlton.
The tactics changed in the Charlton game when Burrell came on, and with Kone we went two up top. In the game, we changed our philosophy and the substitutes really worked. If anyone is suggesting that CN was communicating with JS to change the strategy and personnel was CN' s decision because JS was just the glorified bibs and cones man - well I personally dont think that.
Evidence also, by way that the players went over and celebrated noticeably with the manager at the goals and the win. This wasn't directed at Marti when he was in charge. And we lost loads last season early too.
I think a lot of the rhetoric dismissing JS so far on here, has been because of the fans forum. I think as a communicator to fans, that's not a skill CN has a great deal of and some of his waffle, he ties himself up in knots. But behind the scenes, i think there is a lot he is getting right, but the forum wasn't the greatest spectacle and I think CN and BW did not do themselves many favours. Maybe, it was nerves or otherwise, and i do appreciate the look for JS there was that he could have been seen as secondary, but I just believe that the forum was mis managed a lot and the message got lost a lot.
Clearly JS has control over change of tactics and selection as he did so, during the Charlton game. I think too much on here, has been made about formations. JS would have had less to say at the forum, he hadnt even managed a competitive match here at that stage.
For example, we changed completely with building from the back to a much more obvious pump up field. Changes were made in selection, shape and tactics also and then adapted to change the direction of the game. Am certain that was all JS 's call.
He is assessing his squad and team and how to get results. If Nourry thinks differently, he was definitely overruled.
I think Nourry said there was no DoF, but recruitment has been achieved led by Belk and both Nourry and Stephan have been involved with this also in negotiations with players and agents attempting to sell the club to them.
The comment in the pod about Nourry better suited to his role than Ferdinand is about the whole structure of the club, not just a feel for footballers ie under Ferdinand, the youth structure was lauded but it never worked and we had players such as Hamaleinen, Kakay, Drewe, Shodipo, Oteh that were never truly at championship level but not moved on for years, thus wasting squad places.
So far players been sold at the right times. Dykes, Kelman and Armstrong would possibly have stayed under Les's reign and then decreased in value.
We would, I feel have sold Dieng, Dickie, Willock at more appropriate times and I also think negotiating players such as Taylor Richards out of the club and removing players such as Dixon Bonner from the squad are other key indicators that the overall role of Nourry is more suited to him than Les was as a pure football man. Again Murphy being moved on, suggests a more ruthless approach.
Les did have his successes. We managed to stay in this league and he had to totally change the wage structure and dynamics of the club which over a period of time, he certainly managed. But we weren't ever going to be much better than 18th in the championship.
Marti was very well regarded here and liked and myself I myself was peed off with the gardening leave scenario but looking back, Cifuentes is an ambitious man and seen as the opportunity he now has to work at a higher level, shows this.
Perhaps Nourry already knew this and has brought in Stephan.
But I think its disingenuous to suggest Stephan has no influence is harsh. We changed tactics and selection at games. First few games are for him to work out the right ways of using this squad. It was exactly the same with Cifuentes.
I actually think there is less pessimism from most on here, in that we are not going down and more optimism that we could achieve at least a mid table position and you can see there is a plan.
I totally am massively against idiots on X being personally abusive to Clive and others that's bang out of order and not good in anyways. But I do agree that there is a bit too much anti Nourry rhetoric and a belief that Stephan is more or less a puppet.
I dont agree Stephan is a puppet at all. I appreciate what Chair said before his injury was that Stephan was getting to think about the game in a much more different way and his training methods and ideas, he said were the best he has experienced so far in his career. I appreciate many may say he has been instructed to say that, but let's just see where this goes.
But yes I do feel there does need to be a more balanced debate.
Nourry is not a dictator. There are some things that are in place now that look promising. And Stephan is his own man and clearly there are indicators of that.
It's been at times a bit cackhanded in terms of communications from the club, but its not as bad as many on here suggest.
It's very difficult not to overreact to an awful result at Coventry but having had time to reflect i hope most can see the club are definitely trying and have interesting ideas. Let's see if they can implement them over time and give them a fair chance.
We didn't win at home until game ten last year and the last three seasons we have had at times an air of a relegated team. There are players of undoubted promise and ones that could be seen to have more appropriate skills for this league. That was a mistake made last year and seemingly learned from.
That's good as it shows a willingness to learn from mistakes.
I am hopeful but not coming from a position of blind faith. Just that I think the overall perspective is that there are more reasons to like than dislike. [Post edited 6 Sep 2:13]
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| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 08:32 - Sep 6 with 1824 views | BristolR |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 02:01 - Sep 6 by numptydumpty |
It's quite strange that a great deal of the pod and a great deal of this debate on here, has been about the influence CN has on the entire squad and also, a lot of focus also on BW too. Surprisingly, its almost seen as Julien Stephan, is being seen as an irrelevance - i know the quote bibs and cones man has been lauded on here, a great deal.
And yes accusations by some, he is not the main man when it comes to team selection etc. It's very early days this season and also very early days for JS too.
I would like to put a couple of examples out there to suggest to some, JS is not just the bibs and cones man.
I, personally dont agree with Walsh being selected over Nardi, and some have implicated that this choice was made, before JS arrived and he has had no influence on this choice. As has also been pointed out Nardi was with Rennes with JS also. But its pure idle speculation, to suggest JS has had zero input on this. Rumours that Dieng was chased in last few days of the window, whether that's simply journalistic license to add to the debate over this, possibly, because again, this made no sense.
Regarding JS and team selection, I think this has arisen because of the goalkeeping debate and the team selected for the cup game at Plymouth. My own personal view with no evidence, that particular game, I believe was being used to give young ones a run out. I don't think JS was given the remit for that game at all, but for league games, I absolutely do. Shown by Paul Furlong being in the dug out.
The Coventry game was a case in point. Field and Cook were given opportunities, Morgan also. All had poor games like most of our team and weren't selected for Charlton.
The tactics changed in the Charlton game when Burrell came on, and with Kone we went two up top. In the game, we changed our philosophy and the substitutes really worked. If anyone is suggesting that CN was communicating with JS to change the strategy and personnel was CN' s decision because JS was just the glorified bibs and cones man - well I personally dont think that.
Evidence also, by way that the players went over and celebrated noticeably with the manager at the goals and the win. This wasn't directed at Marti when he was in charge. And we lost loads last season early too.
I think a lot of the rhetoric dismissing JS so far on here, has been because of the fans forum. I think as a communicator to fans, that's not a skill CN has a great deal of and some of his waffle, he ties himself up in knots. But behind the scenes, i think there is a lot he is getting right, but the forum wasn't the greatest spectacle and I think CN and BW did not do themselves many favours. Maybe, it was nerves or otherwise, and i do appreciate the look for JS there was that he could have been seen as secondary, but I just believe that the forum was mis managed a lot and the message got lost a lot.
Clearly JS has control over change of tactics and selection as he did so, during the Charlton game. I think too much on here, has been made about formations. JS would have had less to say at the forum, he hadnt even managed a competitive match here at that stage.
For example, we changed completely with building from the back to a much more obvious pump up field. Changes were made in selection, shape and tactics also and then adapted to change the direction of the game. Am certain that was all JS 's call.
He is assessing his squad and team and how to get results. If Nourry thinks differently, he was definitely overruled.
I think Nourry said there was no DoF, but recruitment has been achieved led by Belk and both Nourry and Stephan have been involved with this also in negotiations with players and agents attempting to sell the club to them.
The comment in the pod about Nourry better suited to his role than Ferdinand is about the whole structure of the club, not just a feel for footballers ie under Ferdinand, the youth structure was lauded but it never worked and we had players such as Hamaleinen, Kakay, Drewe, Shodipo, Oteh that were never truly at championship level but not moved on for years, thus wasting squad places.
So far players been sold at the right times. Dykes, Kelman and Armstrong would possibly have stayed under Les's reign and then decreased in value.
We would, I feel have sold Dieng, Dickie, Willock at more appropriate times and I also think negotiating players such as Taylor Richards out of the club and removing players such as Dixon Bonner from the squad are other key indicators that the overall role of Nourry is more suited to him than Les was as a pure football man. Again Murphy being moved on, suggests a more ruthless approach.
Les did have his successes. We managed to stay in this league and he had to totally change the wage structure and dynamics of the club which over a period of time, he certainly managed. But we weren't ever going to be much better than 18th in the championship.
Marti was very well regarded here and liked and myself I myself was peed off with the gardening leave scenario but looking back, Cifuentes is an ambitious man and seen as the opportunity he now has to work at a higher level, shows this.
Perhaps Nourry already knew this and has brought in Stephan.
But I think its disingenuous to suggest Stephan has no influence is harsh. We changed tactics and selection at games. First few games are for him to work out the right ways of using this squad. It was exactly the same with Cifuentes.
I actually think there is less pessimism from most on here, in that we are not going down and more optimism that we could achieve at least a mid table position and you can see there is a plan.
I totally am massively against idiots on X being personally abusive to Clive and others that's bang out of order and not good in anyways. But I do agree that there is a bit too much anti Nourry rhetoric and a belief that Stephan is more or less a puppet.
I dont agree Stephan is a puppet at all. I appreciate what Chair said before his injury was that Stephan was getting to think about the game in a much more different way and his training methods and ideas, he said were the best he has experienced so far in his career. I appreciate many may say he has been instructed to say that, but let's just see where this goes.
But yes I do feel there does need to be a more balanced debate.
Nourry is not a dictator. There are some things that are in place now that look promising. And Stephan is his own man and clearly there are indicators of that.
It's been at times a bit cackhanded in terms of communications from the club, but its not as bad as many on here suggest.
It's very difficult not to overreact to an awful result at Coventry but having had time to reflect i hope most can see the club are definitely trying and have interesting ideas. Let's see if they can implement them over time and give them a fair chance.
We didn't win at home until game ten last year and the last three seasons we have had at times an air of a relegated team. There are players of undoubted promise and ones that could be seen to have more appropriate skills for this league. That was a mistake made last year and seemingly learned from.
That's good as it shows a willingness to learn from mistakes.
I am hopeful but not coming from a position of blind faith. Just that I think the overall perspective is that there are more reasons to like than dislike. [Post edited 6 Sep 2:13]
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Good post numpty, tend to agree with all of that.
Wrexham will be fascinating |  | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 08:58 - Sep 6 with 1773 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 08:32 - Sep 6 by BristolR |
Good post numpty, tend to agree with all of that.
Wrexham will be fascinating |
Fair play for having the stamina to read it. |  | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 09:05 - Sep 6 with 1752 views | GroveR |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 02:01 - Sep 6 by numptydumpty |
It's quite strange that a great deal of the pod and a great deal of this debate on here, has been about the influence CN has on the entire squad and also, a lot of focus also on BW too. Surprisingly, its almost seen as Julien Stephan, is being seen as an irrelevance - i know the quote bibs and cones man has been lauded on here, a great deal.
And yes accusations by some, he is not the main man when it comes to team selection etc. It's very early days this season and also very early days for JS too.
I would like to put a couple of examples out there to suggest to some, JS is not just the bibs and cones man.
I, personally dont agree with Walsh being selected over Nardi, and some have implicated that this choice was made, before JS arrived and he has had no influence on this choice. As has also been pointed out Nardi was with Rennes with JS also. But its pure idle speculation, to suggest JS has had zero input on this. Rumours that Dieng was chased in last few days of the window, whether that's simply journalistic license to add to the debate over this, possibly, because again, this made no sense.
Regarding JS and team selection, I think this has arisen because of the goalkeeping debate and the team selected for the cup game at Plymouth. My own personal view with no evidence, that particular game, I believe was being used to give young ones a run out. I don't think JS was given the remit for that game at all, but for league games, I absolutely do. Shown by Paul Furlong being in the dug out.
The Coventry game was a case in point. Field and Cook were given opportunities, Morgan also. All had poor games like most of our team and weren't selected for Charlton.
The tactics changed in the Charlton game when Burrell came on, and with Kone we went two up top. In the game, we changed our philosophy and the substitutes really worked. If anyone is suggesting that CN was communicating with JS to change the strategy and personnel was CN' s decision because JS was just the glorified bibs and cones man - well I personally dont think that.
Evidence also, by way that the players went over and celebrated noticeably with the manager at the goals and the win. This wasn't directed at Marti when he was in charge. And we lost loads last season early too.
I think a lot of the rhetoric dismissing JS so far on here, has been because of the fans forum. I think as a communicator to fans, that's not a skill CN has a great deal of and some of his waffle, he ties himself up in knots. But behind the scenes, i think there is a lot he is getting right, but the forum wasn't the greatest spectacle and I think CN and BW did not do themselves many favours. Maybe, it was nerves or otherwise, and i do appreciate the look for JS there was that he could have been seen as secondary, but I just believe that the forum was mis managed a lot and the message got lost a lot.
Clearly JS has control over change of tactics and selection as he did so, during the Charlton game. I think too much on here, has been made about formations. JS would have had less to say at the forum, he hadnt even managed a competitive match here at that stage.
For example, we changed completely with building from the back to a much more obvious pump up field. Changes were made in selection, shape and tactics also and then adapted to change the direction of the game. Am certain that was all JS 's call.
He is assessing his squad and team and how to get results. If Nourry thinks differently, he was definitely overruled.
I think Nourry said there was no DoF, but recruitment has been achieved led by Belk and both Nourry and Stephan have been involved with this also in negotiations with players and agents attempting to sell the club to them.
The comment in the pod about Nourry better suited to his role than Ferdinand is about the whole structure of the club, not just a feel for footballers ie under Ferdinand, the youth structure was lauded but it never worked and we had players such as Hamaleinen, Kakay, Drewe, Shodipo, Oteh that were never truly at championship level but not moved on for years, thus wasting squad places.
So far players been sold at the right times. Dykes, Kelman and Armstrong would possibly have stayed under Les's reign and then decreased in value.
We would, I feel have sold Dieng, Dickie, Willock at more appropriate times and I also think negotiating players such as Taylor Richards out of the club and removing players such as Dixon Bonner from the squad are other key indicators that the overall role of Nourry is more suited to him than Les was as a pure football man. Again Murphy being moved on, suggests a more ruthless approach.
Les did have his successes. We managed to stay in this league and he had to totally change the wage structure and dynamics of the club which over a period of time, he certainly managed. But we weren't ever going to be much better than 18th in the championship.
Marti was very well regarded here and liked and myself I myself was peed off with the gardening leave scenario but looking back, Cifuentes is an ambitious man and seen as the opportunity he now has to work at a higher level, shows this.
Perhaps Nourry already knew this and has brought in Stephan.
But I think its disingenuous to suggest Stephan has no influence is harsh. We changed tactics and selection at games. First few games are for him to work out the right ways of using this squad. It was exactly the same with Cifuentes.
I actually think there is less pessimism from most on here, in that we are not going down and more optimism that we could achieve at least a mid table position and you can see there is a plan.
I totally am massively against idiots on X being personally abusive to Clive and others that's bang out of order and not good in anyways. But I do agree that there is a bit too much anti Nourry rhetoric and a belief that Stephan is more or less a puppet.
I dont agree Stephan is a puppet at all. I appreciate what Chair said before his injury was that Stephan was getting to think about the game in a much more different way and his training methods and ideas, he said were the best he has experienced so far in his career. I appreciate many may say he has been instructed to say that, but let's just see where this goes.
But yes I do feel there does need to be a more balanced debate.
Nourry is not a dictator. There are some things that are in place now that look promising. And Stephan is his own man and clearly there are indicators of that.
It's been at times a bit cackhanded in terms of communications from the club, but its not as bad as many on here suggest.
It's very difficult not to overreact to an awful result at Coventry but having had time to reflect i hope most can see the club are definitely trying and have interesting ideas. Let's see if they can implement them over time and give them a fair chance.
We didn't win at home until game ten last year and the last three seasons we have had at times an air of a relegated team. There are players of undoubted promise and ones that could be seen to have more appropriate skills for this league. That was a mistake made last year and seemingly learned from.
That's good as it shows a willingness to learn from mistakes.
I am hopeful but not coming from a position of blind faith. Just that I think the overall perspective is that there are more reasons to like than dislike. [Post edited 6 Sep 2:13]
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Great post but think its disingenuous to suggest not selling Dieng, Dickie and Willock was down to Les when he's said it was the owners decision. |  | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 20:11 - Sep 6 with 1193 views | NW5Hoop |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 16:07 - Sep 5 by TheChef |
What I've heard from someone who knows someone at the club.
One incident, may have been out of character, I don't know.
Either way, I'm not sure he's the best qualified person to look after the fitness of our players. |
One incident, reported back by someone who knows someone, is a very long way from "by all accounts". It's "by one secondhand account". | | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 22:15 - Sep 6 with 1075 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 19:15 - Sep 5 by kensalriser |
Not really good form to be spreading personal slurs from a reported one off incident twice removed. Best to stick to discussing what we can see with our own eyes and not pass on what may be completely unsubstantiated. |
I’ve heard it from two separate people who work at the club if that gives it any more credence. | | | |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 22:51 - Sep 6 with 1008 views | numptydumpty |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 22:15 - Sep 6 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I’ve heard it from two separate people who work at the club if that gives it any more credence. |
Think you on the wind up sir.
Heard what exactly...... | |
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| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 23:02 - Sep 6 with 983 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Summer Transfer Window - Patreon Podcast on 22:51 - Sep 6 by numptydumpty |
Think you on the wind up sir.
Heard what exactly...... |
I'm really not. | | | |
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